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		By: Luke		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Oct 2010 07:45:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The idea that there is some relationship between AB32 and unemployment in California is just astonishing.  It is just unbelievable to me that anyone would fall for such drivel.  Look, no one likes to see  high unemployment, but the insinuation that AB32 is to blame for our economic woes is just absurd.

But when your top four campaign donors (totalling more than 75 percent of the campaign&#039;s funding) are from out of state, I suppose you get what you pay for.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The idea that there is some relationship between AB32 and unemployment in California is just astonishing.  It is just unbelievable to me that anyone would fall for such drivel.  Look, no one likes to see  high unemployment, but the insinuation that AB32 is to blame for our economic woes is just absurd.</p>
<p>But when your top four campaign donors (totalling more than 75 percent of the campaign&#8217;s funding) are from out of state, I suppose you get what you pay for.</p>
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		By: John Seiler		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Sep 2010 01:59:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If Prop. 23 loses, unemployment soon will be the highest in the nation. And a new proposition doing the same thing will be on the ballot in 2012.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Prop. 23 loses, unemployment soon will be the highest in the nation. And a new proposition doing the same thing will be on the ballot in 2012.</p>
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		By: Joe Sullivan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Sep 2010 21:41:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I support Prop 23.The Governor, in ignorance of what constitutes Global Climatic change, signed AB32, requiring California to develop regulations to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, principally Carbon Dioxide(CO2).These regulations may bankrupt California without affecting climate change. The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change Vice Chair Yurri Izael in 2007 wrote, “the panic over global warming is totally unjustified;” “there is no serious threat to the climate.” The latest folly on global warming contentions occurred in 2009 when computer hackers broke into the computers of the British Hadley Institute, honored for its research of global warming, and discovered the Institute manipulated data to cover up evidence that went against their beliefs in man-made global warming. The earth is cooling.

I have graphs showing the start of the cooling trend. From 1850 to 1950 CO2 levels increased significantly, but the temperature rose only 0.1 degree Celsius. The earth has been cooling and is likely to do so for the next couple of decades. Understand that CO2 makes up only 3.4 one-hundredth of one percent of the earth’s total gases in the atmosphere.

Credentials that permit me to comment are that I have been a Geological Engineer for over a half century, one of 31,478 scientists registered in the Global Warming Petition Project, who oppose politician’s idiotic plans to spend billions trying to reduce carbon dioxide. In 1977 I was Chief of the Special Programs Unit at McClellan AFB, CA involved in tasks supporting Missile and Space Programs, and Satellite Communications and Weather Systems.

Global warming has happened many times. The Earth was an icehouse 18,000 years ago, and a hothouse 100 million years ago, without a speck of permanent ice anywhere. What affects climate? During Earth’s formation it was impacted at a low angle by Theia, a planitodail mass a little smaller than Mars. The impact knocked off part of the earth’s forming mantle, which later formed part of the moon. Theia’s impact is responsible for the earth’s 23.5-degree axial tilt, which created the Earth’s seasons. After the impact the remaining mantle fractured, and parts drifting on the earth’s semi-molten surface formed tectonic plates. The plates collided with each other many times and the present set, making up our continents, are still in motion. The earth’s tilt; changes in the way it orbits the sun; variation of the sun’s radiation as it burns up; volcanic eruptions; changes in oceans flows; and melting snow and ice control the earth’s climate. Large numbers of earthquakes occur every year, a reminder that earth is a cracked dynamic sphere, whose parts are constantly in motion, and are all involved in climatic conditions. To believe we can control the earth’s climate is a farce.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I support Prop 23.The Governor, in ignorance of what constitutes Global Climatic change, signed AB32, requiring California to develop regulations to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, principally Carbon Dioxide(CO2).These regulations may bankrupt California without affecting climate change. The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change Vice Chair Yurri Izael in 2007 wrote, “the panic over global warming is totally unjustified;” “there is no serious threat to the climate.” The latest folly on global warming contentions occurred in 2009 when computer hackers broke into the computers of the British Hadley Institute, honored for its research of global warming, and discovered the Institute manipulated data to cover up evidence that went against their beliefs in man-made global warming. The earth is cooling.</p>
<p>I have graphs showing the start of the cooling trend. From 1850 to 1950 CO2 levels increased significantly, but the temperature rose only 0.1 degree Celsius. The earth has been cooling and is likely to do so for the next couple of decades. Understand that CO2 makes up only 3.4 one-hundredth of one percent of the earth’s total gases in the atmosphere.</p>
<p>Credentials that permit me to comment are that I have been a Geological Engineer for over a half century, one of 31,478 scientists registered in the Global Warming Petition Project, who oppose politician’s idiotic plans to spend billions trying to reduce carbon dioxide. In 1977 I was Chief of the Special Programs Unit at McClellan AFB, CA involved in tasks supporting Missile and Space Programs, and Satellite Communications and Weather Systems.</p>
<p>Global warming has happened many times. The Earth was an icehouse 18,000 years ago, and a hothouse 100 million years ago, without a speck of permanent ice anywhere. What affects climate? During Earth’s formation it was impacted at a low angle by Theia, a planitodail mass a little smaller than Mars. The impact knocked off part of the earth’s forming mantle, which later formed part of the moon. Theia’s impact is responsible for the earth’s 23.5-degree axial tilt, which created the Earth’s seasons. After the impact the remaining mantle fractured, and parts drifting on the earth’s semi-molten surface formed tectonic plates. The plates collided with each other many times and the present set, making up our continents, are still in motion. The earth’s tilt; changes in the way it orbits the sun; variation of the sun’s radiation as it burns up; volcanic eruptions; changes in oceans flows; and melting snow and ice control the earth’s climate. Large numbers of earthquakes occur every year, a reminder that earth is a cracked dynamic sphere, whose parts are constantly in motion, and are all involved in climatic conditions. To believe we can control the earth’s climate is a farce.</p>
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		By: Tylerle13		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2010/09/16/politely-heated-prop-23-debate/#comment-2271</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Sep 2010 17:16:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Steyer sounds just like Maviglio. Both of them are scumbags who are just pushing spewing this BS because they are making money on the coat tails of AB32 and they dont want to see their gravy train come to a stop.

Its hilarious how they will point fingers at &quot;Big Businesses&quot; who are supporting PROP 23, then they try to hide the fact that the funding  of their clown campaign comes from Big Business as well, they just try to hide it by funneling it through 5 levels of fake non-profit groups &#038; PACs.

They are corrupt beyond belief. These people makeing these laws are the ones profiting from it and they dont want us peasants ruining their scam. All of this is government sponsored insider trading.

I love how Steyer ends by saying:

“I disagree that China is the economic model we want to emulate – or Texas – or Nevada. The last thing we want to do is be someone we are not.”

Yet him and Maviglio are hell bent on fundamentally changing the make up of California. When it is financially beneficial for for them they want to turn California into something we are not, but when statistics are used to defeat their argument they try to dismiss the facts by saying &quot;...we dont want to be something we are not.&quot;

Your correct Steyer, we dont want to be a State with a balanced budget, we dont want to run a surplus instead of a deficit, we dont want to embrace the businesses &#038; jobs that we already have in this state, we dont want to make California an ideal destination for all companies, we dont want to have a top ranked educational system, we dont want to have quality roads &#038; buildings, We dont want our Police &#038; Fire Fighters to be sufficiently staffed, we dont want to give up the title of &quot;The Land of Fruit &#038; Nuts&quot;, we dont want the rest of the Country to stop laughing at our state &#038; using us as a model of what NOT to do.

In your perfect little utopian world, you and Maviglio dont want any of that, but the one thing you do want is to use Radical Environmentalists &#038; Moronic laws as your personal pawns to kill off all of the companies that might compete with the companies that you and your other Hedge Fund buddies are heavily invested in. You just want some appointed government hack to kill off the competition for you so your companies can continue to collect government subsidies &#038; raise prices to unheard of levels once all of your competition has been killed of by CARB, AB32, and scumbags like Maviglio.

I hope that Everyone wakes up to your corruption &#038; manipulation and VOTES YES ON PROP 23, then you can go back to the drawing board and try to figure out some other way to exploit the working class of California for your Own financial benefit. You can keep your &quot;Green&quot;, the rest of us just want to keep our jobs.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steyer sounds just like Maviglio. Both of them are scumbags who are just pushing spewing this BS because they are making money on the coat tails of AB32 and they dont want to see their gravy train come to a stop.</p>
<p>Its hilarious how they will point fingers at &#8220;Big Businesses&#8221; who are supporting PROP 23, then they try to hide the fact that the funding  of their clown campaign comes from Big Business as well, they just try to hide it by funneling it through 5 levels of fake non-profit groups &amp; PACs.</p>
<p>They are corrupt beyond belief. These people makeing these laws are the ones profiting from it and they dont want us peasants ruining their scam. All of this is government sponsored insider trading.</p>
<p>I love how Steyer ends by saying:</p>
<p>“I disagree that China is the economic model we want to emulate – or Texas – or Nevada. The last thing we want to do is be someone we are not.”</p>
<p>Yet him and Maviglio are hell bent on fundamentally changing the make up of California. When it is financially beneficial for for them they want to turn California into something we are not, but when statistics are used to defeat their argument they try to dismiss the facts by saying &#8220;&#8230;we dont want to be something we are not.&#8221;</p>
<p>Your correct Steyer, we dont want to be a State with a balanced budget, we dont want to run a surplus instead of a deficit, we dont want to embrace the businesses &amp; jobs that we already have in this state, we dont want to make California an ideal destination for all companies, we dont want to have a top ranked educational system, we dont want to have quality roads &amp; buildings, We dont want our Police &amp; Fire Fighters to be sufficiently staffed, we dont want to give up the title of &#8220;The Land of Fruit &amp; Nuts&#8221;, we dont want the rest of the Country to stop laughing at our state &amp; using us as a model of what NOT to do.</p>
<p>In your perfect little utopian world, you and Maviglio dont want any of that, but the one thing you do want is to use Radical Environmentalists &amp; Moronic laws as your personal pawns to kill off all of the companies that might compete with the companies that you and your other Hedge Fund buddies are heavily invested in. You just want some appointed government hack to kill off the competition for you so your companies can continue to collect government subsidies &amp; raise prices to unheard of levels once all of your competition has been killed of by CARB, AB32, and scumbags like Maviglio.</p>
<p>I hope that Everyone wakes up to your corruption &amp; manipulation and VOTES YES ON PROP 23, then you can go back to the drawing board and try to figure out some other way to exploit the working class of California for your Own financial benefit. You can keep your &#8220;Green&#8221;, the rest of us just want to keep our jobs.</p>
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