Dorner manhunt raises policing issues

February 17, 2013 - By Steven Greenhut

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By Steven Greenhut

SACRAMENTO — Police typically say that their paramount mission is to protect public safety. But the recently concluded manhunt for former Los Angeles Police Department officer Christopher Dorner, accused of murdering four people after releasing a manifesto decrying his 2008 firing from the force, raises concerns about where the public’s actual safety ranks among police priorities.

Last weekend, police opened fire on a 71-year-old newspaper carrier and her 47-year-old daughter, who had the misfortune of driving a pickup truck police thought might be Dorner’s. The Los Angeles police detectives who put two bullets in the older woman’s back didn’t do much double-checking. The women’s truck was a different make and color from Dorner’s.

As the women’s attorney told the Los Angeles Times: “The problem with the situation is it looked like the police had the goal of administering street justice and, in so doing, didn’t take the time to notice that these two older, small Latina women don’t look like a large black man.”

This shooting could be written off as a sad fluke, except that, 25 minutes later, different officers opened fire on a different truck — once again getting key details wrong.

“Nobody trains police officers to look for one of their own,” Maria Haberfeld, a police-training professor at John Jay College in New York, was quoted in a piece on the web site News One. “I wouldn’t want to be in their shoes, and I don’t think anybody else would.”

We all understand the situation. But saying that we wouldn’t want to be “in their shoes” is no excuse for such dangerous police behavior. Police wouldn’t excuse a civilian for misusing a firearm, regardless of how much stress the person was under.

News One also published a photograph of a gray Ford truck seen in the Los Angeles area, bearing a hand-made “Don’t Shoot, Not Dorner, Thank You” poster on the back window. T-shirts and bumper stickers to similar effect have popped up. They’re funny, in a dark way, but police ought to recognize how this reflects on them and their strategies. It’s sad when people are more worried about the police than they are about a murderer on the loose.

Police culture

“Simply put, the police culture in our country has changed,” former San Jose Police Chief Joe McNamara, a Hoover Institution scholar, contended in a Wall Street Journal article in 2006. “An emphasis on ‘officer safety’ and paramilitary training pervades today’s policing, in contrast to the older culture, which held that cops didn’t shoot until they were about to be shot or stabbed.”

The massive scale of the police effort to find Dorner was the result of a killer targeting their own, thus leading to the reasonable conclusion that police pulled out the stops not because the public was in danger, but because they were in danger.

I don’t blame police for their emphasis on catching Dorner, but I also understand why residents in, say, South Los Angeles, might wonder why the frequent killings in their community don’t rate the same attention from authorities.

With crime rates at 40-year lows, this could be an opportune time for a debate about such policing priorities that can be free from excess emotionalism.

Media reports have focused on the rantings within Dorner’s manifesto. But much of what he complained about amounts to bureaucratic indifference — about police officials who, in his mind, didn’t care about the communities they are sworn to protect. Nothing justifies his murderous vendetta, and I’m sickened by people who celebrated Dorner online, but the LAPD said it would re-examine Dorner’s firing. Perhaps the department will try to glean some broader lessons from this tragedy.

Bystanders

Currently, a case before the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals is evaluating the lengths to which police are required to go to protect bystanders. The case involves Sacramento police, who were trailing a suspect who hid in a tree in a family’s back yard. So an officer released a police dog, Bandit, into the yard, where innocent people were gathered.

Police dogs are trained to bite and hold suspects, but they can’t distinguish between law-abiding citizens relaxing with friends and police suspects. So Bandit attacked the first person it saw. Since then, instead of instituting reform and settling with the family, Sacramento PD has been arguing that “officer safety” would be endangered by requiring a reasonable warning before releasing a police dog on private property.

It’s frightening to think that police can use deadly force without taking even the most modest steps to protect bystanders. It’s even more frightening to hear people defend this approach. Yes, officer safety is important. But so is the public’s safety. It’s time to grapple with finding a proper balance.

Steven Greenhut is vice president of journalism at the Franklin Center for Government and Public Integrity. He is based in Sacramento. Write to him at: [email protected]

 

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Comments(123)
  1. Rex the Wonder Dog! says:

    Last weekend, police opened fire on a 71-year-old newspaper carrier and her 47-year-old daughter, who had the misfortune of driving a pickup truck police thought might be Dorner’s
    ==
    Did you see the truck?? At least 50!!! bullet holes, all fired from BEHIND the truck, after seeing the bullet holes I am shocked ANYONE survived.

  2. Donkey says:

    Steven wrote: “It’s frightening to think that police can use deadly force without taking even the most modest steps to protect bystanders. It’s even more frightening to hear people defend this approach. Yes, officer safety is important. But so is the public’s safety. It’s time to grapple with finding a proper balance.”

    I have had this same view since the intentional murder of Ashley MacDonald in August of 2006. And all these shootings and murders are being done in direct violation of the Bill of Rights. The British had better manners when running the colonies.
    The only way to curb the police state is to institute civilian review boards that have the power to fire and change policy within these praetorian police organizations. The jury system was meant to control acts like this by putting the officers of the state, that commited crimes against citizens, before a panel of citizens, in this way the public would have the control of those doing the shootings. And in fact, up until the 1960’s citizens redress of greivinces were put before juries, but rarely anymore, unless it is so abhorrent, such as the brutal beating death of Kelly Thomas, most crimminal activity by the police never gets past the halls of their chamber of lies.

    Steven the “balance” lies with following the Constitution and hiring courageous people in police postitions, not giving them carte blanche to shoot based on some inbred fools training and policies. Take the murder of Doug Zerby, all officers were cleared in his death, even though no one ever uttered a word to this fellow citizen as he sat on a stair step. He was shot from above, in the top of his head, then another officer used a shotgun on his dead body for their own good measure, and all this in an apartment complex courtyard.

    I have seen in my lifetime, police go from using deadly force as a last resort, to using any excuse to kill a fellow citizen.

    It all comes to how our police bureaucracies are training the officers. We cannot trust the police to act rationally anymore when put in postitions of stress, and many come out of these training schools as Pavlovian sociopaths whose only loyality is to their pals in blue.

    Since the police are almost never put before a jury of citizens for their crimes against citizens the blame can only be placed upon the DA’s office and the people, for allowing the police to dictate whether a citizen lives or dies when coming in contact with these costume wearing killers of the state.

    I might add, it is not a coincidence we have out of control police bureaucracies and a huge increase in the state prison population, together they have found a way to enslave many while telling the rest of us we are free. While tyrrany exsits, no one is free, and all lives are in danger. :)

  3. SkippingDog says:

    Ashley MacDonald was an emotionally troubled and drug addicted young woman who stabbed her mother and then tried to stab a Huntington Beach police officer in the park nearby her home. It was, in fact, Ashley’s mother who called the police to report that she had been stabbed and was an immediate danger to others.

    While Ashley MacDonald’s death was a tragedy for her family, it was the predictable outcome of her own actions that day. Even the extremely right-wing OC Register conceded that the MacDonald shooting was entirely legal and justifiable under the circumstances.

    Your continuing effort to present the MacDonald incident as anything other than an unfortunate but necessary use of deadly force by HBPD officers does nothing more than demonstrate your disregard of any facts that run counter to your own anti-government and frequently anarchist philosophy, Donkey.

  4. Dyspeptic says:

    “Police typically say that their paramount mission is to protect public safety”

    Anyone who believes that is a village idiot. Police are the boots on the ground for the ruling elites. They enforce whatever obnoxious, counterproductive, liberty and prosperity destroying laws the 1% can dream up. They take an oath to enforce the law, all of it, even those laws they know are unjust or stupid. What kind of civilized person does that? What kind of person makes it their job to enforce every tyrannical dictate imposed by corrupt politicians and arrogant, petty bureaucrats, with as much deadly force as they think necessary?

    These are people who will shoot you in the back and then hide behind their police chief and their union boss. And they can do it without getting so much as a reprimand in their personnel file. Sometimes they even get official commendations for killing innocent people. Think about that. They will cover up criminal behavior amongst themselves and lie in court with impunity. They have the incredible luxury of being able to investigate themselves, with little outside accountability. Just about every politician in this country either fears them or worships them. They have almost unlimited immunity for their official behavior no matter how derelict, negligent or reckless.

    You can’t have a police state without the active and enthusiastic involvement of the police. They are the everyday face of tyranny. Own an 11 round magazine in this state? They will happily arrest you for it. Growing a marijuana plant in your backyard? They will happily arrest you for it. Some neighbor with a grudge tells them lies about you or mistakes your kids Airsoft toy for a real “assault rifle” and they will happily send a SWAT team to bust down your door at 0dark30, drive an armored car onto your lawn, stick a machine gun in your face while screaming obscenities at you, , turn your house inside out, and terrorize your family. If your lucky, they will just shoot your dog, if your unlucky they will shoot you, then let you bleed out while they prevent the paramedics from saving your life due to officer safety considerations.

    If they find nothing they won’t even apologize or clean up after themselves. They will use the courts to seize your property without even convicting you of anything. You will have to hire a lawyer at great expense while paying taxes that are used to defend the cops who ruined your life and stole all your stuff. Good and decent people don’t behave that way. I wish it were otherwise but it is what it is.

  5. SkippingDog says:

    Sounds like you don’t believe in being a law abiding citizen, Dyspeptic. Why isn’t that a surprise?

  6. Donkey says:

    SKdog, your words are those of a coward and Ragwus feeder. No man I have ever been acquainted with would have done what your brothers in blue did to a small 5′-2″ 110lb teenage girl while standing in a school park. Any twelve year old with a handful of sand could have taken Ashley down, and I notice you have nothing to say about the woman that were attacked by the LAPD, and still nothing about Doug Zerby.
    Anarchy is being driven by the police state that you are a part of SKdog, and as always, just before the recokening the people will say they have had enough.

    The truth is the only thing about Ashley MacDonald’s murder that was “unfortunate” is that it was absolutely “predictable” when a rational human takes into account the training and cowards that skulk the streets of our cities in their public costumes and vehicles.

    And let it be clear SKdog, I am not “anti-government” as you like to say, I am Pro-citizen and Pro-Constitution. The police are not even mentioned in Founding docuements, and as constitued today are nothing but a para-military wrecking ball filled with violent feral idiots. How do you expect any respect from citizens for shooting teenage girls, vehicles with grandmothers doing their jobs, and people sitting on stairs? Your moral compass is so screwed up, it quit working not long after you put on that costume. :)

  7. Rex the Wonder Dog! says:

    SKdog, your words are those of a coward and Ragwus feeder.
    ==
    You described the punk perfectly Donk…….

  8. Hondo says:

    I usually find a way to defend police but there is nothing here to defend. No warning on the two trucks, no ‘hands up’. Nothing. None of the victims looked anything like Dorner. This should be felony assault. The police involved should be fired and indicted.
    But it is the police unions who are the blame. They negotiate contracts that make it nearly impossible to hold the police accountable. The police involved will be put on ‘paid’ leave. Just a vacation.
    I’m beginning to think Dorner had a point. Considering the way this manhunt was executed, we should look very hard at his allegations. This in no way lets Dorner off the hook for the innocents who were murdered. The police in San Berdoo were caught yelling to burn him up. No one will be identified saying that. A police investigation will find the voice unidentifiable. But everyone of those San Berdoo cops knows who said that.
    What ever his faults, Dorner has been right about the SoCal police. They are out of control.
    Hondo…..

  9. Skippingdog says:

    Every review of the MacDonald shooting supported the decisions made by the officers that day, Donkey. The District Attorney and even the Orange County Register acknowledged that the shooting was legally justified and necessary under the circumstances. Only the officers involved have any idea of whether they might have been able to overcome her by some other method, but the fact remains that Ashley MacDonald herself set in motion the events that led to her death.

    If you’ve traveled anywhere else in the world you know that your claim we live in a “police state” is absurd. Look at someplace like Israel or even the UK, with the vast surveillance networks in place in both countries, and you’ll get a much better feel for what a modern police state really looks like.

    You are just one of those who has never developed the ability to distinguish between liberty and license. It’s the same flaw that renders your libertarian philosophy unworkable for anything beyond the kind of posturing you do with your Cato talking points.

  10. us citizen says:

    The police were OUT OF CONTROL………not the same brand truck, not the same color……….that in itself says it all.

  11. Skippingdog says:

    Dorner was no different than a sheep dog that turns on and begins killing the sheep it formerly protected, and then starts killing the other sheep dogs when they attempt to stop him. There’s really only one way to deal with that kind of problem. You know that just as well as I do.

    Once he got started on his rampage, the only way Dorner was ever going to survive was by laying down his arms and surrendering in the street to the nearest news camera team. He didn’t want to take that exit.

    As to the other officers involved in the Torrance shooting, we’ll have to see what the DA’s office finds in the investigation. They may well be subject to some significant discipline or criminal charges, or perhaps the evidence will show they had some justification for their actions. Until the investigation is complete, there’s no way for anyone to make a final judgement about their actions.

  12. Dyspeptic says:

    “Sounds like you don’t believe in being a law abiding citizen, Dyspeptic. Why isn’t that a surprise?”

    Is that all you got Running Dog? Pathetic. I believe in minding my own business and practicing the golden rule and the libertarian non-aggression principle. If you and your donut munching thug buddies did the same the world would be a much more just and civilized place.

    I noticed you didn’t attempt to disprove anything I wrote. So objecting to having my civil rights violated by an unaccountable Fascistic, militarized and nationalized police force means I’m public enemy #1 huh. I guess you just can’t reason with the authoritarian mindset, they only understand force. Problem with that is you can only push people so far. At some point we will stop putting up with your Fascist bull$hit.

    Remember Running Dog, we do outnumber you LEO’s by a large margin and we are not all couch potatoes and mall ninjas. Some of us have military experience, including special forces, and some are even former & current cops who take their oath to protect and defend The Constitution seriously and don’t like what they see going on these days. Lots of us have better weapons training and defensive skills than the average trigger happy union goon with a badge. So, respect your citizen masters Running Dog and remember you’re a servant, just a lowly servant. Keep a civil tongue in your head and mind your manners.

  13. Skippingdog says:

    Do you believe in abiding by the laws of the land? Have you somehow had a divine insight that allows you to determine which laws should be enforced and which ignored?

    It’s not my purpose to disprove any of your wild claims, Dys. “Fascistic, militarized and nationalized police force?” Sober up and take a real look at the world around you for a change.

    I’m not at all clear on what you’re trying to say or threaten with your last paragraph, but invoking the Oathkeeper idiots as some kind of support for your position merely demonstrates the inevitable absurdity of all such expansive claims of right or justice by people who confuse liberty with license.

    As to our status as “public servants,” it’s probably wise for you to remember that the “servant” component of that relationship applies to the “royal” public and the law, but not to self-indulgent individuals who claim their own sovereign status. You might want to file that for future reference.

  14. Donkey says:

    Skdog, my thoughts are not derived from Cato or any other organization. I base all I have written on waht I have gleaned from 55 years of life learning.

    You my friend are of twisted mind and reason, the OC Register had one police lackey bootlicker that bowed to the LE RAGWUS and that was Whiting, all the other reporters were shocked by the actions of Parker and Randle, as were most citizens. The investigation was a dog and pony show, with three eye witnesses not even being interviewed by the HBPD, OCSD, or the DA invetigator David Brent. Brent, a pillar of the community was in fact arrested for punching his girfriend in the face in typical LE misogynistic fashion. If a DA with honor and guts put those two cops in front of a jury of citizens they would not be cleared by the standards put forth by your cabal of inbred feral sociopaths. Most investigations put on by LE are a sham, the non-connected public knows this and so do you. The goal is to change the LE cabal to reflect the Constitution and the rights of citizens, and do away with the Preatorian cabal that now has created the largest Prison Industrial Complex the world has ever seen. :)

  15. dltravers says:

    There have been a few who have come out of LAPD with similar claims. I rememeber reading a book called L.A. Secret Police: Inside the LAPD Elite Spy Network by Ivan G. Goldman, Mike Rothmiller.

    It was comical farcical reading of an inside look at high levels of the force by an insider. It was shocking reading. Michael Ruppert worked there and came out with similary shocking claims.

    I remember RFK getting killed there and the ensuing investigation. Thomas Naguchi, the coroner, stood by his guns and said that the kill shot was behind the ear, he could tell by the powder burns, among other things. The rest of the investigation was farcical raising countless questions; similar to his brother’s death. Of course, all was unquestion by the media whores.

    It is a cabal at the top surrounded by some great people in the field doing a tough job every day. What we saw happen to Dorner will happen to anyone who takes up the sword against an organization like that. There are better ways to fight.

  16. Ted says:

    LOL– The same 5 anti gov teabaggy commenters now experts on cop procedure…..gee Greeny, impressive.

  17. SeeSaw says:

    One way would be not to be a cold-blooded murderer, as Dorner was.

  18. Rex the Wonder Dog! says:

    One way would be not to be a cold-blooded murderer, as Dorner was.
    ==
    And how are you any different seesaw, Dorner used bullets you use white collar frauds and scams- end result is the same.

    You ARE Dorner seesaw, just use a different method of killing people, mostly the poor and middle class, through regressive taxes that are highly regressive for compensation of idiot public employees with GED educations, hired based on cronyism, nepotism or military service, but NEVER MERIT.

  19. SeeSaw says:

    Rex, you are sick, sick sick!

  20. Rex the Wonder Dog! says:

    Oh seesaw, how the truth hurts ;)

  21. Ted Steele, CEO says:

    My God you are dull today Poodle——zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    0 for 14 ™!

  22. SeeSaw says:

    This is really a new, “low”, from you, Rex. Have you hit bottom yet?

  23. Rex the Wonder Dog! says:

    Hahahhahaa….you two are KILLING me ytoday :)

  24. Dyspeptic says:

    It’s interesting to watch the Fascist Progressives on this website try to justify the atrocious behavior of the current national security police state. You can’t get them to acknowledge a single fact. All they have is juvenile sarcasms and empty headed knee jerk responses. Complete moral and intellectual bankruptcy.

    “Do you believe in abiding by the laws of the land?”

    No one is required to obey statutes or regulations that violate fundamental human rights. Our rights are natural, inalienable and not created by politicians, governments or police agencies. NO GOVERNMENT HAS ANY MORAL AUTHORITY TO VIOLATE MY NATURAL/CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS NO MATTER HOW MANY IDIOT VOTERS, CORRUPT JUDGES OR THUG COPS SUPPORT SUCH POLICIES. Skippy, you are a bottomless pit of philosophical, moral and historical ignorance.

    When the militia’s at Lexington and Concorde mustered to defend themselves against the British troops sent to disarm them, they were in violation of numerous “laws of the land”. But they answered to a higher moral authority than the British government. Thank goodness they had the courage and foresight to risk everything for their just and righteous cause.

    You are the type of mindless authoritarian who would have arrested abolitionists for violating The Fugitive Slave Act or ruined the lives of good hardworking people who had the nerve to consume alcohol during prohibition. You and your ilk were arresting people in Nazi Germany for hiding Jews from the Gestapo. Ultimately you don’t give a damn about the law you barbarian, all you care about is your exclusive ability to exercise authority.

    P.S.
    You have no business accusing others of criminal behavior you miserable hypocrite. Just weeks ago on this website you advised The Dear Leader to exceed his constitutional and statutory authority by unilaterally banning millions of legally owned semi-auto rifles by an illegal application of The National Firearms Act. Even Obama was unwilling to go that far, which just shows what an out and out authoritarian extremist you are Skippy.

    Now go trim up your Hitler mustache and practice your Nazi salute you repugnant disgrace.

  25. Ted Steele, CEO says:

    LOL— “fascist progressives”…. LOL poor Dysphoric—– he spends a bit too much time on Fox News and El Rushbo!

    The dumbing down of the GOP rolls on like a muddy river in spring……

  26. SkippingDog says:

    I just love it when you Sovereign Citizen nuts finally reveal your true colors. Not only are you ignorant of our national history, but you are so deluded that you compare your petulant anti-government hissy-fits to the founders of our nation and the abolitionist movement. Nothing more than ridiculous ideas on stilts.

    As to your little postscript claim, there doesn’t seem to be anything in the National Firearms Act of 1934 or the Gun Control Act of 1968 that would prevent the creation of more restrictive federal regulations directing the implementation of those laws. If it is within executive power to strengthen those regulations, I agree that it should be attempted. If you disagree with the outcome of such an effort, you and the NRA can attempt a constitutional challenge to the new regulations. That’s how our nation works.

    Finally, I’m vastly amused by your typical wingnut reversion to Nazi name calling. It provides a textbook example of the Reductio ad Hitlerum fallacy and highlights the retreat into churlish self-righteousness that has overcome the right-wing since William F. Buckley’s departure from your midst. You really need to find a new movement leader with some intelligence and sanity if you’re ever going to have your ideas taken with a remote degree of seriousness again.

  27. NTHEOC says:

    SkippingDog says:
    February 18, 2013 at 12:56 pm
    I just love it when you Sovereign Citizen nuts finally reveal your true colors.
    =================
    They have been for a long time! The killing of police officers is seen by most as a tragedy. To Steven Greenmut,dys,donkey,rex,and others like them, they see it as a VICTORY!!!

  28. NTHEOC says:

    Steven Greenmut says,
    It’s sad when people are more worried about the police than they are about a murderer on the loose.
    ==============
    I have yet to ever meet one of these people! Where do you find people like this?

  29. a frequent reader says:

    If it weren’t for the copy/paste function some find it impossible to post more than a two sentence, educated rebuttal (Teddy) that is nearly always infantile in nature. Then there are others who, hypcritically take out of context meaningful and intelligent posts (NTHEOC), wish they could. Here’s a third sentence to keep it intelligent. :D Copy/paste away hypos!

  30. Rye says:

    “Royal public” ? Skdog, what the F are you talkin about ? Police dont get to pick & choose who they defend or protect, what laws to uphold or ignore. Sad that they seem to be doing this with more & more frequency.This is something ive been noticing for a couple of decades now. Sad.

  31. Ted Steele, CEO says:

    Freq reader–

    Abraham Lincoln once wrote, “I would have written a shorter letter, but I didn’t have the time.”

    While I have posted a few longer posts, my posts are usually terse and to the point because I find that , well, folks like you sir, don’t deserve a big investment of my time. My posts serve the purpose of me, the poster, quite well. I am pleased with them;each and every one.

    As a great writer once noted, “thanks ever so much for the sweetly faked attention.”

    Teddy

  32. Rex the Wonder Dog! says:

    They have been for a long time! The killing of police officers is seen by most as a tragedy. To Steven Greenmut,dys,donkey,rex,and others like them, they see it as a VICTORY!!!
    ==
    NTHEOC, stop it!!!! You’re killing us! with laughter :)

  33. Rex the Wonder Dog! says:

    “Royal public” ? Skdog, what the F are you talkin about ? Police dont get to pick & choose who they defend or protect, what laws to uphold or ignore.
    ==
    Skippy is a con law authority- in his pea sized mind anyway.

  34. SeeSaw says:

    I was worried that the police wouldn’t kill him before he got any more LE officers and innocent civilians. The beautiful young couple and the two officers had no Miranda rights, or trials.

  35. Ted Steele, CEO says:

    Well said SeeSaw and ntheoc—- was so happy to see the guy whack himself. Greenhut and the dormant neo-posters drone on with their dull-normal anti guvment whines———-Those types have always made me laugh!

  36. Donkey says:

    Teddy Steals, all cowards “laugh” when confronted by real men bearing the truth. Yes, you little one.

    I was glad to see your LE RAGWUS buddy Dorner taken off the streets, but I admit I was a bit surprised at how badly the LAPD was so busy peeing themselves and shooting at everything that moved. It took the “red-necks”(seesaws name for Southerners) from the BK county of San Berido to do the dirty work of the crooked LAPD.

    It was the Keystone cops all over again watching and reading the stories as these costume-clad tax subsidized bafoons wet themselves shooting at women and vehicles that didn’t even match Dorner ride.

    What type of chicken liver-yellow belly weakling would defend such highly trained circus chimps wearing a badge, and behaving the way they did under stress. Their behavior only proves what what Rex has always stated, GED cops = GED results when it counts.

    I am sorry that the misanthrope Dorner was able to kill the people he did, but the LE system created the monster and then were unable to contain their creation. The LE cabal is out of control, the people need to be putting these nut-jobs before a jury and straighten out this house of fools. :)

  37. Ted Steele, CEO says:

    Poor Duncey—

    Sorry little buddy. I don’t actually read your entire rants. But thanks for playing!

    I wonder why you hate the cops so much? Do you have sort of….ah….well…..I don’t know how to ask this actually….but….ah…..a sort of……embarrassing rap sheet? Hmmmmm….. I’ve seen this before little buddy……Were you treated poorly by the big mean cops?

    LOL

    mmmmmmmmmmmmm spooky! It’s ok…….your Mom will be home soon……..

  38. SkippingDog says:

    If you look up something called “The Majestic We” you’ll understand how the concept applies to the public in the term “public service.” I thought at least some of the posters here had a sufficient education to know such terms.

    Apparently I overestimated your capabilities, Rye.

  39. SkippingDog says:

    Did you hear who just quit smoking? Christopher Dorner!

  40. NTHEOC says:

    Donkey says:
    Teddy Steals, all cowards “laugh” when confronted by real men bearing the truth.
    ======================
    LMAO!!!! Real men bearing the truth,hahahhahaahah!!! Btw, get your facts straight. The county of San Bernardino is not BK, The city of San Bernardino is going through BK. County has Sherrif’s and City is municipal PD. How can anyone take your comments seriously when you never have any FACTS!!!! hah.

  41. NTHEOC says:

    SkippingDog says:
    February 18, 2013 at 8:16 pm
    Did you hear who just quit smoking? Christopher Dorner!
    ===============================
    Oh,I just thought Dorner was Catholic? It looks like he stopped smoking for Lent!!!

  42. Donkey says:

    Teddy Steals, my rap sheet is non exsitant, but I am sure that if you had been charged for the crimes you have committed in your RAGWUS feeding position yours would be very long.

    Stick to the topic coward. The Keystone cops in the LAPD wet their pantys when threatened by a lone LE RAGWUS member. Shooting at women, men and moving vehicle in violation of our Constitution. Rex is right, GED cop = Idiot under pressure.

    Ntheoc, get back in bed and doze for your dollars you firewhiner parasite.

    We have seen these acts of cowardice by our panzies in blue many times over the years, the Rodney King riots, Katrina, the list is endless and goes from one debacle after another, yet even after hundreds of failures by the PS RAGWUS feeding cabal the citizens are supposed to believe they are a necessary asset for secure communities, not so. Cities like Irvine, Laguna, HB, and others are safe because the people are engaged in their cities and look out for their neighbors, not because of underworkered and overpaid PS RAGWUS feeders. :)

  43. SkippingDog says:

    Cities like Irving, Laguna and HB are relatively safer because they are wealthy communities. Jeez, for some guy who claims to have been both a bubblehead and an engineer the cause and effect shouldn’t be such a problem….

  44. Ted Steele, CEO says:

    1. Ntheoc—- Pretty funny tonight! Good job.
    2. Skippigdog—-well said.
    3. Duncey—- When you are ranting, please try to spell better.

    Oh my.

  45. Donkey says:

    I was clear on the cause and effect Skdog, wealthy is not the common thread, good people are what makes a good city.

    Now let us in on why PS RAGWUS feeders wet themselves when one of their own acted against the blue wall of silence? The highly trained circus chimps turned out to be wothless when put on the spot, highly is the wrong word for these bafoons.

    Teddy Steals = GED cop + tax feeding RAGWUS member(idiot savant) :)

  46. SkippingDog says:

    Are the people in Santa Ana, Long Beach, or even the fair city of Bell not good people, Donkey? It seems you have now decided that the good people are most likely the wealthy white people like yourself. Still pimping that old prosperity gospel?

  47. Ted Steele, CEO says:

    Duncey thinks I’m a cop. I love it.

    LE isn’t excited about the dead killer’s “acting against the blue wall of silence”….they get excited, or haven’t you noticed, when psychopathic killers are on the loose and killing little buddy. They always get worked up for that. Maybe you don’t have a tv? That’s one of the ugly things we ask them to handle so little men like yourself can be safe in your dingy single wides.

    lol

  48. Ted Steele, CEO says:

    Skipping Dog, you have poor Duncey’s number. Be kind……it’s like shooting ducks in a barrel. He’s not packing a full sea bag.

  49. Donkey says:

    Teddy Steals, the LE RAGWUS is full of psycopathic killers, but it seems that their latest nut-job caused more than a few to wet themselves, but that is to be expected, given their past history, whrn puch comes to shove. I will let you in on a secret Steals, I have trained many a cop in Ju-Jits, and I can asure you there is not one I have rolled with that could defend my interests better than I. No, I feel safe because of who I am, not some piss ant tax-funded parasite with a badge.

    Skdog, are all race-baiting bigots higher ups in the LE RAGWUS? You don’t have to be White to be good you race hustling fool. I am a half-breed you racist scum! :)

  50. Donkey says:

    Teddy Steals, change your diaper little man! :)

  51. NTHEOC says:

    Donkey says
    Cities like Irvine, Laguna, HB, and others are safe because the people are engaged in their cities and look out for their neighbors, not because of underworkered and overpaid PS RAGWUS feeders.
    ————————-
    Donkey mentions HB in his little manifesto about people against PS. But what he fails to mention again are the FACTS. And the FACT is the people of HB voted just this past November to keep a PENSION TAX in place for the second time supporting public safety members,hah!!!

  52. Donkey says:

    Ntheoc, the trusted little fire-whiner parasite RAGWUS feeder, a leech can always be counted on to defend others that are lunching on the same host. Now change your diaper little man. :)

  53. SkippingDog says:

    Hmmm, it seems the Donkey doth protest a bit too much. Feeling sensitive about your safe community filled with “good” white people?

    They say it’s hard to hate up close, Donk. Did you tell the cops you claim to have “trained” how much you detested them and everything they stand for? I’m betting you didn’t. You don’t have it in you to man up like that.

  54. Ted Steele, CEO says:

    Poor Duncey– delusions of adequacy again? Your seething anger tells alot about your frustration little buddy!

    I wonder what’s on your rap, or in your history that makes you so unusually angry at the Po-lice? Curious.

    Ju-Jits—-LMAO!

    Hurry— post again now!

  55. Ted Steele, CEO says:

    Skip– he’s not much of a man— more of the clerk-typist type.

  56. Donkey says:

    I pysically punished them Skdog, most of the wimps never even returned, some did, but they were the ones that would have never murdered a teenage girl in the middle of a park. It is clear that you would have never returned.

    Teddy Steals, it is an industry term, if you have no clue then you have no guts. :)

  57. SkippingDog says:

    Very good point, NTHEOC. The “good” people of Irvine, Laguna and HB seem to like their police and firefighters quite a lot. That’s been proven time and again by their financial support as well as in many conversations I’ve had with members of those communities over the past several decades.

    I’ve also found that the “good people” of other cities tend to respect and support their public safety people. Most of them recognize the contributions those employees make to their safety and that of their families. There are always the exceptions, apparently like Donkey, but most sane people continue to respect, support, and even love their public safety officers and firefighters.

    If not, there wouldn’t be so many TV shows about us.

    I’ll bet Donkey is a secret fan of Bluebloods and NCIS. Go on, Donkey. You’re among “friends” and can admit your vices.

    My personal favorites were always Emergency! and Chips, but that may have been the buddy/partner thing….

  58. Donkey says:

    Get rid of that soiled diaper Teddy Steals!! :)

  59. NTHEOC says:

    Correct me if I’m wrong Donkey, but you once said you have a son or 2 that is in the military? Do your RAGWUS leech sons approve of your opinions?

  60. SkippingDog says:

    Donkey: “Is that a yawara in your pocket, officer? Can I touch it?”

  61. Donkey says:

    I don’t watch TV Skdog, I go to the movies, consult, travel and read. :)

  62. SkippingDog says:

    Donkey has at various times claimed he has up to 6 sons, and that one of them is an FBI agent. He’s also claimed he is a UCLA trained engineer, the successful owner of an engineering company, lives in a house overlooking the beach near the water tower in Huntington Beach, served on a nuclear submarine, and numerous other fantastic adventures. Oh, and he’s also a black belt martial arts expert.

    Did I miss any of your claims, Donk?

  63. Donkey says:

    Being in the military does not qualify as a RAGWUS feeder Ntheoc, it is in relation to California only, but hell you only have a GED. :(

  64. SkippingDog says:

    The movies, consulting, travel and reading, Donk? Sounds more like you’re unemployed.

  65. Donkey says:

    I thought you didn’t read my rants Skdog? I see we can add liar to your coward award.

    You left out my playing running back and wrestling. Amazing what one can do in the private sector, when one is not a trough feeding parasite. :)

  66. Donkey says:

    I’ve been retired for years now SKdog, add that to your hit list. :)

  67. Donkey says:

    And I still do ju-jits, but I must admit, there are some motivated kids out their in their twenties that can kick some butt. :)

  68. SkippingDog says:

    It’s Ted Steele that doesn’t bother to read your rants, Donk. I read them for their entertainment value.

    Oh yeah, running back and wrestler – you bet. Does your FBI agent son support your anti-government tirades? I’m surprised anyone growing up in your house could pass a security review to get into the Navy, much less the FBI.

    No, Donkey, the BS meter redlines every time you make another one of your claims. It’s smoking right now.

  69. SkippingDog says:

    I’ve been retired for years too, so we do have one thing in common.

  70. NTHEOC says:

    Wow Donkey,you are one angry guy! It’s not healthy buddy.

  71. SkippingDog says:

    Donkey, I’m trying to decide if you’re the Zelig or the Forrest Gump of CalWatchDog. I’m leaning toward Zelig right now, but might still be convinced otherwise.

  72. Donkey says:

    No one would expect a person that accepts the murder of children by agents of the state to have a rational psychological make-up Skdog, thus your inability to see the truth in others.

    It is typical practice of the LE RAGWUS to bend the truth, fib, make up stories, and out and out lie in their day to day assults on the American citizen. You are so consummed by your acts in LE that the Murder of Ashly MacDonald, Doug Zerby, the shooting of the woman in Steven’s story, along with countless other violent assults by your Preatorian brothers in blue that your Pavlovian response is to defend the indefensible.

    The truth hurts Skdog, you are a coward hiding behind an organization that sanctions the murder of teenage girls, you have no shame, or moral values.

    I have always thought of you as the Steven Robert Deck type of LE feeder. :)

  73. Donkey says:

    Skdog, what you find out about yourself as we pass through life is telling of your moral fiber. You are of the belief that holding a person down is the proper exertion of your strength, I am of the belief that extending a hand and pulling one up is the proper role of our humanity.

    It is clear that the defense of your cabal is of the upmost improtance to you, which makes you a very dangerous person when confronted with facts about the acts of the people in your cabal. :)

  74. SkippingDog says:

    I just love it when you start describing your local police as a “cabal.” You are clearly delusional.

  75. Ted Steele, CEO says:

    Poor Ju-jitsy Duncey–the Forest Gump of CWD! Man you have had an agitated 12 hours.
    3 questions-

    1. Did you get ANY sleep?

    2. Are you taking your meds?

    3. Did you wake up yet again today in your single wide, jealous of the retired parks dept guy who lives in the house across from your trailer park?

  76. Nancy Lewis says:

    CHP Walling and Coffman found guilty of excessive use of force. Coverup by DA office, Highway Patrol, Sheriff Gaurdiman lied on stand. Both CHP in court had differnet stories. Doctor on stand testified Joey was shot in leg 2 minutes before fatal shots to head. It was a 2 minute chase and Sheriff Gaurdiman came to families house and said there was a altercation when they first came up on Joey , NOT DRIVING, OUT OF HIS TRUCK. CHP FIRST REPORTED THAT jOEY WAS DRIVING AND THEY TRIED TO PULL HIM OVER!!! All lies! Thank God that the jury and the judge, for finding them guilty. But quess what, these 2 officers are out there protecting the public. Pray they don’t pull over your son and make things happen at the end of their shift, for large amounts of overtime! God Bless Joey Pinasco!

  77. Ted Steele, CEO says:

    It happens Nancy— I remember years ago the CHP dude who shot a motorist to death during a car stop and then switched out the barrel of his gun to avoid detection, was that Gwaltney?

    Anyway—- thank God we live in America– the system worked and the hard working gov employee judge ran a squared away trial and got the crook!

  78. Nancy Lewis says:

    Look up the salary and overtime for CHP Walling and Coffman. Then look up their sargent at CHP in charge of their overtime for killing Joey. After the trial Sargeant Abracronbie’s salary doubled, what would make a sargeant in the Stockton office double her salary in one year? I have witnessed her on the stand and she lies and covers up for these two. Why can’t someone do something about this. Officers should not have the incentive to make things happen at the end of their shift and collect overtime for killing someone! When there is a officer involed shooting, NO Officer should be compensated with large amounts of overtime while at the hospital with your child, and at their coverup meetings with their sargeants! How can our children trust again when we have this type of corruption going on in our Law inforcement. I trusted the law until my eyes were open the morning Joey was killed. And I will never forget the screams of his sister that morning of the shooting. And watch the family praying at his grave. And I will never forget the smirks in the court room as these two officers laughed and flirted with women present. How can they even smile again, when Joey’s mother, father and sisters will find it hard to smaile again. God bless you Joey!

  79. NTHEOC says:

    Nancy Lewis, sounds like this criminal brought on the actions himself. All of this could have been avoided had the criminal just pulled over. Why was he running from the police? This criminal could have killed someone’s family!!!!!!! The officers are still working and sounds like another frivolous lawsuit paid out to the criminals family.
    —————————————————-
    CHP responded in the early hours of Aug. 24, 2008, to reports of street racing. Pinasco, who had been drinking with friends that night, was sitting in a parked pickup in the vicinity of the purported racing. As the officers approached in their car, he pulled away and led them on a high-speed chase. The pickup spun out of control on a dirt road and got stuck in a ditch in a rural area of eastern San Joaquin County.
    Walling and Coffman exited their car and drew their guns. Pinasco was still seated behind the steering wheel of the truck and, as Walling approached, he started accelerating and rocking the pickup in an attempt to escape the ditch.

  80. Donkey says:

    TedSteals = GED RAGWUS feeding fool, sorry Ted but I live right on the beach in Sunset, I have a view of the Seal Beach NWS. :)

  81. Nancy Lewis says:

    I was in the court room every day, were you? I saw the evidence did you? Or do you believe the lies that the cops tell the media. The jury and the judge found them guilty. Also did you know the state could not use the alchol content in this trial. The judge, before the jury enterted the room spoke with the states CHP attorney in front of everyone in the courtroom, but not the jury. There was evidence that a beer can was in the truck not one drip spilled out as Joey crashed in the ditch and could have been planted.. Pinasco’s attorney had evidence that Joey’s blood alchol could have been tampered with at the lab. The state CHP attorney agreed that they didn’t want to let this evidence out. So they didn’t use the achohol against Joey. Joey was 21 years old and legal to go have a drink with friends. I wish you could have known Joey. He had nothing to do with the street racing a mile down the road. Both officers a testified in court that they thought he might have been an informate for the street racers. Joey was out of his truck , Joey was shot in his Left leg, this was the first shot 2 minutes before the fatal shot to the head. There were no bullets in the door, so Joey was outside his truck when this happened. Then twenty three more shots. The doctor testified that the CHP Walling was at close range through the passenger window when he shot the fatal shot to the head. The second shot killed Joey, why so many more through the front window? Also there was evidence supporting Joey never was traveling at the CHP, but away from CHP. His truck never moved more the 1/4 mile an hour away from the CHP into fence. If you know someone is trying to kill and CHP had the intent to kill you to coverup what happened earlier. I’m sure you would try to get home to the safety of your family less then a 1/4 mile away. This was all evidence shown to the jury. And yes the CHP had their version. But who did 12 jurors and the judge believe? Not the CHP. I don’t want to argue with you. Corruption does exist, and I pray that more people open their eyes. Maybe it will save officers Lifes and our inicent children. I will pray for you also, it sounds like you might need some prays. God Bless Joey. The dead coannot fight for Justice it’s up to the living to do so for them. Joey was never convicted of anything and the CHP are not the judge and jury. CHP Coffman and Walling were convicted of Battery and excessive force, by a judge and jury. The family did what they had to do to get justice to Joey. Just because the DA is corrupt along with the Sheriff doesn’t make it right! Who are the criminals here?

  82. Donkey says:

    Nancy, I have no doubt that Joey was murdered unjustly, it happens all the time at the hands of LE officers. Kelly Thomas, Doug Zerby, Ashley MacDonald, Kenneth Trentadue, and thousands of other Americans have been murdered when they came in contact with the costume wearing bearers of state sponsered killings.

    Until we have civilian review boards with the power to fire and correct the policies of the police their actions will not change, or we can do what the Founders intended and put government officers that maim, beat, abuse, and murder citizens before a jury and they can decide if the police have to power to play God with the lives of our friends and family. :)

  83. SkippingDog says:

    I’m sure you don’t know this, Donkey, but jurisdictions that have police review boards make findings in favor of the officer’s actions at a higher rate that jurisdictions that conduct their investigations through an Internal Affairs or Professional Standards Unit.

    The good citizens who make up civilian police review oversight boards are far more likely to justify the actions of law enforcement officers in force incidents than even other law enforcement officers are.

    Do some of your own research if you want to know the basis of the comparisons. In my working days, I would have been more than happy to appear before a civilian police review board. They are far less likely to second guess an officer than IA or Professional Standards investigators, and appreciate the risks faced by their officers every day.

    Some food for your limited thought process.

  84. Ted Steele, CEO says:

    Poor Duncey………man that’s a load of anger and frustration little buddy!

  85. NTHEOC says:

    Nancy Lewis,
    Why would your friend joey flee the police? When he spun the truck and came to a stop,why did he continue to try and flee by driving toward the police? These are all criminal actions that led to your friends fate! You sound like one of those mothers of GANGBANGERS being interviewed on the news””HE WAS A GOOD BOY””,””HE WASN’T IN NO GANG””!!But you can see $$$$$$$ signs in their eyes.

  86. Donkey says:

    Skdog, you hold abso;utely no edge when it comes to knowledge. Even the current civilian review boards need to be overhauled and random citizens installed in the same manner are jurors. People should be chosen that have no ties to the PS RAGWUS and no conflict of interests. It is easy to see, that like the typical PS investigation the exsiting CRB’s are nothing by a sham and have no real power. The best protection against LE corruption is to bring the sadistic sociopaths of LE before a jury everytime a citizen is killed, maimed, beat, assulted, in this way the public can be better assured that people other than inbred feral sadists of the LE PIC have seen the evidence and made a rational conclusion.

    The only changes you are looking for Skdog is more power and secrecy, and of course, murder on demand for your brothers. :)

  87. Donkey says:

    Teddy, I can roll with a partner for twenty minutes, waiting for him to make a mistake I can take advantage of, I don’t get angry, the truth sounds angry to you little man. :)

  88. Donkey says:

    Ntheoc, taking another indefensible position, nothing new, feed the PS RAGWUS feeder, right. :)

  89. SkippingDog says:

    Why would you want to take any law enforcement officer before a jury if they haven’t committed a crime, Donkey? Like it or not, law enforcement officers have the unique responsibility to apply force – even deadly force – in the name of and for the protection of both our fellow citizens and the government of the nation to which we bear allegiance.

    You are simply one of those people who would be dissatisfied with any and every practical review system for the use of force by public officers. There are many different models currently in use, even in California. Some jurisdictions use the Grand Jury to review police shootings. Some use the process of a Coroner’s Inquest. Most use the locally elected District Attorney’s office as the review agency, since DA’s are the chief law officer of their county and have state constitutional authority over all criminal charging decisions within their jurisdiction.

    None of those will ever function as the kangaroo court anarchists like yourself want, so you’ll be eternally unhappy. Just don’t let your unhappiness turn into a violent outburst though, because I’m sure you would be just the type to do something really stupid when your local law enforcement authorities arrive at your doorstep to ask some questions.

  90. Donkey says:

    Skdog, stop lying to yourself, the very fact that LE commits crimes against individuals everyday is enough to put them before the people. We have allowed your organization to usurp our Constitutional rights, and hi-jack our bureaucracies of justice to create the largest PIC the world has ever seen, right here in our nation.

    The review system is flawed, the people in these systems are loyal to LE and almost never side with the non-connected citizens, even when the eveidence is overwhelming that the officer is a bad seed. They would rather pay out millions than jail a crooked cop and stain your tax funded cabal.

    “Kangaroo court,” very funny after watching your Keystone cops wet themselves during the Dorner affair, and should I mention all the phony inveatigations that happen everyday in your fantasy world.

    The sad part about the PS RAGWUS is that the tens of millions of citizens that have been dragged through your Gulag are going to be the people that change your cabal, just like the budget, you are bringing your own wicked organization to its demise by making so many unjustified arrests and imprisoning so many citizens. :)

  91. Donkey says:

    Skdog, your defense of Parker and Randle in the murder of Ashley MacDonald leaves no doubt that your moral compass is skewed so badly that GPS would have no impact in correcting your course.

    The American citizen is protected from the abuse your cabal wages against them everyday by the Constitution of hte United States. Your Klan in blue may hold all the cards as of now, but as history has proven time and again, people always go back and start over. :)

  92. Ted Steele, CEO says:

    We need more articles like this one out here on CWD. It really smokes out the non-critical thinkers like BobA and Duncey.

  93. Ted Steele, CEO says:

    Duncey wrote–

    “The American citizen is protected from the abuse your cabal wages against them everyday by the Constitution of hte United States.”

    Duncey boy– I thought you said Obama took the Constitution away? LOL Oh man the hubris and inconsistency!

  94. Donkey says:

    Teddy Steals, don’t lie! I have never written that “Obama took the constitution away.”

    I have howerver written that LE investigations are “choreographed charades,” and that “RAGWUS feeders are parasites.”

    What are your thoughts on the LE weenies wetting themselves over the Dorner debacle Steals?

    Did you know we have the largest Prison Industrial Complex(PIC) in the world within our borders? That’s right, you have helped create the PIC!! :)

  95. Ted Steele, CEO says:

    Poor Duncey— I never get tired of reducing you to nothing in……one sentence!

    lol

    Oh MY!!

  96. Donkey says:

    I love it when a coward runs from the truth, as my friend Teddy Steals always slinks when confronted, such a tiny man is he!! :)

  97. Donkey says:

    This is for the Teddy Steals and Skdog RAGWUS feeders: Poem by Wislawa Szymborska, winner of the 1996 Nobel Prize in Literature translated from Polish into English:
    “IN Praise of Feeling Bad About Yourself”
    The buzzard never says it is to blame.
    The panther wouldn’t know what scruples mean.
    When the piranha strikes, it feels no shame.
    If snakes had hands, they’d claim their hands were clean.
    A jackal doesn’t understand remorse.
    Lions and lice don’t waver in their course.
    Why should they when they know they’re right?
    Though hearts of killer whales may weigh a ton,
    in every other way they’re light.
    On this third planet of the sun
    among the signs of bestiality
    a clear conscience is Number One. :)

  98. Skippingdog says:

    Sounds like you’re suffering from clinical depression, Donkey. You should talk to your doctor about it. Otherwise, you’ll spend all of your time fuming inside, seeing bleakness all around your meaningless life, watching bad French movies and posting for your friends on CalWatchDog.

    Get some help. You need it.

  99. The Modified Ted Steele Methodologies (tm) says:

    Oh Duncey– I’m still here little buddy! Never fear.

    Speaking of fear—-I think Skips post above is right on the money—Your fear based view of the world around you has taken hold on you little friend. You may very well want to chat with a pro about the clinical picture– it could be depression or maybe your personality disorder, (which we all you know you have of course), has truly begun to interfere with everyday life?

    Just a thought……are you taking your meds? Honestly?

  100. Donkey says:

    LOL!!! To my two stooge RAGWUS buddies!! Heres to the end of your evil RAGWUS empire my pernicious friends of PS. :)

  101. Donkey says:

    Don’t you enlightened PS RAGWUS feeders like Nobel Prize winners? You don’t like Obama? :)

  102. The Modified Ted Steele Methodologies (tm) says:

    Poor Duncey— I thought you didn’t like it when I go away? That’s what you said?

    LOL

    I guess Skip hit the nail on the head, huh, little buddy?
    I bet there are other people in your life telling you the same thing huh?

    Nite nite!!!! LOL

  103. Donkey says:

    LOL! The troll RAGWUS feeder can not answer a question, so sad, you have given GED another meaning! ;)

  104. SkippingDog says:

    The Nobel Prize for literature is a remarkable achievement for any writer, but it’s not the same thing as the Peace Prize.

    My personal favorite writers who have earned the Nobel were Beckett and Faulkner. Given your dark proclivities, Donkey, I’m surprised your favorite Nobel literature laureates are not Camus and Sartre.

    I always liked Buck’s writing as well, and The Good Earth is a towering work that everyone should read at least twice. She also had the wonderful insight that, “Order is the shape upon which beauty depends.” She wasn’t an anarchist like you, Donkey.

  105. The Modified Ted Steele Methodologies (tm) says:

    Good choices Skipper! As a Californian til the end I LOVE Steinbeck– I think I’ve read almost every word he wrote….

  106. Donkey says:

    Teddy Steals, you have to be able to remember waht you read, for it to count.

    Skdog, the Nobel Peace Prize means you had to do little to nothing, as in hte case of your man Obama. The prize for literture shows that an origibnal idea was forth coming. :)

  107. SkippingDog says:

    Travels with Charley is the best ever, and Grapes, Eden, Mice are clearly the works of a supreme master, so I’ll agree that he’s in my top 5, along with Hemingway of course.

  108. SkippingDog says:

    You know, Donkey, even I will agree that the Nobel Peace Prize awarded to President Obama was a bit premature. I suspect he would also agree with that assessment, since you never hear him or anyone in his administration or campaigns refer to the award.

    It may well be that he will still do something to earn his Nobel, either during his current term of office or afterward. Since President Obama will be one of the youngest former presidents in our history, he’ll have ample time to pursue worthwhile goals and projects befitting his capabilities and the better angels of our nature.

  109. The Modified Ted Steele Methodologies (tm) says:

    Skip– Travels is a great book— I liked all of em– but Pastures of Heaven, if you have not read it, is his sort of metaphysical work—-set in the sam area as his big books– Big Sur , Santa Lucia mountains—try it—I also liked Bombs Away–To a God Unknown and The Long Valley—-I collect first editions——

  110. SkippingDog says:

    I will definitely read Pastures with such a fine recommendation. Thanks!

  111. The Modified Ted Steele Methodologies (tm) says:

    de nada!

  112. The Modified Ted Steele Methodologies (tm) says:

    I know I spanked the Poodle pretty hard, but where is he? (spanked the Poodle….that sounds wrong)

  113. Donkey says:

    Teddy Steals wrote: “spanked the Poodle….that sounds wrong,” It sounds just about right for everything you write dude!! LOL :)

  114. The Modified Ted Steele Methodologies (tm) says:

    Duncey— I thought you and the Poodle were buddies? Don’t you guys live in the same trailer park? Can you please go over to his trailer and check on him? I am concerned! And try not to do any ju jits (lol) on him tough guy.n lolol

  115. Donkey says:

    Teddy Steals, It is everything you write! LOL!! :)

    Rex and I agree on many topics, but not all topics. I am sure him and I would be great friends, dispite our age difference.

    I live in Sunset Steals, come on by, I’ll teach you some manners! ;)

  116. The Modified Ted Steele Methodologies (tm) says:

    LOl—–Oh my an internet tough guy! Love it! Ya know, I almost believe Sunset Beach because you picked a sort of dumpy town that we would all believe, but it is very clear that you live probably in the high desert,or maybe Moreno Valley in a trailer. My bet is a single wide. The rent is killing you because you’re broke. You wish you could retire but that space rent still has you working a shift at Walmart, if you’re employed at all.

    Sorry little buddy, we see right through you.

    and YOU
    Are
    LOL
    Yes.

  117. Donkey says:

    Teddy Steals, now we see RAGWUS envy at its finest. I have been retired for just over two years, sold a house in Marina Delray a couple of years ago, along with my business. The “trailer” I live in at Sunset is worth more money than you have ever had, and it is covered by prop 13, which really pisses you RAGWUS feeders off. LOL!! :)

  118. SkippingDog says:

    Isn’t the area where you live by the old water tower really baja Seal Beach or Westminster, Donkey?

  119. SkippingDog says:

    When I grew up we called your area “Tin Can Beach.” Then again, people still hunted at the old Bolsa Chica duck club in those days.

  120. SkippingDog says:

    I did always enjoy Sam’s Seafood and the old Glider Inn….

  121. NTHEOC says:

    Donkey still thinks he lives in sunset beach. The city of Huntington Beach annexed Sunset last year!! How ya like all those new taxes donk? I especially like the PENSION TAX you pay!!!!lol. Don’t worry donk, those new taxes are going toward all services your old city has been getting for free all these years! I’ m sure you will be dissapointed to see the majority of all those weed shops get closed down. Hey donk, next time you look down at that property tax bill and come across Pension tax, think of all the wonderful retired people you are supporting!!!!!!!!!

  122. Donkey says:

    Skdog, I used to work at Sams back in 1972, now its Dons Beachcomber. I do visit Captain Jacks a lot, Woodies and Harry’s.

    It’s all HB now, I can’t stand HB.

    Ntheoc, I pay little in taxes, I am retired with my money tied up in a trust and my property is covered by prop 13. I splurge when I want, but pay out as little as possible. I will not shed a tear when the RAGWUS fails, and takes you with it!!! :)

  123. Donkey says:

    I remember “tin can Beach” trash piled everywhere. :)

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