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		By: Mae		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2010/05/28/unions-use-malleable-sidhu-to-flex-power/#comment-1299</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2012 04:28:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I voted for a union at Western IL Univ where I taught, as a cqnseouence of a Very Flawed evaluation system which was determining how raises were administered. I knew this from having served on the committee that did the evaluating for a number of years. both at the Department and the College level. It was difficult, complicated, and not really satisfactory. We did our best, as everyone I served with cared very much to try to be as impartial as humanly possible. Besides, it wasn&#039;t worth having people not speak to you for periods of time, especially when the decisions made were questionable from my perspective.So when the idea of a union was floated to help in obtaining justifiable increases for the professors I began to consider it. Especially since the individual who was fighting for having a union was a very good friend of mine and I respected her intelligence and motives. She was first president for a number of years and I personally thought she did a very good job and was fair in her dealing with that responsibility. She was co-ordinater of the system, and didn&#039;t make any evaluative decisions herself.One instance of it&#039;s efficacy was when we began investigating our pay in relation to other similar institutions our size and location (not in a city or urban environment) It was discovered we were substantially below the level of these. Consequently there was a request for a substantial amount of money to remedy this. I thought it a good idea but had my questions until it was learned that the administration had voted themselves a sizable increase in their salaries  I want to say something like 18%?? When we were informed there was no money for our raises, finding out about those raises really hit home. I&#039;m still not sure if I would have gone on strike as we had voted   that went against a lot of my  beliefs&#039;, but at the last minute the funds were found, the strike was avoided, and our salaries, which even after the increases, were still not very high, but certainly a definite improvement. OK, I did NOT go into teaching to make money, but it was  interesting&#039; to find out that my son&#039;s first job offer after college was higher than what I was being paid after 20+ yrs of teaching.  While I know the market governs such things, and I was certainly happy for him, it was nonetheless thought provoking.Of course I retired in &#039;98 and am not aware of how the union is functioning at Western now, but I can tell you that  back when&#039;, most of us worked hard at what we did because we thought it was right to do so. There will always be people who try to  beat the system&#039; in any enterprise, organization, etc, but I found very few of them among the teachers at WIU. And felt the union had very little to do with that. They were doing that Before the union was formed. Some I felt maybe shouldn&#039;t have been teaching, but that was my opinion. Plus, from experience, I think teaching is a rather complicated process.. it&#039;s Not just a matter of dispensing information. People are involved .A bit surprised that I&#039;m even responding to this, but just out of a whim today I decided to check out your website as I hadn&#039;t for a long time. Saw the article, which pushed buttons All over the place.. hence this comment.Hope you all are doing well there. I didn&#039;t send any cards this past holiday season. Still trying to decide whether to write some kind of New Years card.Oh, pardon anyone else who might read this. I happen to be admin&#039;s Dad&#039;s brother.Very best to you all Hope my  two cents worth&#039; makes a little sense??]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I voted for a union at Western IL Univ where I taught, as a cqnseouence of a Very Flawed evaluation system which was determining how raises were administered. I knew this from having served on the committee that did the evaluating for a number of years. both at the Department and the College level. It was difficult, complicated, and not really satisfactory. We did our best, as everyone I served with cared very much to try to be as impartial as humanly possible. Besides, it wasn&#8217;t worth having people not speak to you for periods of time, especially when the decisions made were questionable from my perspective.So when the idea of a union was floated to help in obtaining justifiable increases for the professors I began to consider it. Especially since the individual who was fighting for having a union was a very good friend of mine and I respected her intelligence and motives. She was first president for a number of years and I personally thought she did a very good job and was fair in her dealing with that responsibility. She was co-ordinater of the system, and didn&#8217;t make any evaluative decisions herself.One instance of it&#8217;s efficacy was when we began investigating our pay in relation to other similar institutions our size and location (not in a city or urban environment) It was discovered we were substantially below the level of these. Consequently there was a request for a substantial amount of money to remedy this. I thought it a good idea but had my questions until it was learned that the administration had voted themselves a sizable increase in their salaries  I want to say something like 18%?? When we were informed there was no money for our raises, finding out about those raises really hit home. I&#8217;m still not sure if I would have gone on strike as we had voted   that went against a lot of my  beliefs&#8217;, but at the last minute the funds were found, the strike was avoided, and our salaries, which even after the increases, were still not very high, but certainly a definite improvement. OK, I did NOT go into teaching to make money, but it was  interesting&#8217; to find out that my son&#8217;s first job offer after college was higher than what I was being paid after 20+ yrs of teaching.  While I know the market governs such things, and I was certainly happy for him, it was nonetheless thought provoking.Of course I retired in &#8217;98 and am not aware of how the union is functioning at Western now, but I can tell you that  back when&#8217;, most of us worked hard at what we did because we thought it was right to do so. There will always be people who try to  beat the system&#8217; in any enterprise, organization, etc, but I found very few of them among the teachers at WIU. And felt the union had very little to do with that. They were doing that Before the union was formed. Some I felt maybe shouldn&#8217;t have been teaching, but that was my opinion. Plus, from experience, I think teaching is a rather complicated process.. it&#8217;s Not just a matter of dispensing information. People are involved .A bit surprised that I&#8217;m even responding to this, but just out of a whim today I decided to check out your website as I hadn&#8217;t for a long time. Saw the article, which pushed buttons All over the place.. hence this comment.Hope you all are doing well there. I didn&#8217;t send any cards this past holiday season. Still trying to decide whether to write some kind of New Years card.Oh, pardon anyone else who might read this. I happen to be admin&#8217;s Dad&#8217;s brother.Very best to you all Hope my  two cents worth&#8217; makes a little sense??</p>
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		By: Liberty427		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2010/05/28/unions-use-malleable-sidhu-to-flex-power/#comment-1298</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jun 2011 01:16:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In response to Charles Sainte Claire -- You are right and you are wrong. Government &quot;workers&quot; do not receive the &quot;upper 5% of salary in this country&quot;, whatever that means. YOU ARE DEAD WRONG THAT STATE EMPLOYEES LAG 10% BEHIND THOSE IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR. I am from the private sector...the real world. My employer does not offer a pension program. I have to pay the lion&#039;s share of my health care insurance. Little in the way of benefits that compare to what you have. I do not have the luxury of retiring at 59. I have nothing to retire on. Up until now, state employees have pretty much been guaranteed a job for life. The concept of being merged and acquired out of a job, or to have one&#039;s job sent offshore, or to be downsized doesn&#039;t figure into your vocabulary. Why should it. You are feeding from the public teat. The tax payers are no longer going to tolerate having to pay generous compensation in addition to ridiculously generous benefits to government workers who do nothing more than warm a chair. The day of public employee unions are rapidly coming to an end. And it cannot happen soon enough.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to Charles Sainte Claire &#8212; You are right and you are wrong. Government &#8220;workers&#8221; do not receive the &#8220;upper 5% of salary in this country&#8221;, whatever that means. YOU ARE DEAD WRONG THAT STATE EMPLOYEES LAG 10% BEHIND THOSE IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR. I am from the private sector&#8230;the real world. My employer does not offer a pension program. I have to pay the lion&#8217;s share of my health care insurance. Little in the way of benefits that compare to what you have. I do not have the luxury of retiring at 59. I have nothing to retire on. Up until now, state employees have pretty much been guaranteed a job for life. The concept of being merged and acquired out of a job, or to have one&#8217;s job sent offshore, or to be downsized doesn&#8217;t figure into your vocabulary. Why should it. You are feeding from the public teat. The tax payers are no longer going to tolerate having to pay generous compensation in addition to ridiculously generous benefits to government workers who do nothing more than warm a chair. The day of public employee unions are rapidly coming to an end. And it cannot happen soon enough.</p>
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		By: Fullerton92838		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2010/05/28/unions-use-malleable-sidhu-to-flex-power/#comment-1297</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jun 2010 04:56:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[No Greenhut, you have it all wrong.  For the survival of the Republican Party, they need to expel felons-who-get-somehow-get-off like Baugh (Capizzi was right!)...kick him off the shameful OC Republican Central Committee! And Steve, you need to go back to writing in Soldier of Fortune, at least something you know about.  Sidhu hasn&#039;t given the unions a single thing in Anaheim, it&#039;s just that creepy Gerragos-like attorney Shawn Nelson that everybody (who&#039;s not part of the neo-Nazi libretarian party) is against!  Not unions for Sidhu!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No Greenhut, you have it all wrong.  For the survival of the Republican Party, they need to expel felons-who-get-somehow-get-off like Baugh (Capizzi was right!)&#8230;kick him off the shameful OC Republican Central Committee! And Steve, you need to go back to writing in Soldier of Fortune, at least something you know about.  Sidhu hasn&#8217;t given the unions a single thing in Anaheim, it&#8217;s just that creepy Gerragos-like attorney Shawn Nelson that everybody (who&#8217;s not part of the neo-Nazi libretarian party) is against!  Not unions for Sidhu!</p>
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		By: StevefromSacto		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2010/05/28/unions-use-malleable-sidhu-to-flex-power/#comment-1296</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jun 2010 02:31:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[We interrupt all this garbage about the &quot;powerful&quot; unions with this report:


Business groups dominate the funding of California lawmakers’ campaigns, according to a study released today by the nonpartisan research group MAPLight.org.

Businesses and trade associations paid for 40 percent of California legislators’ campaigns over the last three years. Business groups provided more money than private citizens (17%) and labor unions (16%) combined. The study examined campaign contributions to members of the state Senate and Assembly. Political parties funded 12 percent of campaigns, with most of these funds directed towards a small handful of legislators. Advocacy groups - such as the Howard Jarvis Taxpayers Association and the California League of Conservation Voters—gave a tiny amount, less than 1 percent of all funds.

&quot;Businesses investing in political influence receive a high return on their investment,&quot; said Daniel Newman, MAPLight.org executive director. &quot;Our broken campaign funding system lets businesses profit from paying for lawmakers to stay in power.&quot;

Sen. Sam Aanestad received the highest share of funds from businesses, 87 percent.

To see how much your representative received from business, labor unions, and more, visit http://maplight.org/investing-in-influence-610

&quot;Even well-intentioned legislators must grovel before interest-group donors to raise campaign cash,&quot; said Newman. &quot;The problem is not with a few bad apples, but with a rotten barrel.&quot;

Next week, California voters will decide on Prop. 15, sponsored by the California League of Women Voters. The measure creates a pilot program for Secretary of State candidates to run for office without raising interest-group campaign funds. MAPLight.org is a supporter of Prop. 15.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We interrupt all this garbage about the &#8220;powerful&#8221; unions with this report:</p>
<p>Business groups dominate the funding of California lawmakers’ campaigns, according to a study released today by the nonpartisan research group MAPLight.org.</p>
<p>Businesses and trade associations paid for 40 percent of California legislators’ campaigns over the last three years. Business groups provided more money than private citizens (17%) and labor unions (16%) combined. The study examined campaign contributions to members of the state Senate and Assembly. Political parties funded 12 percent of campaigns, with most of these funds directed towards a small handful of legislators. Advocacy groups &#8211; such as the Howard Jarvis Taxpayers Association and the California League of Conservation Voters—gave a tiny amount, less than 1 percent of all funds.</p>
<p>&#8220;Businesses investing in political influence receive a high return on their investment,&#8221; said Daniel Newman, MAPLight.org executive director. &#8220;Our broken campaign funding system lets businesses profit from paying for lawmakers to stay in power.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sen. Sam Aanestad received the highest share of funds from businesses, 87 percent.</p>
<p>To see how much your representative received from business, labor unions, and more, visit <a href="http://maplight.org/investing-in-influence-610" rel="nofollow ugc">http://maplight.org/investing-in-influence-610</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Even well-intentioned legislators must grovel before interest-group donors to raise campaign cash,&#8221; said Newman. &#8220;The problem is not with a few bad apples, but with a rotten barrel.&#8221;</p>
<p>Next week, California voters will decide on Prop. 15, sponsored by the California League of Women Voters. The measure creates a pilot program for Secretary of State candidates to run for office without raising interest-group campaign funds. MAPLight.org is a supporter of Prop. 15.</p>
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		By: OCO		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[OCO]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jun 2010 02:10:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[OCO

I challenge you to produce backing for your unreal assertion that government employees receive the upper 5% of salary in this country
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FF, cops, prison guards and NUMEROUS other GED educated, no prior training needed, gov employees are comped at $200K per year in CA, and MORE (Vallejo FF&#039;s were averaging $250K before OT) and that is before OT.

$200K actually puts you ABOVE the top 5% in the nation in income-you can find those facts out with a 1 second Google search.

As for your 90% @59 public pension, that is about 3 times what a person in SS gets at age 67-so if you&#039;re claiming you&#039;re not getting a great deal then you&#039;re not being honest-and the fact is public employees pay little to NOTHING into their OWN retirement fund. Most munis &quot;pick up&quot; the employees share as well as their own share.

BTW-public employees are comped at TWICE the rate of the private sector-in the case of GED cops, FF&#039;s and prison guards it is 20 times the rate of the real world.

Sorry to shoot your public employee claims full of holes Chucky, but your public employee &quot;spin&quot; won&#039;t work here-we&#039;re immune :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OCO</p>
<p>I challenge you to produce backing for your unreal assertion that government employees receive the upper 5% of salary in this country<br />
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FF, cops, prison guards and NUMEROUS other GED educated, no prior training needed, gov employees are comped at $200K per year in CA, and MORE (Vallejo FF&#8217;s were averaging $250K before OT) and that is before OT.</p>
<p>$200K actually puts you ABOVE the top 5% in the nation in income-you can find those facts out with a 1 second Google search.</p>
<p>As for your 90% @59 public pension, that is about 3 times what a person in SS gets at age 67-so if you&#8217;re claiming you&#8217;re not getting a great deal then you&#8217;re not being honest-and the fact is public employees pay little to NOTHING into their OWN retirement fund. Most munis &#8220;pick up&#8221; the employees share as well as their own share.</p>
<p>BTW-public employees are comped at TWICE the rate of the private sector-in the case of GED cops, FF&#8217;s and prison guards it is 20 times the rate of the real world.</p>
<p>Sorry to shoot your public employee claims full of holes Chucky, but your public employee &#8220;spin&#8221; won&#8217;t work here-we&#8217;re immune 🙂</p>
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		By: SEESAW		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SEESAW]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 05:50:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Right on, Charles.  Once you do the work and have the check in hand, the money is your&#039;s and noone elses.  Then you can use it to purchase the product that OCO sells.  But, try telling him that a public worker funds his living.  What would all these public-worker haters do without their computers?  I wonder if they ever go out into the sunshine.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right on, Charles.  Once you do the work and have the check in hand, the money is your&#8217;s and noone elses.  Then you can use it to purchase the product that OCO sells.  But, try telling him that a public worker funds his living.  What would all these public-worker haters do without their computers?  I wonder if they ever go out into the sunshine.</p>
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		By: Charles Sainte Claire		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2010/05/28/unions-use-malleable-sidhu-to-flex-power/#comment-1293</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Charles Sainte Claire]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 00:57:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[OCO

I challenge you to produce backing for your unreal assertion that government employees receive the upper 5% of salary in this country.  This can only be described as a bald faced lie, and I am sure you KNOW it is.  I get 90% of my final salary in retirement after working 40 years and retiring at the age of 59.  More than 75% of that money comes from Calpers investments today, not tax money.  During the early 2000&#039;s government paid nothing and 100% came from Calpers, not taxes.

It is also a fallacy that all this comes from tax money because at one time the ititial source was tax money.  When I cashed my salary check once per month that money became mine for working my job and producing something useful for California Citizens.  Like the highways and freeways you drive on.  I bought my house with my tax paid salary.  I suppose you think State Government now owns that.

What else do you want?  By the way Professional State Employees still lag about 10% behind the private sector.  Take your hate elsewhere.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OCO</p>
<p>I challenge you to produce backing for your unreal assertion that government employees receive the upper 5% of salary in this country.  This can only be described as a bald faced lie, and I am sure you KNOW it is.  I get 90% of my final salary in retirement after working 40 years and retiring at the age of 59.  More than 75% of that money comes from Calpers investments today, not tax money.  During the early 2000&#8217;s government paid nothing and 100% came from Calpers, not taxes.</p>
<p>It is also a fallacy that all this comes from tax money because at one time the ititial source was tax money.  When I cashed my salary check once per month that money became mine for working my job and producing something useful for California Citizens.  Like the highways and freeways you drive on.  I bought my house with my tax paid salary.  I suppose you think State Government now owns that.</p>
<p>What else do you want?  By the way Professional State Employees still lag about 10% behind the private sector.  Take your hate elsewhere.</p>
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		By: OCO		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2010/05/28/unions-use-malleable-sidhu-to-flex-power/#comment-1292</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[OCO]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jun 2010 14:50:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Whatever the true value of the public safety, 3%@50 pensions, it is an absolutely insane amount where the vast majority, and in many cases the ENTIRE amount, is funded by the taxpayers.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whatever the true value of the public safety, 3%@50 pensions, it is an absolutely insane amount where the vast majority, and in many cases the ENTIRE amount, is funded by the taxpayers.</p>
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		By: Tough Love		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2010/05/28/unions-use-malleable-sidhu-to-flex-power/#comment-1291</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tough Love]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jun 2010 01:38:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[OCO,

Well said .... but its more likely only $4 million, not $5  Million.

Not Taxpayers, doesn&#039;t THAT make it better ?  And tell me .... do you feel like you&#039;ve been &quot;suckered&quot; ?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OCO,</p>
<p>Well said &#8230;. but its more likely only $4 million, not $5  Million.</p>
<p>Not Taxpayers, doesn&#8217;t THAT make it better ?  And tell me &#8230;. do you feel like you&#8217;ve been &#8220;suckered&#8221; ?</p>
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		By: OCO		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2010/05/28/unions-use-malleable-sidhu-to-flex-power/#comment-1290</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[OCO]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 May 2010 22:46:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It costs a lot of money to live and raise a family in California, particularly Orange County. The people working for government should be compensated at the rate that provides them with an opportunity to do so outside of poverty – even when they retire.
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Public employees who only have a GED or HS diploma are not &quot;entitled&quot; to be &quot;compensated&quot; at a rate that allows them to be paid in the top 5% in the nation like they do now.

And they are sure not &quot;entitled&quot; to $5 million pensions at age 50 that have been 95% paid for by the public.

Public employment is not a trust fund paid for by taxpayers.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It costs a lot of money to live and raise a family in California, particularly Orange County. The people working for government should be compensated at the rate that provides them with an opportunity to do so outside of poverty – even when they retire.<br />
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<p>Public employees who only have a GED or HS diploma are not &#8220;entitled&#8221; to be &#8220;compensated&#8221; at a rate that allows them to be paid in the top 5% in the nation like they do now.</p>
<p>And they are sure not &#8220;entitled&#8221; to $5 million pensions at age 50 that have been 95% paid for by the public.</p>
<p>Public employment is not a trust fund paid for by taxpayers.</p>
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