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		By: Wayne Lusvardi		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2010/01/28/new-nature-violates-clean-water-act/#comment-148</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 02:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[RESPONSE TO &quot;DFB&#039;S&quot; COMMENT ABOVE

I thank DFB for his comments.
There is no reasonable nexus between Northrop Grumman&#039;s industrial contamination and the natural or unintentional accumulation of natural selenium from WQA&#039;s cleanup project.  So Northrup should NOT have to fund superordinary cleanup of selenium.  All the consequences of the cleanup activities are probably not foreseeable in any event.  If one bird is now found dead (from natural causes) in the San Gabriel River Channel and the media photographs this &quot;normal&quot; death, it may be blown up into a &quot;selenium poisoned&quot; bird death. Any extraordinary cleanup measures ordered by EPA should be funded by EPA.  Moreover, not only man, but nature, concentrates natural substances so they are potentially harmful to wildlife.  For example, a low level of perchlorate may have been deposited in Southern California when there were inland seas covering the land.  EPA comes along a thousand years later and blames industry.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RESPONSE TO &#8220;DFB&#8217;S&#8221; COMMENT ABOVE</p>
<p>I thank DFB for his comments.<br />
There is no reasonable nexus between Northrop Grumman&#8217;s industrial contamination and the natural or unintentional accumulation of natural selenium from WQA&#8217;s cleanup project.  So Northrup should NOT have to fund superordinary cleanup of selenium.  All the consequences of the cleanup activities are probably not foreseeable in any event.  If one bird is now found dead (from natural causes) in the San Gabriel River Channel and the media photographs this &#8220;normal&#8221; death, it may be blown up into a &#8220;selenium poisoned&#8221; bird death. Any extraordinary cleanup measures ordered by EPA should be funded by EPA.  Moreover, not only man, but nature, concentrates natural substances so they are potentially harmful to wildlife.  For example, a low level of perchlorate may have been deposited in Southern California when there were inland seas covering the land.  EPA comes along a thousand years later and blames industry.</p>
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		By: Wayne Lusvardi		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2010/01/28/new-nature-violates-clean-water-act/#comment-147</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 02:42:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[RESPONSE BY &quot;dfb&quot; POSTED AT AQUAFORNIA ON JAN. 29, 2010:
I disagree with Wayne in two regards.
First, it is better to delay a little and get it right the first time than institute a plan that turns out to be wrong and costs more money in the end. The last thing SGV Water, Long Beach, California, or the EPA wants or needs are unintended consequences due to the accumulation and bioaccumulation of selenium. That was the issue with Kesterson and remains an issue in the San Joaquin Valley.
Second, the fact that selenium was not taken account of is an issue that is spread around all the various agencies on the local, state, and federal levels. Selenium is a known potential issue in California and should have been included in the earlier studies. It is not that mother nature violates the Clean Water Act, it is the actions of people who modify mother nature to our needs and whims and cause an element or compound from one place where it is harmless to move to another location where it can do a ton of damage. The laws and regulations are in place to limit such issues to occur in a vacuum. Hence the delay that will occur to make sure the agencies and downstream municipalities all understand the risks involved. :-)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RESPONSE BY &#8220;dfb&#8221; POSTED AT AQUAFORNIA ON JAN. 29, 2010:<br />
I disagree with Wayne in two regards.<br />
First, it is better to delay a little and get it right the first time than institute a plan that turns out to be wrong and costs more money in the end. The last thing SGV Water, Long Beach, California, or the EPA wants or needs are unintended consequences due to the accumulation and bioaccumulation of selenium. That was the issue with Kesterson and remains an issue in the San Joaquin Valley.<br />
Second, the fact that selenium was not taken account of is an issue that is spread around all the various agencies on the local, state, and federal levels. Selenium is a known potential issue in California and should have been included in the earlier studies. It is not that mother nature violates the Clean Water Act, it is the actions of people who modify mother nature to our needs and whims and cause an element or compound from one place where it is harmless to move to another location where it can do a ton of damage. The laws and regulations are in place to limit such issues to occur in a vacuum. Hence the delay that will occur to make sure the agencies and downstream municipalities all understand the risks involved. 🙂</p>
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