Deputies Union Poisons Shooting Review

February 17, 2012 - By admin

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FEB. 17, 2012

By STEVEN GREENHUT

Whenever I write about police shootings, police and union officials always mouth the same line: You, in the public and the media, have no right to jump to conclusions about the split-second decisions deputies make until you know all the facts. The cops then refuse to release any details of the shooting and eventually produce a one-sided report, which doesn’t have to even be released to the public because it is exempt from the public records act. By then, the public and media are on to other things and the deputy who killed the person is back in the job after a few months of additional paid vacation.

Yet throughout the period when the public is supposed to be silent, the police union busies itself poisoning the well and releasing information that benefits its own members. This is from the Los Angeles Times today regarding a tragic shooting by an Orange County deputy sheriff of a Camp Pendleton Marine, Sgt. Manuel Loggins, while the Marine’s children were in the back of his vehicle:

“Camp Pendleton’s commanding officer said he is displeased with the ‘incorrect and deeply hurtful’ comments made about a Marine sergeant who was fatally shot by an Orange County sheriff’s deputy in a dark high school parking lot.

“‘While I am confident they will do the right thing in the end, I am less than satisfied with the official response from the city of San Clemente and Orange County,’ Col. Nicholas Marano said in a written statement Thursday.

“‘Many of the statements made concerning Manny Loggins’ character over the past few days are incorrect and deeply hurtful to an already grieving family,’ he added.

“The union representing Orange County sheriff’s deputies issued a statement this week saying that Sgt. Manuel Loggins contributed to his own death. He was shot during the predawn hours Feb. 7 by a deputy in the parking lot of San Clemente High School after allegedly yelling ‘irrational statements,’ the union said.”

Thuggish Union

So the OC deputies union, which in my experience covering Orange County, is a particularly thuggish organization, is busy trashing a man and wrecking his character in order to protect the deputy who killed him. The public is deprived of a chance to learn what really happened. Fortunately, the Marine’s family is being defended by Pendleton’s commanding officer, but in most police shootings, there are no high level officials to question the police action. The public always assumes that the person the deputy killed deserved his fate.

In this situation, statements from the union continue to change, as often is the case. In many shootings I’ve written about, the police officials continue to retell the story — with each retelling more closely mirroring the version that protects the officer at issue. It always ends up with the “perfect storm” in which the deputy had not other choice but to kill the person in question. In other cases, such as the beating death of a Fullerton homeless man by a group of Fullerton police officers, the police spokesman (also a union official) let out misinformation about the homeless man in a clear attempt to make the public believe that the guy got what was coming to him. Some Fullerton officers have been indicted in that horrific beating death.

In the Fullerton case, the police officers were allowed by officials at the department to watch a video of the beating and then get their stories straight before going on the record. Meanwhile, the public was denied the chance to see the video and the Fullerton cops even confiscated the video of a bystander who was recording what was happening. In New York, cops obstructed justice and loudly protested  at a trial where their members were accused of corruption, the latest reminder that police and their unions will stand up even for the most degenerate members of their fraternity.

Secrecy Continues

While former Orange County Sheriff Mike Carona spends time in jail after being convicted of federal corruption charges, the new sheriff, Sandra Hutchens, seems to be following in Carona’s secrecy footsteps. She has refused to release the name of the deputy who shot to death the Marine. In the past, she expressed shock and outrage after some of her deputies where accused by the DA of lying to protect one of their brethren accused of torturing a handcuffed man with a Taser. She wasn’t outraged at the behavior of her people, but at the audacity of the DA for referring to a well-known Code of Silence within the department. Forget about reform in these circumstances.

Forget also about what’s really needed — a review of use of force policies, a new more humane policing model, further open records so that the public gets to learn about how government employees operate, especially those with life-and-death power. Given that unions and police leadership always defend their own, it’s no surprise that instances of police abuse grow. There’s no accountability and the average deputy or union activists knows that sheriffs like Hutchens will defend them against real accountability.

As deputies and their defenders trash a dead man and his family, you can be sure they will complain loudly at anyone who jumps to any conclusions about whether the deputy acted appropriately. You can be sure that because of the power of the police unions in the Legislature, and a state Supreme Court case that locks down disciplinary records of misbehaving deputies and police officers, that we will never learn the truth about what happened and that more such events will happen in the future.

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  1. Nancy Lewis says:

    Thank you again for your story about how our police union works. I sat through 10 days of evidence in the shooting death of Joey Pinasco, and listened to the sheriff that investagated the shooting. This sheriff was CHP for years before he became sheriff. And the lead investigator from the Justice Department was a CHP before he began working for the Justice Department. In the trial the attorney asked why this investigator had been demoted after the Joey shooting and the judge made him answer. And he said he was demoted because he gave the answers to a test to a cadet. He has retired with pension. The jury found CHP Steve Coffman and CHP Michael Walling guilty of wrongful death, battery and excessive use of force. In the Stockton Record the story mentioned that CHP Walling had been promoted to sargent. CHP waliing broke his leg in 2008 kicking another young man in the ribs that was hand cuffed and tazed.
    I wish you could read the transcripts from Joey’s trial. It was plain to the jury that these 2 CHP murdered Joey. How can we have them still on the force with these charges. If they hurt someone else what is the liabilty to have them working? That we as citizens pay.
    Thank you,
    Nancy

  2. notpo says:

    Thanks for this post. We need to hear the facts again and again.

  3. Nancy Lewis says:

    If your notpo, why don’t you use your name?

  4. Randall May says:

    The corruption of law enforcement in Orange County, California is unbelievable. I can accept a few rotten apples but when leadership at all levels covers up, it is beyond belief. If you ever have any dealings with the Orange Police Department, run. It looks like that whole nest is corrupt.

  5. Rex The Wonder Dog! says:

    Sheriffs and cops and GED dorks for the most part who would never, not in amillon years, be hired on OBJECTIVE testing. The ONLY reason 90% these dorks are in their jobs is through cronyism and nepotism.

  6. Chucksters says:

    Allowing police and firefighters to become unionized is wrong. Actually any public union is wrong and un-American. Unions need to be outlawed.

    In the last 15 years or so, all police have become much more “proactive”. They are willing to step out of bounds much sooner than they ever did in the past. Their old slogan “Protect and Serve” have long been corrupted.

    After this tradgey with the Marine, the cops better watch their steps.

  7. NTHEOC says:

    Chucksters says:
    Allowing police and firefighters to become unionized is wrong. Actually any public union is wrong and un-American. Unions need to be outlawed.
    ==================
    Why Chuckster? Explain….

    After this tradgey with the Marine, the cops better watch their steps.
    ==================
    Which Marine Chuckster? The cop is former marine!!!

  8. Rex The Wonder Dog! says:

    Because there is no need for a public union, civil service has more protection than the private sector. eliminating the need for a union. BUT if they do want a union fine, just stop them from bribing officials who pay them.

    All cops are former marines/army/military, they get preferential treatment in the hiring phase, how else can you account for GED applicants being hired over someone with a 4 year college degree?

  9. NTHEOC says:

    Rex, When the private sector big business and corporate fat cats stop bribing officials then I would agree to not support unions from doing the same. Fair enough? The only difference is the corporate bigwig slobs make all the money from their crooked deals of obtaining govt contracts,etc. And then rape the workers!!!!! Thank god we have a union to not allow the same…..

  10. Beelzebub says:

    I suspect that Colonel Marano has inside information about what happened during the early morning hours of Feb 7 – otherwise he certainly would not have refuted the statement made by AOCDS (deputy’s union). For a Marine Base Commander to call BS on the AOCDS the good Colonel must have had the utmost confidence in his public response. In fact, he probably had to clear it though D.C. first and that’s no easy task. Chances are good that the Colonel has spoken directly to the Loggins family and to the Loggin’s daughters who were eyewitnesses to the event. Once the family overcomes the initial shock and grief of losing their husband and father hopefully we will get their statement of fact too that will close the gaping holes and inconsistencies left by the OCSD. Listen, when a LE agency and it’s deputies change their versions of the officer involved shooting THREE TIMES in the course of THREE DAYS – you know something stinks. By this time we should already know whether there were any videos (dashcam or otherwise) or voice recordings of the incident. There is no reason why OCSD should withhold such information unless they are circling the wagons.

    Based on OCSD’s track record of deceit and abuse on the street for the last 5 years, Colonel Marano’s word is a good as gold with me!

    And where is Sheriff Hutchens? She’s been called out by the local newspapers and by the Base Commander of one of the largest Marine installations in the nation. I thought Hutchens was supposed to be the new ‘change agent’ at OCSD? At least that’s how she described herself when she interviewed for the sheriff’s job about 3 years ago. Where is she? Hiding under her executive desk? Step up to the damn plate and be a leader, Sandy! Don’t be a coward! Stop avoiding the media and the citizens of Orange County! Earn your pay grade!

    AOCDS shot off their mouths without addressing the 4 burning questions:

    1. If Sgt Loggins acted as irrational and as crazy as AOCDS claimed – why did the 3-4 deputies on the scene permit Sgt. Loggins to get back into his vehicle with his children after he walked away for 5 minutes?

    2. If the children were as scared as the deputies claimed why didn’t the cops remove them from Sgt. Loggins’ vehicle and put them in a patrol unit for their own safety when they had that opportunity?

    3. Why didn’t the deputies maneuver their patrol units to contain and block Sgt. Loggins’ stationary vehicle from moving?

    4. If the deputy feared for the life of the children as he shot and killed Sgt. Loggins, why would he fire live rounds into a moving vehicle where the children sat, therby placing the children into potential life threatening danger?

    The AOCDS cops must be some real brave hombres to take cheap shots at a dead Marine sergeant and his family. Why don’t you boy grow some hair down there and answer those 4 burning questions?

    Based upon the sketchy information released so far I can only surmise that OCSD set Sgt. Loggins up to die.

    As I’ve noted before….SECRECY is their foremost ally. Without the SECRECY their entire sham would fall apart at the seams.

  11. Beelzebub says:

    “When the private sector big business and corporate fat cats stop bribing officials then I would agree to not support unions from doing the same”

    You should condemn all bribery equally. Whether Wall Street or the public unions pay bribes to officials for favored treatment – both are equally wrong. So Wall Street must stop paying bribes before you would condemn the public unions for doing the same? :D Why can’t you condemn both simultaneously? Let me quess. Are your salary and benefits dependent upon corrupted union practices? :D

  12. Justice League says:

    Beelzebu – you are 100% correct. My husband and I were discussing this yesterday in great detail and we asked the same questions. We questioned why this officer is at a high school at 4:30 in the morning “doing paperwork.” We questioned how there just happened to be four other deputies responding so swiftly at 4:30 in the morning near a high school. We questioned why on earth anyone would shoot into a car with two children in it and then claim they were concerned about those same children’s safety. We questioned why this deputy didn’t remove the children from the vehicle for their alleged safety. We questioned why these same deputies didn’t just disable the car, too. The fact that the video evidence is nowhere to be found is just evidence of a coverup. The story has changed three times and the unarmed marine in an expensive vehicle is suddenly to blame because he “wouldn’t stop.” I might not have stopped either.

    We have a few thoughts on what might have really happened – Yes, the girls were screaming, but I don’t believe for a minute that the girls were afraid of their father – they were probably screaming because the deputy was there with a gun and they were afraid for their lives.
    What did this father happen upon when he went to the school? Maybe he did crash a gate – although we haven’t seen the front end of the car with the alleged pieces of the gate still attached. Perhaps he was being pursued by the police and was trying to escape from them.
    If he got out of his vehicle at all – which I really am doubting that he did – why would he leave his girls in the car when the police are there supposedly telling him to “obey” ?

    And, dare I say it (because I hate this possibility) – but is it just possible that a physically fit black man in an expensive SUV in San Clemente in the early hours of the morning is an automatic suspect and a threat? Uh, perhaps he was suspected of being black in a beach community and these officers routinely detain anyone who fits their profile of “suspicious.” Really, the fact that the name of this killer sheriff hasn’t been released and details about who he is have been withheld is beyond comprehension – unless you really have something to hide.

    As for the union – since when does a sheriff’s union give statements about the “facts” of any case? Their job is not to “investigate.” The union exists primarily to protect the employment rights of employees with regard to their salaries, benefits, fair treatment, and work conditions. The union leadership is completely out of line to offer up any sort of theory on what happened, let alone state that they have the “facts.” They are not a legal entity charged with the responsibility of investigation of any police activity. Has anyone even questioned the fact that they are actually issuing official statements about what happened in this criminal shooting?

    I truly in my heart believe that this marine was potentially trying to flee from the police because he was being threatened and feared for his and his daughter’s safety. I just don’t buy that this guy was ignoring the police officer, walking away and disappearing for “five” minutes, then reappearing and getting into his vehicle in some sort of trance – all the while ignoring the concerned police officer. So of course the right thing to do is to just shoot him dead. It’s just ludicrous. And that’s why I am suspicious of what it is that this father actually happened upon at that school that he had to be silenced.

    There is no defense of this – none. I hope that the truth is eventually discovered and that these officers are punished.

    Go on the state controller web site and take a look at what law enforcement officers make in communities in our state – usually twice their official salary ranges because of the overtime and other reimbursements they get. Law enforcement makes far more than what the public thinks. And they get retirement packages that are superior to any other public official. They make more than their bosses – more than the city managers and certainly more than the elected officials in these communities. Their incomes and benefits empower them to do all sorts of extravagant and self-indulgent things and they are now the bullies on the street. They carry the weapons and we will all submit whether we want to or not – or we will face the consequences. How do you supervise your police when they make more than you and carry guns?
    Who are the real criminals in this case?

  13. Rex The Wonder Dog! says:

    Rex, When the private sector big business and corporate fat cats stop bribing officials then I would agree to not support unions from doing the same

    Big Business were the ones whom originated the political bribe, and the public unions just followed their lead.

    No complaint from me, we MUST stop money flowing into government at all levels, including Big Business.

  14. Beelzebub says:

    I see that the killer cop has been identified. The hilarious part is that the SAN CLEMENTE PATCH published it after discovering his identity through confidential LE sources

    It would seem that the big newspapers would have the resources and connections to get information like that much faster than the SAN CLEMENTE PATCH? It’s disconcerting that a small one-horse town newspaper would beat the OC Register and the LA Times to the punch! Hmmm?

    I oftentimes wonder whether the big newspapers go out of their way to protect the cops and the larger establishment.

    For some odd reason I don’t think we ever have to worry about Matt Taibbi working for a mainstream newspaper as an investigative reporter. He’s too damn good.

  15. Rex The Wonder Dog! says:

    Beels, I am POSITITVE the LAT and OCR and other large papers had the info, but sat on it for privacy reasons. It is funny, you get arrested and the dorks in LE will plasters your name AND PIC all over the news, but the “other” set f rules applies to cops.

    Two sets of laws and rules in America today-one for gov and their supporters (the 1%) and then another set for everyone else.

  16. Rex The Wonder Dog! says:

    Justice League says:
    February 18, 2012 at 12:00 am
    Beelzebu – you are 100% correct. My husband and I were discussing this yesterday in great detail and we asked the same questions.

    JL, your ENTIRE post was a home run, it hit on every issue. Good job.

  17. Beelzebub says:

    “Beels, I am POSITITVE the LAT and OCR and other large papers had the info, but sat on it for privacy reasons”

    The issue has already been decided by the State appellate courts, rex. The 2nd District Court of Appeal ruled that the identities of killer cops are public under the California Public Records Act, absent a real and identifiable threat to the officer.

    Adam Townsend, the reporter at the San Clemente Patch who identified the killer cop, merely had the courage and professionalism to do his job, regardless if a few noses at the top got bent out of shape. A newspaper’s FIRST responsibility is to it’s readership. There was no reason, legal or otherwise, for the OC Register or the LA Times to withhold such information if they had it. My hat comes off for Adam Townsend for doing his job and promoting transparency in the press.

    When you get the chance go check out the killer cop’s photo at the San Clemente Patch with his baseball cap turned backwards. Bald-headed fatty with a cheesey smirk.

    I completely agree with Justice League that it was absolutely deplorable for the cop’s union to make a public statement about this matter which disparaged the deceased victim, Sgt. Loggins, and his grieving family with speculative claims of ‘fear for the children’s lives’ that any reasonable person would scoff at.

    As I said before – I believe that the cops set Sgt. Loggins up to die. They allowed him to reenter his vehicle and as soon as he put the car in gear Sgt. Loggins was shot dead by the killer cop. He was unarmed and did not attack the police. It appears his biggest mistake was being a black man in a white town and crossing paths with a ‘high strung’ cop who had an itchy finger.

    And there is every reason to believe that a cover-up is in progress here. At the very least we should have a right to know whether a video (dashcam or otherwise) and/or voice recordings of the incident exist.

    Meanwhile there are two young girls and a wife carrying an unborn child who have lost a father and a husband forever.

  18. Beelzebub says:

    “Two sets of laws and rules in America today-one for gov and their supporters (the 1%) and then another set for everyone else”

    Yep!

    I’ve said that repeatedly for the last 5 years.

    If an ordinary citizen shot a gang-banger during the commission of a crime the citizen would not be legally protected from being publicly identified by the media. So why should cops have those special protections?

    As I said before – if an ordinary citizen lied in court or wrote wrote a bad check to a bank for $200 he would be subject to a felony prosecution.

    But the banksters can commit document fraud, forgery, perjury (robosignings)and other acts of egregious financial fraud resulting in $trillions$ of dollars being sucked out of the global economy and not one is prosecuted.

    By and large, the banksters are protected by the media too. Complete silence.

  19. Rex The Wonder Dog! says:

    When you get the chance go check out the killer cop’s photo at the San Clemente Patch with his baseball cap turned backwards. Bald-headed fatty with a cheesey smirk.

    OK, I am ON IT!

    I PRAY and HOPE he doesn’t look as bad as this clown does though (for some reason this image is what I think ALL government employees look like-am I wrong to think this???O);

    http://www.latimes.com/media/photo/2012-01/67502899.jpg

  20. Rex The Wonder Dog! says:

    Just saw “Darryl Sandberg”-he looks like your typical GED educated, ex military cop who has the brain power of a circus chimp (and Fatty Rizzo’s little brother).

    When the hell is LE going to be FORCED to hire REAL people for these important civilian jobs, instead of the cronyism ex-military hacks that get them 100% of the time now.

    How can a GED Marine do this job better than a 4 year college educated intelligent citizen, who has EDUCTAED themselves and has far better reaosning and critical thinking skills?????

    And I have to laugh at dorks like Skippy who get hired with a GED and then over the next 30 years finally get a college degree on the taxpayers dime- taking one class a semester and then claim they are clooege grad’s!!!…… 25 years into the job.

  21. Beelzebub says:

    “Just saw “Darryl Sandberg”-he looks like your typical GED educated, ex military cop who has the brain power of a circus chimp (and Fatty Rizzo’s little brother)”

    In 2007 Sandberg made $141,458. About $83k in base pay, $5k in premium pay and $54k in OT. Screen for Deputy II and go to the top of Page 4:

    http://www.ocregister.com/articles/pay-214126-salaries-sheriff.html?data=1&appSession=992285933061080&RecordID=&PageID=2&PrevPageID=1&cpipage=4&CPISortType=&CPIorderBy=#article-data#article-data

    I wonder how much he was paid in 2011?

    At that salary and with 15 years experience a cop should have the brains not to fire live rounds into a moving vehicle at a target who was unarmed, was no threat to the police and was accompanied by his 2 daughters. You don’t have to attend a police academy to understand not to do that. Anyone with a lick of horse sense could figure that out. Apparently the ones who leaked his name to the Patch are LE officers. So it appears that his brother cops snitched him out. Hmmm. What does that tell you?

  22. Rex The Wonder Dog! says:

    $141K in pay, is OUTRAGEOUS. Add in another $100K in benefits.

    My Kaiser medical doctor, with 12 years of college and $500K in student loans makes $140K, less than this GED clown. There is simply NO REASON to be comping a gov employee that kind of money-NONE WHATSOEVER. They had a segment on “60 Minutes” tonight of the millions of people who have been unemployed for over 1 year, many were college educated (and many in this group had advanced certifications of various kinds) and over 40, cannot get re-hired anywhere (heck there ar eno jobs so is that any wonder??). Yet the government is handing out GED education jobs where the base pay is $83K???? And $100K in benefits??? WHAT COMPANY in AMERICA today gives out overtime that is 60% of your base pay?? Walmart does not EVEN ALLOW OVERTIME! I am not kidding, Walmart does NOT ALLOW OVERTIME!

    The gov employment scam, and their 10 times market rate compensation, is going to end, one way or another.

  23. Rex The Wonder Dog! says:

    Beelz, did you see the top pay for Deputy II??? Over $200K (BEFORE benefits-add in $100K in benefits and you have a $300K+ GED gov job), check out the top 5 Deputy II employees-they ALL work in the jails. Do you know what the jail deputies do?? They are baby sitters-nothing more. They sit around for 50 minutes (usually surfing the net or watchign TV), then 10 minutes out of the hour they do a “walk through” of the jail and make sure no one is dead, or they do a body count to make sure everyone is there. These jobs should pay a MAXIMUM of $50K per year-MAX, and even that would be generous. If this were a job in the real world you could find people to do these jobs- as good as or better- for $30K per year, I guarantee it.

    BTW-did you see JUMP the base pay salary from 2006 to 2007??? $77K to $83K in ONE YEAR, that is a 7% bump. Is it ANY WONDER we are bankrupt as a city/county/state??? NO WHERE in the private sector does a rank and file job get a 7% annual increase in base pay-especially joibs that have a GED education requirement, and this is ESPECIALLY true if the job has copious amounts of overtime built into it like these GED cop jobs do.

    Biggest scam ever, cop and FF jobs in the new world order.

  24. Beelzebub says:

    Of course it’s a scam, rex. They piss away your money by paying knuckle dragger cops as much as licensed medical doctors and when the well starts to run dry their solution is to rachet up your fees and taxes. If a private business paid it’s workers OT that amounted to 65% of their base salary it would make the company accountant’s head explode.

    Have you checked out the average physical condition of these donut-eating prima donnas? If I were chief I would refuse to put a fat pig in a patrol car. To work patrol I would require all cops be able to chase a crook for 50 yards and still have the energy to take him down and hook him up. Any cop who could not pass that test would be placed on immediate probation and removed from the street. It’s disgusting to see these patrol cops with big beer bellies hanging over their belts. There is no excuse for that.

  25. Rex The Wonder Dog! says:

    Have you checked out the average physical condition of these donut-eating prima donnas?

    I have seen deputies that worked the jails that were 150# or more overweight. Obese. At one time they passed the academy, which has a rigorous physical training regime, and it is hard to figure out how some of these GED dorks got so out of shape after academy training.

    And the overtime is absolutley ridiculous. No excuse for it at all. None. OT that is 50% and more of base salary??? That just doesn’t happen in the real world, NO WHERE does that happen. Like I said-Walmart does NOT even allow OT, not even 1 hour.

  26. Rex The Wonder Dog! says:

    BTW-care to comment on that 7% annual bump in salary, to an already grossly ove paid and over compensated GED employee????????

  27. Beelzebub says:

    “BTW-care to comment on that 7% annual bump in salary, to an already grossly ove paid and over compensated GED employee????????”

    Just more evidence that the taxpayers are being financially raped. The politicians hold us down while the cops have their way with us. To add insult to injury – the cops here lie and violate civil rights as much if not more than the cops down south of the border. You’d think paying them like medical doctors would buy us some integrity and character. But nope.

    Oh, btw, did you see that GED Joanne Galinsky made over $224k in 2007? :D

    What a farce.

  28. Rex The Wonder Dog! says:

    Oh, btw, did you see that GED Joanne Galinsky made over $224k in 2007?

    Beels, didn’t you hear, you cannot be promoted with just a GED, and becoming sheriff, out of the question ;) Come on, Skippy and his cronnies have told us that over and over and over again.

    And doesn’t Obama and everyone else tell us we need to “educate” ourselves, got to college, so we can get decent jobs, to “compete” in the marketplace!

  29. Rex The Wonder Dog! says:

    Joann Galinsky (and I did look her up, she was under Captains I think) getting promoted past Deputy I with just a GED shows how much of a farce and scam gov employment is.

    Claiming they have to offer $200K comp packages to get the “best and brightest” is the scam of the CENTURY!. Galinky would have a hard time being hired at Walmart in real life. And that my frienbd is the honest to gods truth.

  30. Beelzebub says:

    “Joann Galinsky (and I did look her up, she was under Captains I think) getting promoted past Deputy I with just a GED shows how much of a farce and scam gov employment is”

    Galinsky a captain??? You gave her a demotion, rex. She was actually an ASSISTANT SHERIFF.

    Yes, that is proof positive that the system they run is a complete farce. A GED making $224k a year in salary and OT – and another $100k-$150k in benefits.

    A GED controlling (at that time) a $800M budget!!! HAH! The highest grade of formal education that she completed was 9th grade for Christ Sakes!!! :D

    TOTAL FARCE!!!

  31. queeg says:

    How do make a living? The verbose on this site-

    Wore out from even scrolling this drivel!!!

  32. Rex The Wonder Dog! says:

    A GED controlling (at that time) a $800M budget!!! HAH! The highest grade of formal education that she completed was 9th grade for Christ Sakes!!!
    TOTAL FARCE!!!

    it is sad and pathetic, as pathetic as it can become.

    I forgot where I saw GED Galinsky at-I guess it was Asst. Sheriff.

    Can you tell me how a dork with a 9th grade education like Galinsky is **APPOINTED** (that is the ONLY way she could be named Sheriff) to the highest position in the OCSD-the actual Sheriff??

    Can you explain who the hell allowed that?????

    Oh, I forgot-like all gov jobs it has nothing to do with education or experience and everything to do with cronyism and nepotism, and being part of the ex military club.

  33. Beelzebub says:

    Galinsky apparently filed a wrongful termination and a discriminatory lawsuit against the County in May 2009 claiming that her rights as a lesbian were violated by OCSD.

    What I can’t understand is how was she a target of discrimination for being a lesbian if she was able to climb all the way to the top of OCSD with a GED diploma?

    The suit is 3 years old so we should hear something soon enough.

  34. Rex The Wonder Dog! says:

    What a JOKE! I did not now about the employment discrimination lawsuit, maybe that is why she was APPOINTED sheriff.

  35. Beelzebub says:

    Here’s your buddy, rex.

    Name: Waters, Allan J
    Title: Deputy Sheriff II
    Agency: Orange County Sheriff-Coroner
    Division: Laguna Niguel Police Svc.
    Hire date: 7/19/1996

    2007 BASE
    $82,818
    PREMIUM
    $3,916
    OVERTIME
    $33,623
    TOTAL
    $120,358

  36. Joel says:

    Who is Waters?

  37. Rex The Wonder Dog! says:

    Hahhaahah…Waters!!

    Isn’t he is the slammer??

  38. Beelzebub says:

    “Hahhaahah…Waters!!

    Isn’t he is the slammer??”

    Maybe Fullerton PD will hire him when he gets out! :D

  39. Beelzebub says:

    Mikadeit wrote a column (12/05/07) based on an interview with Galinsky after she took over as acting Sheriff entitled [Acting sheriff too loyal for own good?] It’s pretty funny. You oughta read it.

  40. Rex The Wonder Dog! says:

    Hey, do you have a link to the column about Galinsky????? I would like to read it.

  41. Beelzebub says:

    “Hey, do you have a link to the column about Galinsky????? I would like to read it”

    No link. I actually have a print copy of the column. I found it so funny that I kept it.

  42. Rex The Wonder Dog! says:

    I have been hunting for it-cannot find it. I did find the lawsuit claims on OCWeekly, very funny, The article really slams her, and speculates how she was promoted over HUNDREDS of other more qualified people to her supervisory role/s at the OCSD.

    The guy that wrote the article said it was hilarious because she misspelled T-racks name in the lawsuit 4 different times, while mentioning she has no college education at all!

  43. Rex The Wonder Dog! says:

    Beelz, I have told you and every one else who will listen, getting a gov JOB in the first place, and then getting promoted in that gov job, is always based on connections-nepotism and cronyism 99% of the time. That is how Jo Ann G was hired and promoted.

    That is why gov hiring and promotion is no longer done on actual TESTING. Tests are OBJECTIVE, you cannot game them. But “oral interviews” are 100% subjective and you can game them. That is why a military GED Dork with a DUI or some other criminal conviction under their belt can get hired into a LE job over a college grad with a squeaky clean record with no convictions. I guarantee you there are a number of OC sheriff deputies right now that have DUI and other misdemeanor convictions, and I can further guarantee you that there are thousands of college educated OCSD applicants with clean records that never made it past the interview process. Guarantee it.

  44. Beelzebub says:

    Oct 2011 a OCSD deputy was arrested for DUI in Costa Mesa. Driving on the wrong side of the road. Blew a 0.24 according to the news. 2nd DUI offense. Convicted in 2009. The latest news I read said that OCSD put him back on active duty following his arrest.

    If a corporate employee whose job description required the use of a company car got busted for ONE DUI, whether it was in the company car or a POV, he would be shown the door soley for liability purposes regardless of his job performance. I have seen it happen to more than a few corporate employees. Good workers were shown the door for ONE DUI. Most corporations automatically get an annual copy of the employee’s driving record through DMV so there is no way to hide it.

    Yet a cop with TWO DUIs and is allowed to remain on active duty. But if you have two beers and a glass of wine and drive home after a party that same cop can pull you over, write you up and possibly ruin your career.

    Amazing.

  45. Rex The Wonder Dog! says:

    I knew a clown who got hired with Immigration (ICE) and he had a recent DUI. No college, just ex-military and a DUI. Gets hired into a high salary/benefit LE job.

    A DUI is IMO the most serious misdemeanor criminal offenses there is- should be an AUTOMATIC dis-qualifier for any job in LE, ANY JOB. And if you get one while employed it should be a career ending offense. No room for drug offenses in LE. Of course that would end the careers of half of LE.

    IMO all alcohol (which is a drug) offenses in LE should be career ending.

  46. Rex The Wonder Dog! says:

    Beelz, I have told you and every one else who will listen, getting a gov JOB in the first place, and then getting promoted in that gov job, is always based on connections-nepotism and cronyism 99% of the time. That is how Jo Ann G was hired and promoted.

    Beels-Let me ask you a question- If Jo Ann Galisky were given a WRITTEN TEST for Sergeant, or Lieutenant, or Captain or Sheriff, what do you think the chances are of her getting a score in the top 10%? Top 25%?? Bottom 10%??

    I would bet my life she could not test out on an OBJECTIVE written test above the bottom 10%. I could almost guarantee it.

  47. Beelzebub says:

    “A DUI is IMO the most serious misdemeanor criminal offenses there is- should be an AUTOMATIC dis-qualifier for any job in LE, ANY JOB”

    I totally agree. In fact, in ANY employment that requires the operation of a motor vehicle as part of the job description a DUI should be an automatic disqualifier. It might be unfair to the guy who had a couple beers at the ballgame who got busted, but if the person gets into a bad accident with a company car while he’s loaded with a prior DUI the victim is going to own that organization. It just displays extremely poor judgment.

    But allowing a cop back on the job after TWO DUI’s is unforgiveable! If that cop injured a citzen while loaded on the job it would be worth $5-$10M!

    “I would bet my life she could not test out on an OBJECTIVE written test above the bottom 10%”

    I have no idea what her IQ is but if a GED is the best she could do she really had no business managing an organization that ran a $800M budget. If we are going to let GED’s run the show we might as well just shut down all the universities. People attend college to get a competitive edge. College grads are supposed to be rewarded for the effort it took to finish their higher education. For most jobs that pay over minimum wage you need one just to get your foot in the door. It should apply to LE as well. And it just doesn’t look good to the public when a GED has the corner office. It’s bad PR all the way around. It only perpetuates the fact that government work is a farce. And if a GED had the corner office I can only assume the rank ‘n file must be packed with ‘em.

    I think the reason a GED is still the entry educational requirement in most non-federal LE jobs is because it gives the insiders a way to land their kids, relatives and friends high paying jobs without the need for higher education. But an entry level cop pulls down a comp package well over $100k. That should require at least a BA or BS. The fact that it only takes a GED is proof positive it’s a scam.

  48. Rex The Wonder Dog! says:

    When gov employees with GED’s are being paid TWICE (or more) what a medical doctor is then the wheels have fallen off the tracks, the only thing left to fall off is the train, and we are nearly there……………….

  49. Nancy Lewis says:

    How about drug testing law inforcement? If a doctor with a 8 year degree gets caught using drugs, he gets his MD License taken away. But with law inforcement with only a GED, even if they drug test them, we as the public would never hear the results! They hide everything! The CHP Michael Walling amd Steve Coffman both refused drug tests the night they shot Joey Pinasco over 24 times! Something needs to change!

  50. Nancy Lewis says:

    Look up the salary and overtime CHP Michael Walling and CHP Steve Coffman made in 2008 for the killing of Joey Pinasco!

  51. Beelzebub says:

    “How about drug testing law inforcement?”

    All cops involved in a shooting – particularly a fatal shooting – should have their blood drawn to check for drugs and alcohol. Taking a man’s life is a serious, serious act – regardless of who does it – and all bases should be covered during the subsequent investigation. Drugs can alter perception and judgment. The person under the influence of drugs does not always exhibit classic signs of such to the casual observer. That’s why testing is so important.

  52. Rex The Wonder Dog! says:

    Drug testing, from a cop in a public union???-it will never happen.