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		By: David H		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jan 2012 18:31:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[50 yr. old retired Vallejo police officer with a nice Bonanza airplane that burns 18 gallons an hour, not his first plane by the way.  Retired school teacher couple in a $850,000 custom built home, plenty of money, shinny cars, plenty of time.  Retired police officer, head of neighborhood watch, drives two new Ford&#039;s every year, one pickup, one sedan, brand new custom built home, new boat, plenty of money, much free time to mind everybodys business.  The local government municipality employees are the highest paid jobs in the vicinity.  They make more money than any drug dealer I have heard of.

Now I&#039;m not opposed to people earning money and spending it the way that they want if they earned it honestly, but when we are talking about fiscal policy, tax dollars, and huge spending deficits, then we have a say in how the money is spent.  If you want to reform wall street trading, mortgage banking, then you should all means do it.  But don&#039;t tell taxpayers to fund your wall street envy lifestyle.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>50 yr. old retired Vallejo police officer with a nice Bonanza airplane that burns 18 gallons an hour, not his first plane by the way.  Retired school teacher couple in a $850,000 custom built home, plenty of money, shinny cars, plenty of time.  Retired police officer, head of neighborhood watch, drives two new Ford&#8217;s every year, one pickup, one sedan, brand new custom built home, new boat, plenty of money, much free time to mind everybodys business.  The local government municipality employees are the highest paid jobs in the vicinity.  They make more money than any drug dealer I have heard of.</p>
<p>Now I&#8217;m not opposed to people earning money and spending it the way that they want if they earned it honestly, but when we are talking about fiscal policy, tax dollars, and huge spending deficits, then we have a say in how the money is spent.  If you want to reform wall street trading, mortgage banking, then you should all means do it.  But don&#8217;t tell taxpayers to fund your wall street envy lifestyle.</p>
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		By: stevefromsacto		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jan 2012 02:22:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;only someone too young, sheltered or government employed would say that we don’t have more exclusive government funded pension retires living among us, they are everywhere, building big homes, flying expensive airplanes, driving new cars and truck every year, and arrogant.&quot;

I live in a retirement community also, David, have never worked for the government or been sheltered (whatever that means).  But there are a hell of a lot more mortgage bankers, Wall Street brokers and other vulture capitalists with their big homes, expensive airplanes, new cars, etc. than there will ever be government retirees, who receive an average pension of less than $25,000 a year.

But you must have some lovely ganja growing in your retirement community if you see retired DMV clerks  in private planes or new cars.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;only someone too young, sheltered or government employed would say that we don’t have more exclusive government funded pension retires living among us, they are everywhere, building big homes, flying expensive airplanes, driving new cars and truck every year, and arrogant.&#8221;</p>
<p>I live in a retirement community also, David, have never worked for the government or been sheltered (whatever that means).  But there are a hell of a lot more mortgage bankers, Wall Street brokers and other vulture capitalists with their big homes, expensive airplanes, new cars, etc. than there will ever be government retirees, who receive an average pension of less than $25,000 a year.</p>
<p>But you must have some lovely ganja growing in your retirement community if you see retired DMV clerks  in private planes or new cars.</p>
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		By: David H		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2012/01/12/lao-brown-numbers-dont-compute/#comment-14135</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2012 22:05:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The fact is that during the Raygun years we had prosperity, called stagflation.  Billy lover years too.  Though most of the &quot;prosperity&quot; was a result of borrowing, not good principled growth.  We don&#039;t have that now, so it&#039;s time to adjust.  It had to come to an end.  If you don&#039;t work you don&#039;t eat.  If you don&#039;t pay your debts no one will lend to you anymore.  But only someone too young, sheltered or government employed would say that we don&#039;t have more exclusive government funded pension retires living among us, they are everywhere, building big homes, flying expensive airplanes, driving new cars and truck every year, and arrogant.  Maybe I just see it more because I live in a retirement community.  And we have had a huge increase in government intervention (can you say cost) and regulation.  Steve you always cry about the poor,and I agree, but the poor can&#039;t even go and get a job without doing something illegal today.  It either takes a business permit, a contractors license, a public health permit, or a union card or some kind of degree.  Why do you think so many people are standing around the streets?  You must be ignorant.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact is that during the Raygun years we had prosperity, called stagflation.  Billy lover years too.  Though most of the &#8220;prosperity&#8221; was a result of borrowing, not good principled growth.  We don&#8217;t have that now, so it&#8217;s time to adjust.  It had to come to an end.  If you don&#8217;t work you don&#8217;t eat.  If you don&#8217;t pay your debts no one will lend to you anymore.  But only someone too young, sheltered or government employed would say that we don&#8217;t have more exclusive government funded pension retires living among us, they are everywhere, building big homes, flying expensive airplanes, driving new cars and truck every year, and arrogant.  Maybe I just see it more because I live in a retirement community.  And we have had a huge increase in government intervention (can you say cost) and regulation.  Steve you always cry about the poor,and I agree, but the poor can&#8217;t even go and get a job without doing something illegal today.  It either takes a business permit, a contractors license, a public health permit, or a union card or some kind of degree.  Why do you think so many people are standing around the streets?  You must be ignorant.</p>
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		By: stevefromsacto		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jan 2012 19:38:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I really want to thank the LA Times&#039; George Skelton for putting in one convenient place all the ammunition needed to blow the right-wing MYTHS about California taxes out of the water!   Read and Learn!

Voters Need Facts, not Myths

State government&#039;s level of taxing and spending is about the same today as it was decades ago, when Ronald Reagan was governor.

Californians are heading into an intense, critical debate over the level of public service they&#039;re willing to pay for. So it&#039;s time to puncture some myths.

Everyone&#039;s entitled to his own opinion, as the late Daniel Patrick Moynihan used to say, but not his own facts.
Voters owe it to themselves to separate myth from fact as they begin pondering Gov. Jerry Brown&#039;s planned November ballot initiative to temporarily raise about $7 billion annually from higher income taxes on the rich and sales taxes on everyone. It&#039;s either that or deeper cuts in education and other services, the governor warns.

Myth No. 1: There&#039;s no such thing as a temporary tax increase. They all become permanent.

Fact: That&#039;s just talk-show spiel. Temporary state taxes almost never become permanent.

There&#039;s only one exception that I can recall. A temporary half-cent sales tax turned into essentially a permanent local tax in 1993 with the voters&#039; approval. All the revenue was dedicated to local law enforcement and fire protection.

Myth No. 2: Taxes have gone through the roof in California.

Fact: They&#039;ve been held down. Even if Brown&#039;s tax hikes are approved by voters, the state tax burden will be basically what it was back when Ronald Reagan was governor in the 1970s.

In Reagan&#039;s last year in Sacramento, state taxes amounted to $6.89 per $100 of personal income. Currently, the level is $6.45. With the hikes, it would be $6.67, according to the State Department of Finance, which charts such data. The high tax point was $7.96 in 1999.
Also, according to the finance department, California ranks 19th nationally in state and local taxes and fees, at $16.42 per $100 of personal income. The highest-taxing states relative to income are Alaska, Wyoming and New York.

Myth No. 3: California&#039;s spending has been out of control.

Fact: It&#039;s on a relatively tight rein. The deficit-ridden state General Fund has been cut by 16% in the last four years, the overall state budget by 2%.

One example: Welfare, the poster child of waste for many on the right, has been slashed to the grant levels of 25 years ago: $638 monthly for a family of three.

But let&#039;s go back to that conservative icon Reagan. General Fund spending per $100 of income is lower today, $5.14, than it was in his final year, $5.89.

Historically, what really bumped up state spending was Proposition 13 in 1978. That property tax cut prompted the state to begin doling out money to revenue-robbed local governments and schools.

Myth No. 4: California suffers from an exceptionally bloated bureaucracy.

Fact: That&#039;s baloney. Again, the Reagan era puts it in perspective. State government employs roughly the same number of workers per 1,000 population today as then, nine.

Moreover, we have the fifth-lowest number of state employees relative to population in the nation, according to Steve Levy, executive director of the Center for the Continuing Study of the California Economy. We&#039;re 23% below the national average.

Make that also the fifth-lowest nationally when state and local government employees are combined.

Texas&#039; bureaucracy is bigger relatively, both state and local.

&quot;We&#039;re understaffed compared to the national average,&quot; Levy says. &quot;We&#039;re providing services with far fewer employees. It&#039;s pretty dramatic.&quot;

But hold on! Time out!

How big a slice of the budget is going to California&#039;s state employees — in pay, pension and perks — compared to 20 or 40 years ago? Sure, it&#039;s a relatively trim workforce. But how much of the tax pie is it consuming compared to the Reagan era?

Couldn&#039;t get an answer to that one from the finance department. I&#039;ll keep trying.

Myth No. 5: California teachers are pampered and overpaid.

Fact: My wife is a retired teacher, so I&#039;m biased. But it&#039;s blarney.

Yes, the average salary for California teachers, $69,400, is the second-highest in the nation, behind New York&#039;s. But California&#039;s cost of living also is very high; resale housing prices here are 75% steeper than the national average.

Moreover, California teachers may have to work harder. We have the nation&#039;s fourth-lowest ratio of K-12 educators to population, Levy says. California is 20% below the national average; Texas is 25% above. Meanwhile, our proportion of students to population is above average.

California also ranks 46th in K-12 spending per pupil and 47th as a percentage of income.

Funding for elementary schools through community colleges has been chopped by $9 billion in the last four years, from $56.6 billion to $47.6 billion. Brown says he&#039;ll need to whack $4.8 billion more if his taxes aren&#039;t approved.

We could go on and on.

But let&#039;s acknowledge one fact: There&#039;s too much government waste and always has been. The Times regularly unearths it. Democratic legislators could do a better job of rooting it out.

Brown is proposing to eliminate a few dozen boards and commissions he deems wasteful. That&#039;s probably good policy, but it would save only peanuts. It&#039;s sort of like his clamping down on the use of state cars and cellphones. Nice media, but not much money.

More important, with serious billions at stake, the governor seems to be trying to persuade the Legislature to buck labor and adopt major public pension reform, including for local government. That&#039;s where most of the extravagance occurs, especially among executives and politically powerful public safety officers.

That certainly will — and should — be part of the heated debate over taxes and services.

And whichever opinion prevails, it should be based on fact, not myth.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really want to thank the LA Times&#8217; George Skelton for putting in one convenient place all the ammunition needed to blow the right-wing MYTHS about California taxes out of the water!   Read and Learn!</p>
<p>Voters Need Facts, not Myths</p>
<p>State government&#8217;s level of taxing and spending is about the same today as it was decades ago, when Ronald Reagan was governor.</p>
<p>Californians are heading into an intense, critical debate over the level of public service they&#8217;re willing to pay for. So it&#8217;s time to puncture some myths.</p>
<p>Everyone&#8217;s entitled to his own opinion, as the late Daniel Patrick Moynihan used to say, but not his own facts.<br />
Voters owe it to themselves to separate myth from fact as they begin pondering Gov. Jerry Brown&#8217;s planned November ballot initiative to temporarily raise about $7 billion annually from higher income taxes on the rich and sales taxes on everyone. It&#8217;s either that or deeper cuts in education and other services, the governor warns.</p>
<p>Myth No. 1: There&#8217;s no such thing as a temporary tax increase. They all become permanent.</p>
<p>Fact: That&#8217;s just talk-show spiel. Temporary state taxes almost never become permanent.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s only one exception that I can recall. A temporary half-cent sales tax turned into essentially a permanent local tax in 1993 with the voters&#8217; approval. All the revenue was dedicated to local law enforcement and fire protection.</p>
<p>Myth No. 2: Taxes have gone through the roof in California.</p>
<p>Fact: They&#8217;ve been held down. Even if Brown&#8217;s tax hikes are approved by voters, the state tax burden will be basically what it was back when Ronald Reagan was governor in the 1970s.</p>
<p>In Reagan&#8217;s last year in Sacramento, state taxes amounted to $6.89 per $100 of personal income. Currently, the level is $6.45. With the hikes, it would be $6.67, according to the State Department of Finance, which charts such data. The high tax point was $7.96 in 1999.<br />
Also, according to the finance department, California ranks 19th nationally in state and local taxes and fees, at $16.42 per $100 of personal income. The highest-taxing states relative to income are Alaska, Wyoming and New York.</p>
<p>Myth No. 3: California&#8217;s spending has been out of control.</p>
<p>Fact: It&#8217;s on a relatively tight rein. The deficit-ridden state General Fund has been cut by 16% in the last four years, the overall state budget by 2%.</p>
<p>One example: Welfare, the poster child of waste for many on the right, has been slashed to the grant levels of 25 years ago: $638 monthly for a family of three.</p>
<p>But let&#8217;s go back to that conservative icon Reagan. General Fund spending per $100 of income is lower today, $5.14, than it was in his final year, $5.89.</p>
<p>Historically, what really bumped up state spending was Proposition 13 in 1978. That property tax cut prompted the state to begin doling out money to revenue-robbed local governments and schools.</p>
<p>Myth No. 4: California suffers from an exceptionally bloated bureaucracy.</p>
<p>Fact: That&#8217;s baloney. Again, the Reagan era puts it in perspective. State government employs roughly the same number of workers per 1,000 population today as then, nine.</p>
<p>Moreover, we have the fifth-lowest number of state employees relative to population in the nation, according to Steve Levy, executive director of the Center for the Continuing Study of the California Economy. We&#8217;re 23% below the national average.</p>
<p>Make that also the fifth-lowest nationally when state and local government employees are combined.</p>
<p>Texas&#8217; bureaucracy is bigger relatively, both state and local.</p>
<p>&#8220;We&#8217;re understaffed compared to the national average,&#8221; Levy says. &#8220;We&#8217;re providing services with far fewer employees. It&#8217;s pretty dramatic.&#8221;</p>
<p>But hold on! Time out!</p>
<p>How big a slice of the budget is going to California&#8217;s state employees — in pay, pension and perks — compared to 20 or 40 years ago? Sure, it&#8217;s a relatively trim workforce. But how much of the tax pie is it consuming compared to the Reagan era?</p>
<p>Couldn&#8217;t get an answer to that one from the finance department. I&#8217;ll keep trying.</p>
<p>Myth No. 5: California teachers are pampered and overpaid.</p>
<p>Fact: My wife is a retired teacher, so I&#8217;m biased. But it&#8217;s blarney.</p>
<p>Yes, the average salary for California teachers, $69,400, is the second-highest in the nation, behind New York&#8217;s. But California&#8217;s cost of living also is very high; resale housing prices here are 75% steeper than the national average.</p>
<p>Moreover, California teachers may have to work harder. We have the nation&#8217;s fourth-lowest ratio of K-12 educators to population, Levy says. California is 20% below the national average; Texas is 25% above. Meanwhile, our proportion of students to population is above average.</p>
<p>California also ranks 46th in K-12 spending per pupil and 47th as a percentage of income.</p>
<p>Funding for elementary schools through community colleges has been chopped by $9 billion in the last four years, from $56.6 billion to $47.6 billion. Brown says he&#8217;ll need to whack $4.8 billion more if his taxes aren&#8217;t approved.</p>
<p>We could go on and on.</p>
<p>But let&#8217;s acknowledge one fact: There&#8217;s too much government waste and always has been. The Times regularly unearths it. Democratic legislators could do a better job of rooting it out.</p>
<p>Brown is proposing to eliminate a few dozen boards and commissions he deems wasteful. That&#8217;s probably good policy, but it would save only peanuts. It&#8217;s sort of like his clamping down on the use of state cars and cellphones. Nice media, but not much money.</p>
<p>More important, with serious billions at stake, the governor seems to be trying to persuade the Legislature to buck labor and adopt major public pension reform, including for local government. That&#8217;s where most of the extravagance occurs, especially among executives and politically powerful public safety officers.</p>
<p>That certainly will — and should — be part of the heated debate over taxes and services.</p>
<p>And whichever opinion prevails, it should be based on fact, not myth.</p>
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		By: ElGato		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2012 00:33:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I thing what Moonbeam meant by &quot;No more smoke and mirrors...&quot; was that he&#039;ll stop smoking pot and snorting cocaine.  Gov. Clown needs to go to rehab- he&#039;s spent way too many years in The Retard Chamber, a.k.a. politics.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thing what Moonbeam meant by &#8220;No more smoke and mirrors&#8230;&#8221; was that he&#8217;ll stop smoking pot and snorting cocaine.  Gov. Clown needs to go to rehab- he&#8217;s spent way too many years in The Retard Chamber, a.k.a. politics.</p>
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		By: queeg		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 18:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[How can we elect three governors in a row who made gigantic policy mistakes almost monthly???

Brown is much smarter than this....socialist enviro regulations and this doomed rail dealeee are drastically stunting our economy...

Grey Coupon for your Top Ramen anyone???]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How can we elect three governors in a row who made gigantic policy mistakes almost monthly???</p>
<p>Brown is much smarter than this&#8230;.socialist enviro regulations and this doomed rail dealeee are drastically stunting our economy&#8230;</p>
<p>Grey Coupon for your Top Ramen anyone???</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 04:05:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Let&#039;s hope Jerry bears the fruit of his early career decisions to unionize the government work force and legalize sodomy.  That would be a fitting end.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s hope Jerry bears the fruit of his early career decisions to unionize the government work force and legalize sodomy.  That would be a fitting end.</p>
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		By: Beelzebub		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2012 21:46:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;I peg the odds of any tax increase passing in California this November at only about 10 percent&quot;

You&#039;re really sticking your neck out on that call. I sure hope you&#039;re right. You have more faith in the CA voters than I do. 

Don&#039;t ever underestimate Jerry Clown. He&#039;s played the politic&#039;s game for many, many years. He&#039;s slicker than dog crap. 4-5 months prior to the election he&#039;s going to start threatening to cut public services bigtime. You will see more TV ads with a burglar breaking into a single woman&#039;s house - and she gets a busy signal when calling 911. These people are masters at propoganda. Their jobs depend on it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I peg the odds of any tax increase passing in California this November at only about 10 percent&#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;re really sticking your neck out on that call. I sure hope you&#8217;re right. You have more faith in the CA voters than I do. </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t ever underestimate Jerry Clown. He&#8217;s played the politic&#8217;s game for many, many years. He&#8217;s slicker than dog crap. 4-5 months prior to the election he&#8217;s going to start threatening to cut public services bigtime. You will see more TV ads with a burglar breaking into a single woman&#8217;s house &#8211; and she gets a busy signal when calling 911. These people are masters at propoganda. Their jobs depend on it.</p>
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