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		By: RealityChk		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[re: Bravoman&#039;s comments:  Have you actually been in a CA state prison?  Is this where you came up with this notion that CDC guards (they are guards .... not police officers) earn every penny?  And what do you base this supposition on that they only have batons and pepper spray to protect themselves with against 500 rabid felonious maniacs? I would guess not.  I spent a little over 9 months in prison in CA.  What I saw in the two prisons I was at were a bunch of easy-going, under-worked, grossly overpaid guards who all drove very nice brand new cars and spent most of their day chatting it up about the nice expensive vacations they took, the new homes they all owned, and the money the spent on projects like restoring an old classic car.  It&#039;s a VERY controlled environment .... the risk of serious (or any) injury is minor compared to that of a street cop.  Also, they have guns, in fact, many tyes of weapons available to them.  It&#039;s a boring job.  I wouldn&#039;t want to do it.  Would love to be grossly overpaid as they are, but someone has to pay for it ..... like you, me, and every other taxpayer out there.  In my opinion, we&#039;re all getting ripped off .... except the CDC guards.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re: Bravoman&#8217;s comments:  Have you actually been in a CA state prison?  Is this where you came up with this notion that CDC guards (they are guards &#8230;. not police officers) earn every penny?  And what do you base this supposition on that they only have batons and pepper spray to protect themselves with against 500 rabid felonious maniacs? I would guess not.  I spent a little over 9 months in prison in CA.  What I saw in the two prisons I was at were a bunch of easy-going, under-worked, grossly overpaid guards who all drove very nice brand new cars and spent most of their day chatting it up about the nice expensive vacations they took, the new homes they all owned, and the money the spent on projects like restoring an old classic car.  It&#8217;s a VERY controlled environment &#8230;. the risk of serious (or any) injury is minor compared to that of a street cop.  Also, they have guns, in fact, many tyes of weapons available to them.  It&#8217;s a boring job.  I wouldn&#8217;t want to do it.  Would love to be grossly overpaid as they are, but someone has to pay for it &#8230;.. like you, me, and every other taxpayer out there.  In my opinion, we&#8217;re all getting ripped off &#8230;. except the CDC guards.</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Sep 2011 22:23:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] imprisoned population ballooned by more than 600,000.&#8221; Furthermore, Cal Watchdog post, Unions Root Cause Of Prison Problem, blames public unions for prison overcrowding and extraordinary cost overruns in California. All [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] imprisoned population ballooned by more than 600,000.&#8221; Furthermore, Cal Watchdog post, Unions Root Cause Of Prison Problem, blames public unions for prison overcrowding and extraordinary cost overruns in California. All [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Richard Rider		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2011/05/25/unions-root-cause-of-prison-problem/#comment-5142</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 May 2011 22:39:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[One other big advantage of private prisons seldom discussed.  They can be held accountable.  A properly drawn contract can have performance standards, with penalties for sub-par performance.

And ultimately, the company can be fired.  Good luck trying to fire a substandard prison union employee (let alone the department), unless you can pin an illegal act on him or her.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One other big advantage of private prisons seldom discussed.  They can be held accountable.  A properly drawn contract can have performance standards, with penalties for sub-par performance.</p>
<p>And ultimately, the company can be fired.  Good luck trying to fire a substandard prison union employee (let alone the department), unless you can pin an illegal act on him or her.</p>
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		By: Richard Rider		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 May 2011 22:22:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As of 2008, California prison guards were the highest paid in the nation.           http://www.caltax.org/caltaxletter/2008/101708_fraud1.htm

It costs roughly $50K a year to house a CA prisoner.  The national average is about $32K.  Private prisons (common in other states but now effectively banned in CA) cost about $20K a prisoner.

No effort is being made by CA politicians to control these costs.  In fact, the governor just signed off on a new sweet labor contract for our powerful state prison guards labor union.

The median wage for guards nationwide is $42,610.
http://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes333012.htm

CA prison guards make over $70,000 base pay after 3 years on the job, and that&#039;s before counting all the extra categories that increase pay, or overtime.
http://www.caltax.org/caltaxletter/2008/101708_fraud1.htm

And there are the absurd, underfunded CA state pensions.  A 30 year guard can retire in his early 50&#039;s with a bigger take-home pension paycheck than his highest net pay while working.

Gov. Brown may TRY to use this Supreme Court ruling to raise taxes, but these facts about runaway state spending on prisoners will help kill this tax increase.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As of 2008, California prison guards were the highest paid in the nation.           <a href="http://www.caltax.org/caltaxletter/2008/101708_fraud1.htm" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.caltax.org/caltaxletter/2008/101708_fraud1.htm</a></p>
<p>It costs roughly $50K a year to house a CA prisoner.  The national average is about $32K.  Private prisons (common in other states but now effectively banned in CA) cost about $20K a prisoner.</p>
<p>No effort is being made by CA politicians to control these costs.  In fact, the governor just signed off on a new sweet labor contract for our powerful state prison guards labor union.</p>
<p>The median wage for guards nationwide is $42,610.<br />
<a href="http://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes333012.htm" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes333012.htm</a></p>
<p>CA prison guards make over $70,000 base pay after 3 years on the job, and that&#8217;s before counting all the extra categories that increase pay, or overtime.<br />
<a href="http://www.caltax.org/caltaxletter/2008/101708_fraud1.htm" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.caltax.org/caltaxletter/2008/101708_fraud1.htm</a></p>
<p>And there are the absurd, underfunded CA state pensions.  A 30 year guard can retire in his early 50&#8217;s with a bigger take-home pension paycheck than his highest net pay while working.</p>
<p>Gov. Brown may TRY to use this Supreme Court ruling to raise taxes, but these facts about runaway state spending on prisoners will help kill this tax increase.</p>
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		By: Richard Rider		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2011/05/25/unions-root-cause-of-prison-problem/#comment-5140</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 May 2011 22:14:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[One advantage of private prisons is that it puts downward pressure on CCPOA demands.  The higher their demands, the more they price themselves out of the market.  As it is, there is zero incentive for them to be reasonable, let alone reduce the absurd levels of pay currently being recieved.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One advantage of private prisons is that it puts downward pressure on CCPOA demands.  The higher their demands, the more they price themselves out of the market.  As it is, there is zero incentive for them to be reasonable, let alone reduce the absurd levels of pay currently being recieved.</p>
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		By: Richard Rider		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2011/05/25/unions-root-cause-of-prison-problem/#comment-5139</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 May 2011 22:13:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Critics here assert that private prison corporations lobby for more incarceration, which doubtless is true.  But CCPOA makes these private sector upstarts look like pikers.

The guards&#039; union buys CA politicians like most of us buy groceries at the supermarket.  And most of their union-labeled political allies are cheap acquisitions.

When one discovers private prison firms donating to a politician, that&#039;s clearly seen as a red flag -- as it should be.  But tally up the IE campaigns from the CCPOA (and other unions) and realize what they are buying -- their prosperity (and increased demand) at our expense.

We need to disband the public employee labor unions.  NOT private sector labor unions.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Critics here assert that private prison corporations lobby for more incarceration, which doubtless is true.  But CCPOA makes these private sector upstarts look like pikers.</p>
<p>The guards&#8217; union buys CA politicians like most of us buy groceries at the supermarket.  And most of their union-labeled political allies are cheap acquisitions.</p>
<p>When one discovers private prison firms donating to a politician, that&#8217;s clearly seen as a red flag &#8212; as it should be.  But tally up the IE campaigns from the CCPOA (and other unions) and realize what they are buying &#8212; their prosperity (and increased demand) at our expense.</p>
<p>We need to disband the public employee labor unions.  NOT private sector labor unions.</p>
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		By: Joe Baumann		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2011/05/25/unions-root-cause-of-prison-problem/#comment-5138</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 May 2011 18:12:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Why, just today..in the Colorado Independent.......

In the wake of news that private prison corporations are spending millions of dollars lobbying for tougher immigration laws comes a study that says privatizing prisons does not save taxpayers any money and may increase costs in some cases.

With five private prisons currently operating in Colorado, the state seems to be benefiting from the arrangement.

read the rest of the story here

http://coloradoindependent.com/88610/study-casts-doubt-on-whether-private-prisons-save-states-money]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why, just today..in the Colorado Independent&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>In the wake of news that private prison corporations are spending millions of dollars lobbying for tougher immigration laws comes a study that says privatizing prisons does not save taxpayers any money and may increase costs in some cases.</p>
<p>With five private prisons currently operating in Colorado, the state seems to be benefiting from the arrangement.</p>
<p>read the rest of the story here</p>
<p><a href="http://coloradoindependent.com/88610/study-casts-doubt-on-whether-private-prisons-save-states-money" rel="nofollow ugc">http://coloradoindependent.com/88610/study-casts-doubt-on-whether-private-prisons-save-states-money</a></p>
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		By: Bravoman		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 May 2011 17:32:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[CCPOA is no saint, but to blame the overcrowding issue on them is reaching a bit.  Sentencing laws, 3 strikes and others things contribute to the problem, but why don&#039;t we start with the real culprit;  those pesky felons who keep committing crimes!  Your rant on private prisons is without substance, private prisons house low level offenders, so of course they are easier to control.  But even with low level offenders come problems, which if you had done any research you would have found that private prisons, even with their lush environment, have violence and other crimes just like California Prisons do.  CCPOA fights to protect their members, just as the Teachers union does, that is their job!  I have suggested for years that California could reduce its prison population by simply doing away with Parole for non violent offenders and mandating a 70-80% sentence completion with good behavior! Then in order for them to return to prison, they must commit a new crime, not because they got pulled over for a headlight while on parole.  CDCR pays its Officers a good wage, because they earn every penny.....I would love to see how the author would react to a 500 man riot and nothing to protect himself with except a baton and pepper spray....not a great feeling.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CCPOA is no saint, but to blame the overcrowding issue on them is reaching a bit.  Sentencing laws, 3 strikes and others things contribute to the problem, but why don&#8217;t we start with the real culprit;  those pesky felons who keep committing crimes!  Your rant on private prisons is without substance, private prisons house low level offenders, so of course they are easier to control.  But even with low level offenders come problems, which if you had done any research you would have found that private prisons, even with their lush environment, have violence and other crimes just like California Prisons do.  CCPOA fights to protect their members, just as the Teachers union does, that is their job!  I have suggested for years that California could reduce its prison population by simply doing away with Parole for non violent offenders and mandating a 70-80% sentence completion with good behavior! Then in order for them to return to prison, they must commit a new crime, not because they got pulled over for a headlight while on parole.  CDCR pays its Officers a good wage, because they earn every penny&#8230;..I would love to see how the author would react to a 500 man riot and nothing to protect himself with except a baton and pepper spray&#8230;.not a great feeling.</p>
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		By: Joe Baumann		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 May 2011 16:50:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Joseph Joseph Joseph........

You forgot to give Governor&#039;s Wilson and Schwarzenegger honorable mention in your article.

Wilson, the father of the unallocated budget cut, wage freezes and massive hiring freeze, which resulted in a significant reduction in the number of medical staff at each prison. Wonder why the medical receiver ordered across-the-board raises to CDCR&#039;s medical staff? Do some research.

Then there&#039;s Arnold. The man who allowed the Queen of the Private Prisons, Donna Arduin, draft his first budget. So what&#039;d they do? Project a 30k inmate decrease in population, resulting in the shutdown of all Planning and Construction within CDC. 4 years later, with the passing of AB 900, Arnold had $8 Billion in bond authority to build. So what&#039;d he do? A minimal amount of research will show he did nothing. Nada. Zip. The first Governor to not add a single bed to the prison system since the early 1940&#039;s.

&quot;The union has been unceasingly critical of private prisons, suggesting that CCA,  Cornell Corrections and GEO Group provide inferior security at their facilities, while yielding little if any real savings to states like California.&quot; Just last week, the State of Arizona Department of Corrections issued report which can be added to the volumes of reports that show privatizing prisons saves little to no money, and puts the inmates, employees and general public at greater risk. Just look at the most recent escape in Arizona. At least 2 murders, countless other crimes, the tax payers footing the bill because MTC wanted to save a little money on security.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joseph Joseph Joseph&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
<p>You forgot to give Governor&#8217;s Wilson and Schwarzenegger honorable mention in your article.</p>
<p>Wilson, the father of the unallocated budget cut, wage freezes and massive hiring freeze, which resulted in a significant reduction in the number of medical staff at each prison. Wonder why the medical receiver ordered across-the-board raises to CDCR&#8217;s medical staff? Do some research.</p>
<p>Then there&#8217;s Arnold. The man who allowed the Queen of the Private Prisons, Donna Arduin, draft his first budget. So what&#8217;d they do? Project a 30k inmate decrease in population, resulting in the shutdown of all Planning and Construction within CDC. 4 years later, with the passing of AB 900, Arnold had $8 Billion in bond authority to build. So what&#8217;d he do? A minimal amount of research will show he did nothing. Nada. Zip. The first Governor to not add a single bed to the prison system since the early 1940&#8217;s.</p>
<p>&#8220;The union has been unceasingly critical of private prisons, suggesting that CCA,  Cornell Corrections and GEO Group provide inferior security at their facilities, while yielding little if any real savings to states like California.&#8221; Just last week, the State of Arizona Department of Corrections issued report which can be added to the volumes of reports that show privatizing prisons saves little to no money, and puts the inmates, employees and general public at greater risk. Just look at the most recent escape in Arizona. At least 2 murders, countless other crimes, the tax payers footing the bill because MTC wanted to save a little money on security.</p>
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