Legislators pass bill to regulate BB guns

Aug. 22, 2012

By Katy Grimes

“They’ll have to pry my BB gun from my cold, dead arms,” one commenter wrote on the legislative web page for AB 2333. The bill, by Assemblyman Jose Solorio, D-Anaheim, will require parents to keep BB guns under lock and key safely away from minors, or face a $200 fine and a requirement to perform community service, after receiving written warnings.

I am not aware of any recent outbreaks of BB gun assaults on the public.

“I can’t believe that we are actually bringing a bill like this, about imitation firearms,” Assemblyman Tim Donnelly, R-Hesperia, said in floor debate Wednesday. “…to store away from the kids, but they are for kids to use.”

Solorio replied that because the guns look like real guns, the bill is necessary. And he added that children have even died from BB gun shootings.

Solorio’s flawed reasoning that BB guns kill, is nearly as absurd as blaming SUVs for killing pedestrians. It’s the people using the BB guns that are unsafe when there is an accident.

Boys and their toys

As I listened to debate on this bill, it was difficult keeping a straight face.

Attempts to ban BB guns and airsoft rifles have been defeated in the past. But AB 2333 passed the Senate and just had amendments approved in the Assembly Wednesday. If this bill finds its way to the governor,  California’s reputation as a nutty state will be forever sealed.

My husband and I have four boys in our family. And each of the four had BB guns, air soft pellet guns, toy handguns, and even rubber band guns. When they were very little, they made guns out of Legos and sticks. Anything that looked like a gun was fair game. They played Army, and loved lugging around plastic M-16s and airsoft rifles while wearing plastic military helmets, pretending to be covert military spies.

They were normal.

Nonsensical, illogical, nanny state laws

In California, Democrats want to decriminalize drugs, but ban BB guns. California Democrats have been trying to take away constitutional rights to gun ownership, while they simultaneously unload thousands of criminals from state prisons and jails onto our streets and into our neighborhoods.

Yet gun ownership and concealed carry permit applications are up. It seems that the more rights liberals try to take away, the more that Americans dig their heels in, and insist on those rights.

Deep pockets

In 2001, the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission filed a lawsuit against Daisy Manufacturing Co., the maker of the famous Red Ryder BB gun, and sought to force Daisy to recall two of its popular BB-gun models. But there was no defect or legitimate safety reason for the lawsuit. The Consumer Product Safety Commission said there had been complaints of “misfirings,” and specifically cited a 1999 injury case.

Representatives from Daisy said that anyone who has been hurt by the BB gun ignored clear warnings on the packaging, which state that the imitation firearms can be dangerous if improperly used.

The famous injury case used against the Daisy Manufacturing Company was greatly misreported. The real complaints about the BB guns weren’t  that they misfired, but that they actually fired when their users thought they were empty.

In 1999, two boys had been playing with a BB gun. They thought it was empty.  One of the boys pumped up the rifle, cocked it, pointed it at the other boy’s head, and pulled the trigger. A BB lodged in the brain of the other boy, and his parents sued Daisy Manufacturing Company.

The air rifle “could not possibly be discharged unless the shooter first pulled a bolt handle to the rear, pushed the bolt handle forward again, pumped the gun to attain necessary air pressure, disengaged the safety and, finally, pulled the trigger,” one outdoor writer explained.

No one can be shot, accidentally or on purpose, unless a gun is actually pointed at that person, which is in violation of the most elemental firearms safety rule.

Instead of a recall, the federal agency ended up agreeing to a settlement with the Daisy company to instead promote safe BB-gun usage; but only after the Daisy company paid $18 million to the parents of the injured boy, who eventually died of the brain injury.

There is no word on whether the parents sued the family of the boy who pulled the trigger.

Legislators are famous for twisting reality to fit their agendas. Solorio’s AB 2333 is a textbook case of manipulating the facts to appease anti-gun activists, and overzealous police representatives. BB guns don’t kill or injure kids–irresponsible, careless kids who don’t use BB guns correctly are to blame, as are their parents.

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  1. Tax Target
    Tax Target 22 August, 2012, 16:50

    There is little doubt that to qualify to a member of the Kalifornsky legislature one has to be a complete and total moron!

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  2. us citizen
    us citizen 22 August, 2012, 17:07

    I am SICK SICK SICK of these liberal idiots pushing their agendas on to everyone else. What ever happened to personal responsibility.

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  3. Donkey
    Donkey 22 August, 2012, 17:35

    us citizen, all the RAGWUS feeders are looking for is control of the individual citizen. This is done with crazy laws like this BB-gun regulation. :)

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  4. BobA
    BobA 22 August, 2012, 19:04

    I give it 5 more years tops before pointing your finger at someone will be considered a hate crime at the least and aggravated assault at the worst.

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  5. eck
    eck 22 August, 2012, 19:49

    This state is going down the tubes from many, many REAL problems. And our legislators are spending their time on THIS STUFF??? Fire them all! We’re doomed! The legislative bodies in this state are jokes.

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  6. Ulysses Uhaul
    Ulysses Uhaul 22 August, 2012, 20:18

    Will sleep good tonite….usual rugged individualists aired it out in Utopia!

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  7. Rex the Wonder Dog!
    Rex the Wonder Dog! 22 August, 2012, 22:37

    I don think we need this legislation, but guns are not toys and toys should not be guns-unless there is adult supervision at all times and the children know that.

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  8. jose
    jose 23 August, 2012, 07:15

    This is all about the anti-gun groups taking one piece at time to outlaw gun ownership. This one in particular mirrors what is going on in the UK for years. And pointing your finger at someone like its a firearm will get you into trouble in the UK. Pocket knives come after this.
    Too bad so many liberals are elected in this nanny state by so many un-informed people.
    This state used to be a great place to live. No longer so. Lack of common sense runs amok here.

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  9. Edward Steele, Chief Investigator
    Edward Steele, Chief Investigator 23 August, 2012, 08:08

    YES ! We need our bb guns to defend our American exceptionalism in case our world geo pol enemy the Russians attack!

    Mitt the Twitt

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  10. Tom in SoCal
    Tom in SoCal 23 August, 2012, 08:54

    This bill is yet another reason why our state legislature should be part time. They have waaay too much time on their hands to come up with crazy stuff like this.

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  11. BobA
    BobA 23 August, 2012, 09:49

    Edward Steele, Chief Investigator:

    We don’t need no stinkin BB guns to defend against and attack. Just give the aggressors what the want and hope they spare you. It’s better to kiss their ass and beg for your life than to resist. Isn’t that the liberal way?

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  12. stevefromsacto
    stevefromsacto 23 August, 2012, 11:05

    The NRA can support giving people access to semi-automatic weapons, armor-piercing bullets, 100-round clips, and other items needed for “deer hunting,” but they can’t stick up for the rights of eight-year-olds to bear BB guns? I guess the NRA has gone soft and pinko on us.

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    • Anon564
      Anon564 13 November, 2013, 04:50

      the NRA don’t support those rights for the purpose of hunting. You don’t need a 100 round mag to hunt. Those rights are supported for the sole purpose of enabling Americans to be able to defend themselves. Make no mistake, the 2nd amendment had nothing to do with hunting. It had everything to do with a citizen’s right to defend themselves, their loved ones, and their country.

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  13. John J
    John J 23 August, 2012, 12:43

    Nothing surprises me after the citizens elected Gov. Moonbeam and allowed the legislature a simple majority to pass laws. People here are clueless

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  14. Chief661
    Chief661 23 August, 2012, 12:59

    @stevefromsacto – I hope you were being factitious since the NRA fights for OUR Second Amendment rights, and those rights have nothing to do with hunting deer. It is this kind of political nuttiness that identifies CA as beyond saving. I just hope my wife and I can stay alive, sans CCW, long enough to escape the East Bay cesspool and get back home to PA when I retire in a year or two. Nobody should be made defenseless by clueless politicians, like those who slink around Sacto; have bodyguards, or can get a CCW and carry so that they are protected; unlike we lowly serf taxpayers.

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  15. Edward Steele, Chief Investigator
    Edward Steele, Chief Investigator 23 August, 2012, 13:13

    BobA—Yes– that’s the liberal way Bob— kind of like the way President Obama treated Osama Bin Laden?

    Or the way FDR prosecuted WW2?

    ETC ETC ETC

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  16. NorCal Libertarian
    NorCal Libertarian 23 August, 2012, 14:13

    This isn’t April 1st right???? Dont’ all y’all get it??? Solorio is from Anaheim…Home of DISNEYLAND…the world of MAKE-BELIEVE!!!! They don’t want San Francisco and L.A. to get ALL THE CREDIT for LAME BRAIN IDEAS!!!
    Let’s give these Anaheimians a little credit!
    With this guy coming up with this legislation, I guess all major state problems are solved–in HIS eyes!

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  17. JLSeagull
    JLSeagull 23 August, 2012, 16:30

    Is it too late to add water pistols to AB 2333? There are a lot of caustic liquids that could be dispensed from water pistols that would do a lot more damage than a BB-gun.

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  18. JLSeagull
    JLSeagull 23 August, 2012, 16:31

    I mean, like, compared to a BB-gun a water pistol is a weapon of mass destruction!

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  19. Ulysses Uhaul
    Ulysses Uhaul 23 August, 2012, 17:08

    Cackle. Cackle. Cackle.

    Taking some of your guns away!

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  20. Martha Montelongo
    Martha Montelongo 23 August, 2012, 18:21

    Katy, your quote made the reason blog but you weren’t cited by name. I recognized your line “They’ll have to pry my BB gun from my cold, dead arms.”

    I don’t have a problem with decriminalizing drugs. The legislators use the legal ones and look how well it suits them. Portugal decriminalized drugs over ten years ago, and usage of all drugs is way down especially among kids, teens and young adults. The war on drugs perverts and corrupts our police forces.

    As for our guns, I’m with you on it!
    I just wrote my 22 year old son who lives in the big apple now, lucky for him, this bill was not law while he had his fun! These buzz kills in the legislature are dangerous. They prove over and over again why we should have a part-time legislature. They’re dorky, meddling busybodies armed with the power to legislate away everything we love to do, when they’re not busy killing jobs and the private sector.

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  21. stevefromsacto
    stevefromsacto 23 August, 2012, 19:11

    Chief, the Second Amendment does not mention a right to purchase cop-killing, armor piercing bullets. You don’t need a 100-clip magazine like the nut case in Colorado in order to defend yourself. And you sure as hell don’t need a semi-automatic to hunt deer.

    The sad thing is that I and most other people would support your right to defend yourself if it hadn’t been corrupted by the NRA and the arms industry and turned into a right for anyone to purchase anything at any time, without any sort of reasonable checks and balances.

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  22. BobA
    BobA 23 August, 2012, 19:29

    Edward Steele, Chief Investigator:

    “the way President Obama treated Osama Bin Laden?” Oh really? The same Obama who hid behind Valerie Jarrett’s skirt until Hillary Clinton stepped forward and showed some balls and forced him to do it?

    I live in a neighborhood full of past and present SOF officers. They tell a different story.

    BYW:

    There’s a huge difference between a classic liberal and a neo-liberal. Obama, on the other hand, is a neo-Marxist who hates America and the U.S. Constitution.

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  23. the Rt Rev Ted Steele
    the Rt Rev Ted Steele 23 August, 2012, 20:03

    Boba— grow up. I have been alive long enough to see command execution fail. It did not here–The President did his job. If the mission failed it would’ve been on him like Desert 1 was. Your neighbors are former operators??? ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ…….

    Ted Former ATL/CSM

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  24. the Rt Rev Ted Steele
    the Rt Rev Ted Steele 23 August, 2012, 20:04

    Boba—- Take the tin foil hate off, turn or Fox and turn down Rush– The President, like every other one before him, loves the Country. You are sad.

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  25. the Rt Rev Ted Steele
    the Rt Rev Ted Steele 23 August, 2012, 20:10

    stevefromsacto— Of course your opinion is spot on. Around here though it’s pretty ignorant and Fox newsy. What this crowd does not know about the second A. would fill the grand canyon.

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  26. the Rt Rev Ted Steele
    the Rt Rev Ted Steele 23 August, 2012, 20:11

    Spin trolls! Spin now!!!!!

    Ted–your master!

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  27. the Rt Rev Ted Steele
    the Rt Rev Ted Steele 23 August, 2012, 20:13

    Hey Bob a h.– FDR was a true lib—– was he aggro enough for you in ww2?

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  28. UpChuck.Liberals
    UpChuck.Liberals 23 August, 2012, 21:27

    The idiot liberals in Sacramento should be kept under lock and key. They are the clear and present danger. These fools do everything that they can to ignore personal responsibility. Gun safety should be a classroom subject, starting in 1st grade. But no the Libs in this state want us to become another Chicago or New York City. I’ve learned one thing about the fools in this state, they love to find solutions to problems that don’t exist but then that’s a trait that most Liberals have. I see that some of the libs posting here are true to form, thinking that they’re intelligent but totally unable to see that they are just fools supporting other fools.

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  29. Rex the Wonder Dog!
    Rex the Wonder Dog! 23 August, 2012, 22:00

    Wow, did Teddy meltdown with a million reponses, Teddy youre pathetic 😉

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  30. Ulysses Uhaul
    Ulysses Uhaul 23 August, 2012, 22:12

    Teddy is the true gifted poster.zzzzzzzzzz

    Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmn nite Poodle

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  31. Rex the Wonder Dog!
    Rex the Wonder Dog! 23 August, 2012, 23:20

    Hi Teedy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  32. the Rt Rev Ted Steele
    the Rt Rev Ted Steele 24 August, 2012, 06:49

    Thx U Haul—- and what’s a Teeeeedy?

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  33. BobA
    BobA 24 August, 2012, 08:46

    Rt Rev Ted Steele:

    You don’t know much about Obama, his friends and past associations do you? It figures. I’ve met many elderly Germans who insist that Hitler was a good man and meant well. Same for the few the few Chinese I’ve met over the years who insist that chairman Mao’s ordering the mass starvation of millions of his own Chinese citizens was for the good of the country. Or the millions of Americans who are utterly ignorant about Islam and have been lulled into believing that Islam is a peaceful religion.

    My point is, you can put on the blinders and rose colored glasses and see only what you want to see; hear only what you want to hear and know only what you want to know. History is littered with the tragic consequences of people with that disposition. I’m am not so inclined.

    And you say I should turn off FOX news? What would you have me watch, MSNBC?
    NBC? ABC? CNN? Sorry my friend, I’m not interested in democrat or republican party propaganda and I don’t watch TV news programming. My IQ isn’t low enough to sit & watch that egregious tripe they put on TV called news.

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  34. Edward Steele, Chief Investigator
    Edward Steele, Chief Investigator 24 August, 2012, 09:02

    Poor Bobah——- you need meds and 3 units of world history little buddy if you think the President is remotely like Hitler.

    Maybe it’s the flouride in the water or the microwaives that is making you so patently crazy?

    hmm, ya think?

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  35. Edward Steele, Chief Investigator
    Edward Steele, Chief Investigator 24 August, 2012, 09:16

    Whether it’s in the UK or the US or anywhere else, the quantitative easing programs are more about helping the rich – welfare for bankers, you might say – than anything else. There’s always talk about benefits for everyone but somehow those benefits never trickle down, do they?

    The Bank of England’s recent report promotes the idea of spreading the wealth for everyone though it also admits that it primarily benefits the top 10% of the population. The Independent:
    In its report on the effectiveness of its controversial quantitative easing (QE) programme, the Bank said it successfully pushed up share prices and other asset values, delivering an overall boost to the net financial worth of UK households of around £600bn. The Bank said this worked out at an average benefit of around £10,000 per person.

    However, financial assets are unevenly distributed around the population, meaning that the benefit was highly unequal. And an analysis by The Independent reveals that the wealthiest 10 per cent of households would have benefited from QE more than 240 times as much as the poorest 10 per cent.

    The Bank’s researchers suggested that the £325bn of sovereign-bond purchases enacted by the Monetary Policy Committee since March 2009 boosted asset prices across the economy by around 28 per cent. The most recent research on levels of wealth by the Office for National Statistics (ONS) in July showed that the wealthiest 10 per cent of British households held £2.5 trillion in pension wealth at the end of 2010, while the poorest 10 per cent held just £2bn.
    If governments are going to use tax money to pump up the system, why should most of the benefits go to the select few? Even from a practical perspective, it’s wasteful because the rich do not spend extra money but the middle class and poor will spend it. Read the rest of this post…
    More posts about: banks, UK

    and so it goes as Kurt V. might say—— poor trolls drinking the teabaggy koolaid….

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  36. Lee Welter
    Lee Welter 24 August, 2012, 10:02

    School Choice for Every Family is our best hope to bring sanity to California government.

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  37. Chief661
    Chief661 24 August, 2012, 10:17

    @ stevefromsacto; People like you who vote are the reason why we have some many silly/stupid anti-gun and anti-self defense laws. Sadly though, you are clueless when it comes to what freedom is about and what the Second Amendment was intended to do for us.
    You want to be safe or free? You want the illusion of being completely “safe”; crawl into a hole in the ground and cover yourself up, or lock yourself up in a bunker and don’t go outside. I’d rather be free and accept the risk; but be able to carry what I want/need to protect myself and my wife from the bad guys who, unfortunately, are out there in the real world and would hurt/kill us in a heartbeat for a lousy buck. Don’t bother to reply to this because I won’t waste any more time discussing this with someone who just doesn’t get the whole freedom thing. You are what is sad, not the NRA.

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  38. BobA
    BobA 24 August, 2012, 11:19

    Edward Steele, Chief Investigator:

    Apparently you’ve never traveled the world or talked to other people outside of those who agree with you so my point sails right over your head without you grasping it’s meaning. Let’s not belabor the issue.

    Your suggestion that I need meds and 3 units of world history say more about you and how & what you think if you can call it that. No matter. Facts and cogent opinions are anathema to the liberal dogma your kind cling to so trying to carry on an intelligent discussion with you is sort of like discuss why the sky is blue or the formation of our planetary system with a bible thumper.

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  39. Rex the Wonder Dog!
    Rex the Wonder Dog! 24 August, 2012, 11:50

    LOL…Bob just destroyed Troll teddy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  40. Ulysses Uhaul
    Ulysses Uhaul 24 August, 2012, 11:58

    Teddy has infinite tolerence for crank posters flaying in the hot desert sun like juiced up RAVE punks training to be OCCUPY irrelevants!

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  41. Rex the Wonder Dog!
    Rex the Wonder Dog! 24 August, 2012, 14:12

    I live in Bel Air nice and cool 😉

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  42. Edward Steele, Chief Investigator
    Edward Steele, Chief Investigator 24 August, 2012, 15:20

    Uhaul– You are correct sir!

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  43. Rex the Wonder Dog!
    Rex the Wonder Dog! 24 August, 2012, 17:58

    Hi teddy! :)

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  44. Ulysses Uhaul
    Ulysses Uhaul 24 August, 2012, 20:33

    Poodle time for your oval cushion bed!

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  45. Rex the Wonder Dog!
    Rex the Wonder Dog! 25 August, 2012, 00:18

    I sleep in a crate :)

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  46. Ulysses Uhaul
    Ulysses Uhaul 25 August, 2012, 09:59

    Teddy….your encylopedias….look up the physiology of trolls…..let us know if they ever sleep….

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  47. Rex the Wonder Dog!
    Rex the Wonder Dog! 25 August, 2012, 14:19

    Hi Teddy :)

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  48. The Rt Rev Ted Steele
    The Rt Rev Ted Steele 25 August, 2012, 15:24

    zzzzz the troll has no idea! He thinks they are all me—- I live in his tiny head…..mmmmmmmmmmm

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  49. Buck Phoenix
    Buck Phoenix 26 August, 2012, 11:16

    I saw and listened to Donnelly speak yesterday at a TEA-Bagger meeting. The small group was older (of course) and easily aroused by his yelling that the liberal left hates them. The liberal left wackos want to take guns away, because the liberal wackos hate America. Liberals hate, hate, hate. He wants to be a politician so bad.

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  50. queeg
    queeg 26 August, 2012, 14:47

    We must confirm Trolls have tiny heads and live in Randsburg in squatter shacks….encylopedia might help!

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  51. Rex the Wonder Dog!
    Rex the Wonder Dog! 27 August, 2012, 00:10

    Wow, sock puppet city!!!!!!!!!!! :)

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  52. Ted Steele, Janitor
    Ted Steele, Janitor 27 August, 2012, 06:55

    LOL rexpoodle thinks I am everyone else too——delusional!

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  53. Hondo
    Hondo 27 August, 2012, 10:50

    My 18yo nephew was arrested for felony drive by shooting on his last day of high school when him and some friends were driving around town shooting a bb gun some other friends asses. In my youth that was considered good clean fun and a local cop who caught us simply took the gun and yelled at us.
    My nephew plead down to a misdemeanor but still has a felony drive by shooting arrest on his record. He has a tough time getting a job now. He was a computer nerd and an athlete in high school, no problem at all.
    Is there any common sense left in that state?
    Hondo……..

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  54. Guy
    Guy 7 August, 2013, 17:13

    F U california, I truly hate this state. I hope if a meteor hits the earth it hits california, especially los angeles or san francisco.

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