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		By: Æ		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Æ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 18:55:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@TTS - and when Californians are poorer, after high energy costs increase the prices of everything, where will we be? The poorest will be the most impacted. Small businesses, which are the engines of innovation and job creation, will be more impacted than the large, evil corporations you likely fear and rightly distrust.
Can you provide a link detailing the claim of $50 billion of private money please? Most of those &quot;green&quot; jobs would not exist without heavy subsidies. Doesn&#039;t he fact that they must be subsidized suggest that the technologies are not viable at this time? There are some recent publications that support this position. The Heartland Institute recently referenced a study showing wind power to be 75% more expensive than coal, and solar photovoltaic to be 887% more expensive (without subsidies).  The Heritage Foundation just released a study on green jobs. It found that: “increased energy prices would cost jobs elsewhere in the economy, cancelling out the increase in green jobs.” I suggest you review them.
1. The Cap &#038; Trade Handbook. 2009 http://www.heartland.org/books/PDFs/CapTrade.pdf
2. Green Jobs: Environmental Red Tape Cancels Out Job Creation. February 2010
http://www.heritage.org/Research/EnergyandEnvironment/wm2795.cfm]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@TTS &#8211; and when Californians are poorer, after high energy costs increase the prices of everything, where will we be? The poorest will be the most impacted. Small businesses, which are the engines of innovation and job creation, will be more impacted than the large, evil corporations you likely fear and rightly distrust.<br />
Can you provide a link detailing the claim of $50 billion of private money please? Most of those &#8220;green&#8221; jobs would not exist without heavy subsidies. Doesn&#8217;t he fact that they must be subsidized suggest that the technologies are not viable at this time? There are some recent publications that support this position. The Heartland Institute recently referenced a study showing wind power to be 75% more expensive than coal, and solar photovoltaic to be 887% more expensive (without subsidies).  The Heritage Foundation just released a study on green jobs. It found that: “increased energy prices would cost jobs elsewhere in the economy, cancelling out the increase in green jobs.” I suggest you review them.<br />
1. The Cap &amp; Trade Handbook. 2009 <a href="http://www.heartland.org/books/PDFs/CapTrade.pdf" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.heartland.org/books/PDFs/CapTrade.pdf</a><br />
2. Green Jobs: Environmental Red Tape Cancels Out Job Creation. February 2010<br />
<a href="http://www.heritage.org/Research/EnergyandEnvironment/wm2795.cfm" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.heritage.org/Research/EnergyandEnvironment/wm2795.cfm</a></p>
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		By: Gayle Kindall		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2010/03/05/new-initiative-targets-cap-and-trade/#comment-431</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gayle Kindall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 07:23:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[how do we keep ab32 suspended&#062;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>how do we keep ab32 suspended&gt;</p>
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		By: C Walker		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2010/03/05/new-initiative-targets-cap-and-trade/#comment-430</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[C Walker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 23:22:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This initiative will likely cost Logue his seat. That is the only potential positive outcome.

The fact that the initiative is finance by a grand total of TWO entities should tell you all you need to know.

The fact that they are not headquartered in CA tells you even more than you need to know.

The fact that the title submitted was completely tossed because it is NOT a jobs bill tells you how misleading the sponsors will be while gathering signatures.

Goodbye Assemblyperson Logue. You can always find a job in NEVADA. OH, but that dog and pony show, as Dan at the SACBEE CALLED IT, perhaps you may go to the location of your financial compatriots.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This initiative will likely cost Logue his seat. That is the only potential positive outcome.</p>
<p>The fact that the initiative is finance by a grand total of TWO entities should tell you all you need to know.</p>
<p>The fact that they are not headquartered in CA tells you even more than you need to know.</p>
<p>The fact that the title submitted was completely tossed because it is NOT a jobs bill tells you how misleading the sponsors will be while gathering signatures.</p>
<p>Goodbye Assemblyperson Logue. You can always find a job in NEVADA. OH, but that dog and pony show, as Dan at the SACBEE CALLED IT, perhaps you may go to the location of your financial compatriots.</p>
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		By: TheTruthSquad		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2010/03/05/new-initiative-targets-cap-and-trade/#comment-429</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 22:47:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Excuse me...Redlands or Taft.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excuse me&#8230;Redlands or Taft.</p>
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		By: TheTruthSquad		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2010/03/05/new-initiative-targets-cap-and-trade/#comment-428</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 22:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wendy -- You should check with the council of Redlands or Costa Mesa. Both are supportive of AB32 and have figured it out.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wendy &#8212; You should check with the council of Redlands or Costa Mesa. Both are supportive of AB32 and have figured it out.</p>
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		By: Wendy Leece		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2010/03/05/new-initiative-targets-cap-and-trade/#comment-427</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wendy Leece]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 22:29:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Implementation of the regulations--by non elected officials (CARB) is taking away the land use rights of local elected officials to plan their cities.  As Mayor Pro Tem of the City of Costa Mesa our staff is spending hours trying to figure out how the new regs will have to be implemented.  We will have to change our General Plan because of the new regulations.  Developers will pay more fees.  Forget new single family dwelligs--it will be too expensive.  For example, new homes will have to have fire sprinkler systems.  We need to support this initiative and save jobs.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Implementation of the regulations&#8211;by non elected officials (CARB) is taking away the land use rights of local elected officials to plan their cities.  As Mayor Pro Tem of the City of Costa Mesa our staff is spending hours trying to figure out how the new regs will have to be implemented.  We will have to change our General Plan because of the new regulations.  Developers will pay more fees.  Forget new single family dwelligs&#8211;it will be too expensive.  For example, new homes will have to have fire sprinkler systems.  We need to support this initiative and save jobs.</p>
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		By: Tom Tanton		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2010/03/05/new-initiative-targets-cap-and-trade/#comment-426</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Tanton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 19:06:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s almost funny that Brown gave the title such bias against &quot;large polluters&quot; when AB32&#039;s major (billions and billions) of economic harm is on poor and minority communities.  All for ZERO (well, maybe 0.005 degree) change.  Green jobs?  Never mind..gain one, lose 2 1/2. EVERY independent economic analysis (independent of CARB buying the analysis) shows HUGE (billions) of lost economic activity anad millions of lost jobs.
Forget to check your tires?...bring a toothbrush, you&#039;ll spend the night in jail.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s almost funny that Brown gave the title such bias against &#8220;large polluters&#8221; when AB32&#8217;s major (billions and billions) of economic harm is on poor and minority communities.  All for ZERO (well, maybe 0.005 degree) change.  Green jobs?  Never mind..gain one, lose 2 1/2. EVERY independent economic analysis (independent of CARB buying the analysis) shows HUGE (billions) of lost economic activity anad millions of lost jobs.<br />
Forget to check your tires?&#8230;bring a toothbrush, you&#8217;ll spend the night in jail.</p>
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		By: TheTruthSquad		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2010/03/05/new-initiative-targets-cap-and-trade/#comment-425</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TheTruthSquad]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 23:38:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Katy, I&#039;m not surprised that you didn&#039;t mention that the reason this initiative is on the ballot is that two Texas-based oil companies are ponying up the money to get it there. They also happen to be two of the largest polluters in the state and have been heavily fined for their disregard for the air you breathe in northern California.

I AM surprised that you don&#039;t mention the numerous critiques of the study you cite from economists at Stanford, UC Berkeley and other institutions. Even the author himself backed off of it in the Sacramento Business Journal this week.

I AM also surprised that you totally misrepresent the Pew Survey. It doesn&#039;t ask if it&#039;s a concern, it asks if it&#039;s a top priority. And given the economy, it&#039;s not surprising that global warming doesn&#039;t top the list. That it makes the list at all is significant.

I think you were in the audience when Republican pollster Frank Luntz came out strongly in favor of climate change reason -- largely because a question of energy security.

We also have more than 3,000 clean tech businesses in our state and $50 billion of private investment in clean energy -- those are REAL jobs. The Valero/Logue initiative will kill our chances to boost our economic pie. In fact, in this recession, this sector is the fastest-growing one.

Your articles would be more credible if they actually had some balance to them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Katy, I&#8217;m not surprised that you didn&#8217;t mention that the reason this initiative is on the ballot is that two Texas-based oil companies are ponying up the money to get it there. They also happen to be two of the largest polluters in the state and have been heavily fined for their disregard for the air you breathe in northern California.</p>
<p>I AM surprised that you don&#8217;t mention the numerous critiques of the study you cite from economists at Stanford, UC Berkeley and other institutions. Even the author himself backed off of it in the Sacramento Business Journal this week.</p>
<p>I AM also surprised that you totally misrepresent the Pew Survey. It doesn&#8217;t ask if it&#8217;s a concern, it asks if it&#8217;s a top priority. And given the economy, it&#8217;s not surprising that global warming doesn&#8217;t top the list. That it makes the list at all is significant.</p>
<p>I think you were in the audience when Republican pollster Frank Luntz came out strongly in favor of climate change reason &#8212; largely because a question of energy security.</p>
<p>We also have more than 3,000 clean tech businesses in our state and $50 billion of private investment in clean energy &#8212; those are REAL jobs. The Valero/Logue initiative will kill our chances to boost our economic pie. In fact, in this recession, this sector is the fastest-growing one.</p>
<p>Your articles would be more credible if they actually had some balance to them.</p>
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		By: EastBayLarry		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2010/03/05/new-initiative-targets-cap-and-trade/#comment-424</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[EastBayLarry]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 23:21:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[California politicians were so eager to be early adopters of the Man-Made Global Warming hysteria that they pushed this crock through quickly.

Well now that even IPCC big-wigs are admitting that there has been no warming for a decade or more, we&#039;re all stuck with this job killer legislation.

I&#039;m all for repealing this law by whatever means it can be done.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>California politicians were so eager to be early adopters of the Man-Made Global Warming hysteria that they pushed this crock through quickly.</p>
<p>Well now that even IPCC big-wigs are admitting that there has been no warming for a decade or more, we&#8217;re all stuck with this job killer legislation.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m all for repealing this law by whatever means it can be done.</p>
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