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		By: mimi really sucks		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mimi really sucks]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Feb 2011 04:57:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think Mimi Walters should stay home in the kitchen and fix sandwiches.  Was very glad Lockyer stomped her in last year Treasurer&#039;s election.  Just another Orange County Tax Whacko Politico.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Mimi Walters should stay home in the kitchen and fix sandwiches.  Was very glad Lockyer stomped her in last year Treasurer&#8217;s election.  Just another Orange County Tax Whacko Politico.</p>
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		By: Over-Lee Generous		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2011/02/07/pension-initiative-legislation-planned/#comment-3777</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Over-Lee Generous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Feb 2011 06:32:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The boomers are coming.  The pension funds cannot possibly earn enough return to keep up with the dazzling increase in payouts immediately ahead - for years to come.  Unless the current retirees and current employees are subjected to dramatic pension cuts it&#039;s all smoke and mirrors baby.  Listen . . . can you hear the fiddle music?  Nero?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The boomers are coming.  The pension funds cannot possibly earn enough return to keep up with the dazzling increase in payouts immediately ahead &#8211; for years to come.  Unless the current retirees and current employees are subjected to dramatic pension cuts it&#8217;s all smoke and mirrors baby.  Listen . . . can you hear the fiddle music?  Nero?</p>
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		By: Kurt Hahn		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2011/02/07/pension-initiative-legislation-planned/#comment-3776</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kurt Hahn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Feb 2011 01:04:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[PENSION INITIATIVE PROPOSAL AN OVERKILL

CalPERS did not have a unfunded liability in 2008 and over the preceeding 10 years was on average 90% funded.The problem in addition to the crash fall into two catatgories.

First there were poor investments. They invested excessively in  real estate portfolio and secondly some corruption in selecting investment advisors. Also there was too much infulence by State officer holders in the investment decession making process.

Next there were unsustainable benefits specifically to Public Safety members in the form of 30% per year at 30 years of service and lesser excesses for miscellaneous employees. There have been some rollbacks in recently negotated union contracts for new hires but more needs to be done.

Putting upper limits on pension benefits fails to recognize health care professionals and other with advanced technical training or very qualified senior managers. The other benefit proposals don&#039;t just go back before the 1998-1998 round of unsustainable benefit increases but go back 40 years.

CalPERS befefits historically are paid for 90% by investments and 10% by contributions. Maybe employee contributions need to be incrreased back to the original 8% for miscellaneous and 12% for Safety members but forcing all into a 457 Plan is not a good alternative.

I hope the authors of the proposed initiative give it a little more thought because today&#039;s outline could make things worse. CalPERS by and large has been well run and for most years absent any significant unfunded liability. It wasn&#039;t  until Gray Davis gave away the store even though CalPERS own actuaries said it wouldn&#039;t work and we had a serious problem. The problem compounded a bit because Arnold and others did offer the appropriate oversight. The problems can be fixed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PENSION INITIATIVE PROPOSAL AN OVERKILL</p>
<p>CalPERS did not have a unfunded liability in 2008 and over the preceeding 10 years was on average 90% funded.The problem in addition to the crash fall into two catatgories.</p>
<p>First there were poor investments. They invested excessively in  real estate portfolio and secondly some corruption in selecting investment advisors. Also there was too much infulence by State officer holders in the investment decession making process.</p>
<p>Next there were unsustainable benefits specifically to Public Safety members in the form of 30% per year at 30 years of service and lesser excesses for miscellaneous employees. There have been some rollbacks in recently negotated union contracts for new hires but more needs to be done.</p>
<p>Putting upper limits on pension benefits fails to recognize health care professionals and other with advanced technical training or very qualified senior managers. The other benefit proposals don&#8217;t just go back before the 1998-1998 round of unsustainable benefit increases but go back 40 years.</p>
<p>CalPERS befefits historically are paid for 90% by investments and 10% by contributions. Maybe employee contributions need to be incrreased back to the original 8% for miscellaneous and 12% for Safety members but forcing all into a 457 Plan is not a good alternative.</p>
<p>I hope the authors of the proposed initiative give it a little more thought because today&#8217;s outline could make things worse. CalPERS by and large has been well run and for most years absent any significant unfunded liability. It wasn&#8217;t  until Gray Davis gave away the store even though CalPERS own actuaries said it wouldn&#8217;t work and we had a serious problem. The problem compounded a bit because Arnold and others did offer the appropriate oversight. The problems can be fixed.</p>
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		By: Roy Bleckert		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2011/02/07/pension-initiative-legislation-planned/#comment-3775</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roy Bleckert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Feb 2011 03:58:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Government Employee Unions love Taxes , here is one for em

We will tax all government pensions over 40,000 $ at 90%

The Government that gives you something is The Government that can take it away from you !]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Government Employee Unions love Taxes , here is one for em</p>
<p>We will tax all government pensions over 40,000 $ at 90%</p>
<p>The Government that gives you something is The Government that can take it away from you !</p>
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		By: Charles		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2011/02/07/pension-initiative-legislation-planned/#comment-3774</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Charles]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Feb 2011 22:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Something needs to be said about unfunded liabilities.  If you bought a house for $200,000 on a thirty year loan,and had %160,000 in investments tied to your loan you would be 80% invested at a zero% return on investment rate over inflation.  If you earned 4% you would have a lower unfunded liability.  At 7.75% your liability would probably be nothing.

Calpers earned 7.79% over the last twenty years.  If they think it is obvious that they will not be able to earn that in the next twenty years, they should lower their return on investment (ROI) assumptions and the unfunded liability estimates will go up.  You have to remember that these are not concrete numbers, they are estimates, which are really informed guesses.

The ROI assumed in the Stanford study of 4.1% as in T-bills is unreasonable.  Such an assumption would result in Calpers being far, far over paid.  That would indeed be a waste of public funds needed for public services.  Any group of grad students suggesting such an investment plan for a company would be fired on the spot.  Of course, they were hired by ex-governor Arnold, so what do you expect?

The economy will turn around as it always does and all the yellow sheet muckraking editorials of the far right rags will fade into history.  Until the next economic downturn.  Keep those editorials in your desk drawer for another 7 to 10 years and you won&#039;t have to write them all over again.  &quot;Save a tree!&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Something needs to be said about unfunded liabilities.  If you bought a house for $200,000 on a thirty year loan,and had %160,000 in investments tied to your loan you would be 80% invested at a zero% return on investment rate over inflation.  If you earned 4% you would have a lower unfunded liability.  At 7.75% your liability would probably be nothing.</p>
<p>Calpers earned 7.79% over the last twenty years.  If they think it is obvious that they will not be able to earn that in the next twenty years, they should lower their return on investment (ROI) assumptions and the unfunded liability estimates will go up.  You have to remember that these are not concrete numbers, they are estimates, which are really informed guesses.</p>
<p>The ROI assumed in the Stanford study of 4.1% as in T-bills is unreasonable.  Such an assumption would result in Calpers being far, far over paid.  That would indeed be a waste of public funds needed for public services.  Any group of grad students suggesting such an investment plan for a company would be fired on the spot.  Of course, they were hired by ex-governor Arnold, so what do you expect?</p>
<p>The economy will turn around as it always does and all the yellow sheet muckraking editorials of the far right rags will fade into history.  Until the next economic downturn.  Keep those editorials in your desk drawer for another 7 to 10 years and you won&#8217;t have to write them all over again.  &#8220;Save a tree!&#8221;</p>
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		By: SkippingDog		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2011/02/07/pension-initiative-legislation-planned/#comment-3773</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SkippingDog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Feb 2011 21:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[These are DOA anyway.  See the US Constitution on Ex Post Facto laws and Bills of Attainder.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These are DOA anyway.  See the US Constitution on Ex Post Facto laws and Bills of Attainder.</p>
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		By: Charles		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2011/02/07/pension-initiative-legislation-planned/#comment-3772</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Charles]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Feb 2011 21:05:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[AB17, sponsored by Assembly Black Caucus Vice Chairman Mike Davis, D-Sacramento, would require the state, teacher and UC pension boards to report on the ethnicity and gender of the brokerage and investment management firms they do business with and develop strategies to increase the number of minority investment managers and brokers.

The last time a member of the Calpers board came up with an idea like this he was kicked off within a few days.  The purpose of the board and investments is to get as large of a return as possible to keep tax inputs as low as possible.  It certainly is not a forum to invest in losing businesses.  There is no need to determine ethnicity and gender of investment management firms unless the proposal is to invest in losing firms to be politically correct and lose money which will raise your taxes.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AB17, sponsored by Assembly Black Caucus Vice Chairman Mike Davis, D-Sacramento, would require the state, teacher and UC pension boards to report on the ethnicity and gender of the brokerage and investment management firms they do business with and develop strategies to increase the number of minority investment managers and brokers.</p>
<p>The last time a member of the Calpers board came up with an idea like this he was kicked off within a few days.  The purpose of the board and investments is to get as large of a return as possible to keep tax inputs as low as possible.  It certainly is not a forum to invest in losing businesses.  There is no need to determine ethnicity and gender of investment management firms unless the proposal is to invest in losing firms to be politically correct and lose money which will raise your taxes.</p>
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		By: Rex ther Wonder Dog!		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2011/02/07/pension-initiative-legislation-planned/#comment-3771</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rex ther Wonder Dog!]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Feb 2011 20:40:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Require that most employees currently covered by defined benefit plans earn at rate of 1.25 percent at 65 until their current plan is unfrozen; public safety workers would earn 1.6 percent at 55.
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STOP giving public safety sweetheart deals or this will be DOA.

They can work past age 55, and do not deserve a multiplier 35% higher than everyone else while they receive a retirement age 35% lower.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Require that most employees currently covered by defined benefit plans earn at rate of 1.25 percent at 65 until their current plan is unfrozen; public safety workers would earn 1.6 percent at 55.<br />
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STOP giving public safety sweetheart deals or this will be DOA.</p>
<p>They can work past age 55, and do not deserve a multiplier 35% higher than everyone else while they receive a retirement age 35% lower.</p>
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		By: Pension Actuary		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2011/02/07/pension-initiative-legislation-planned/#comment-3770</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pension Actuary]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Feb 2011 18:03:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Would Mike Davis get on board for responsible pension reform if his racist set-asides are approved?  I doubt it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would Mike Davis get on board for responsible pension reform if his racist set-asides are approved?  I doubt it.</p>
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		By: Steven Maviglio		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2011/02/07/pension-initiative-legislation-planned/#comment-3769</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steven Maviglio]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Feb 2011 06:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What&#039;s wrong with this picture? Start by taking a look at who is behind the &quot;California Foundation for Fiscal Responsibility.&quot; http://www.californiapensionreform.com/about/advisory-board/

The group consists of individuals who stand to profit handsomely from pension &quot;reform&quot; including a political signature gathering firm, political groups, and a former state legislator turned lobbyist. Apparently their self interest is more important than the state&#039;s fiscal interests.

Also, Ms. Walters might have more luck convincing her GOP colleagues in the Senate and Assembly support pension &quot;reform.&quot; Because last year, when the chips were down, many Republicans voted NO.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s wrong with this picture? Start by taking a look at who is behind the &#8220;California Foundation for Fiscal Responsibility.&#8221; <a href="http://www.californiapensionreform.com/about/advisory-board/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.californiapensionreform.com/about/advisory-board/</a></p>
<p>The group consists of individuals who stand to profit handsomely from pension &#8220;reform&#8221; including a political signature gathering firm, political groups, and a former state legislator turned lobbyist. Apparently their self interest is more important than the state&#8217;s fiscal interests.</p>
<p>Also, Ms. Walters might have more luck convincing her GOP colleagues in the Senate and Assembly support pension &#8220;reform.&#8221; Because last year, when the chips were down, many Republicans voted NO.</p>
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