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		By: Sawbuck Steve		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sawbuck Steve]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jul 2013 23:16:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[BWAHAHAHA! The unions knew just what they wanted! I hope they get what they wanted. And get it good and hard! Wheee! Let the games begin!!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BWAHAHAHA! The unions knew just what they wanted! I hope they get what they wanted. And get it good and hard! Wheee! Let the games begin!!!</p>
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		By: califnan		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2012/03/13/four-new-california-cities-might-dissolve/#comment-15917</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[califnan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2012 01:17:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You&#039;ve got it NWS, and particularly your last paragraph.  I remember when orig property taxes took care of the whole burden.

Now with the squandering: payroll/benefits/pensions (unionized), more hiring, etc etc - it&#039;s ridiculous.

Cut government, if it&#039;s the last thing we do. 

I believe it was a select group who put the Eastvale city thing through, to have more control of the schools, etc.  Most residents don&#039;t even know what&#039;s going on. That&#039;s how things like this happen. Also I&#039;ve heard anyone living in the area for more than ten years, do not have the unreasonable tax burden.

If an Eastvale city council member lived in the area for decades, they probably wouldn&#039;t be affected by spending and tax increases.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;ve got it NWS, and particularly your last paragraph.  I remember when orig property taxes took care of the whole burden.</p>
<p>Now with the squandering: payroll/benefits/pensions (unionized), more hiring, etc etc &#8211; it&#8217;s ridiculous.</p>
<p>Cut government, if it&#8217;s the last thing we do. </p>
<p>I believe it was a select group who put the Eastvale city thing through, to have more control of the schools, etc.  Most residents don&#8217;t even know what&#8217;s going on. That&#8217;s how things like this happen. Also I&#8217;ve heard anyone living in the area for more than ten years, do not have the unreasonable tax burden.</p>
<p>If an Eastvale city council member lived in the area for decades, they probably wouldn&#8217;t be affected by spending and tax increases.</p>
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		By: NoWinSituation		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2012/03/13/four-new-california-cities-might-dissolve/#comment-15916</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[NoWinSituation]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2012 17:26:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Everybody&#039;s broke.  The federal, state, county, and city governments as well as the taxpayers.  Can your property taxes go higher with cityhood?  Absolutely.  Lucky for you new cities can&#039;t raise property taxes within the first 3 years of incorporation.  If they could they would most likely be looking for a property tax increase right now rather than having to face disincorporation. Some people want the &quot;image&quot; of being a city at any cost. They will gladly pay those higher taxes to save that image.  Will you and your neighbors?

But keep in mind the counties are broke too.  If or when these cities disincorporate, the county will be crying about how they need to raise property taxes to support all the &quot;added burden&quot; of getting these cities back.  So you can&#039;t win.

The bottom line is that all levels of government are spending more than we can afford.  Rather than cutting expenditures and entitlements these tax-addicted bodies and union-owned lawmakers keep taking more and more of the shrinking pool of taxpayers&#039; money to fund outrageous pension benefits for government workers, plus education, welfare and subsidized medical &quot;benefits&quot; and prison costs for illegals who send what they earn without taxes here to their families in other countries rather than helping to bear any of the burden of what they cost taxpayers. Unless or until those gaping holes in this sinking ship are plugged, California will continue to fall to the bottom of the sea in education, business competitiveness, and long-term financial viability.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everybody&#8217;s broke.  The federal, state, county, and city governments as well as the taxpayers.  Can your property taxes go higher with cityhood?  Absolutely.  Lucky for you new cities can&#8217;t raise property taxes within the first 3 years of incorporation.  If they could they would most likely be looking for a property tax increase right now rather than having to face disincorporation. Some people want the &#8220;image&#8221; of being a city at any cost. They will gladly pay those higher taxes to save that image.  Will you and your neighbors?</p>
<p>But keep in mind the counties are broke too.  If or when these cities disincorporate, the county will be crying about how they need to raise property taxes to support all the &#8220;added burden&#8221; of getting these cities back.  So you can&#8217;t win.</p>
<p>The bottom line is that all levels of government are spending more than we can afford.  Rather than cutting expenditures and entitlements these tax-addicted bodies and union-owned lawmakers keep taking more and more of the shrinking pool of taxpayers&#8217; money to fund outrageous pension benefits for government workers, plus education, welfare and subsidized medical &#8220;benefits&#8221; and prison costs for illegals who send what they earn without taxes here to their families in other countries rather than helping to bear any of the burden of what they cost taxpayers. Unless or until those gaping holes in this sinking ship are plugged, California will continue to fall to the bottom of the sea in education, business competitiveness, and long-term financial viability.</p>
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		By: califnan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[califnan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2012 15:29:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[My property taxes w supplementals (schools, sewer, etc) are nearly twice what they should be.  $8,200 yearly on a $430,000 home. 

Is becoming a city a financial plus or a minus for an Eastvale resident?  Can my property taxes become even higher with cityhood?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My property taxes w supplementals (schools, sewer, etc) are nearly twice what they should be.  $8,200 yearly on a $430,000 home. </p>
<p>Is becoming a city a financial plus or a minus for an Eastvale resident?  Can my property taxes become even higher with cityhood?</p>
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		By: Robert Wilson		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2012/03/13/four-new-california-cities-might-dissolve/#comment-15914</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Wilson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2012 15:39:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[All of California is the victim of corrupt democrap politicians who have come from the east and the invasion of criminal welfare freeloading illegal Mexicans from the south. California used to be called &quot;The Golden State&quot; . But it has become a third world state due to corrupt politicians like Barbara Boxer and Jerry &quot;Moonbeam&quot; Brown and the illegals who are bankrupting the state with all the free goodies they get from the scumbags buying their votes. If you don&#039;t believe this, just come visit So. Cal. and see for yourself what the illegals have done to once beautiful communities. And they just keep voting the democraps back in office so their gravy train doesn&#039;t stop.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All of California is the victim of corrupt democrap politicians who have come from the east and the invasion of criminal welfare freeloading illegal Mexicans from the south. California used to be called &#8220;The Golden State&#8221; . But it has become a third world state due to corrupt politicians like Barbara Boxer and Jerry &#8220;Moonbeam&#8221; Brown and the illegals who are bankrupting the state with all the free goodies they get from the scumbags buying their votes. If you don&#8217;t believe this, just come visit So. Cal. and see for yourself what the illegals have done to once beautiful communities. And they just keep voting the democraps back in office so their gravy train doesn&#8217;t stop.</p>
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		By: Beelzebub		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2012/03/13/four-new-california-cities-might-dissolve/#comment-15913</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Beelzebub]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Mar 2012 22:29:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hey Wayne, where&#039;d ya go?

No response to that settlement agreement with the Too Big To Fails linked above?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Wayne, where&#8217;d ya go?</p>
<p>No response to that settlement agreement with the Too Big To Fails linked above?</p>
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		By: Beelzebub		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2012/03/13/four-new-california-cities-might-dissolve/#comment-15912</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Beelzebub]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2012 06:16:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;a bureaucratic state in which profit is not tied to performance, but political power.”

That&#039;s just another way to say &#039;fascism&#039;, rex. When corporate powers and government powers merge.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;a bureaucratic state in which profit is not tied to performance, but political power.”</p>
<p>That&#8217;s just another way to say &#8216;fascism&#8217;, rex. When corporate powers and government powers merge.</p>
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		By: Rex The Wonder Dog!		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2012/03/13/four-new-california-cities-might-dissolve/#comment-15911</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rex The Wonder Dog!]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2012 21:47:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Beelz, that Matt Tiabbi piece was awesome. I liekd the last paragraph;

 &quot;But one thing that everyone on this spectrum of beliefs can agree upon is that our system doesn’t work when corrupt companies, companies that should fail in the free market, are kept alive by the government. When we allow that, what we get is a system that is neither capitalism nor socialist, but somewhere more miserably in between – &lt;b&gt;a bureaucratic state in which profit is not tied to performance, but political power.&quot;&lt;/b&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beelz, that Matt Tiabbi piece was awesome. I liekd the last paragraph;</p>
<p> &#8220;But one thing that everyone on this spectrum of beliefs can agree upon is that our system doesn’t work when corrupt companies, companies that should fail in the free market, are kept alive by the government. When we allow that, what we get is a system that is neither capitalism nor socialist, but somewhere more miserably in between – <b>a bureaucratic state in which profit is not tied to performance, but political power.&#8221;</b></p>
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		By: Beelzebub		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2012/03/13/four-new-california-cities-might-dissolve/#comment-15910</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Beelzebub]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2012 14:48:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Why did the banks pick the most conservative investments – mortgages – if they were out for greed and enrichment?&quot;

The banksters made 100&#039;s of billions of dollars off the mortgage scam and the collateralization of the toxic mortgage backed securities sold to unwary investors who believed at the time of purchase that the securities met sound underwriting standards. That&#039;s not an opinion. That&#039;s a fact. I wouldn&#039;t exactly call that a &#039;conservative&#039; scam by any stretch. It was the biggest ripoff in the history of the world. 

&quot;And why don’t the Attorney Generals prosecute such bankers?&quot;

The AG&#039;s are in bed with the banksters. The lion&#039;s share of the money from the recent housing settlement is being used to plug the state budget holes - not to compensate the victims who were defrauded by the banksters. It&#039;s free money for the states. So the deal was to take the money while giving all the banksters immunity from criminal prosecution. The banksters broke the laws and are only subject to miniscule fines (compared to profits made off the scam) which is considered the cost of doing busiiness. Besides, those costs will be passed onto the consumer in form of higher interest rates and fees. 

Here is proof of the illegal acts of deceptive practices and fraud thoughout every stage of the mortgage process - from origination through foreclosure. The actual settlement between the AG and the TBTF banksters. Scroll through PP. 21-46, Wayne. And these are ONLY the crimes that the banksters have acknowledged! 

http://www.scribd.com/doc/85355086/AG-Settlement-Complaint]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Why did the banks pick the most conservative investments – mortgages – if they were out for greed and enrichment?&#8221;</p>
<p>The banksters made 100&#8217;s of billions of dollars off the mortgage scam and the collateralization of the toxic mortgage backed securities sold to unwary investors who believed at the time of purchase that the securities met sound underwriting standards. That&#8217;s not an opinion. That&#8217;s a fact. I wouldn&#8217;t exactly call that a &#8216;conservative&#8217; scam by any stretch. It was the biggest ripoff in the history of the world. </p>
<p>&#8220;And why don’t the Attorney Generals prosecute such bankers?&#8221;</p>
<p>The AG&#8217;s are in bed with the banksters. The lion&#8217;s share of the money from the recent housing settlement is being used to plug the state budget holes &#8211; not to compensate the victims who were defrauded by the banksters. It&#8217;s free money for the states. So the deal was to take the money while giving all the banksters immunity from criminal prosecution. The banksters broke the laws and are only subject to miniscule fines (compared to profits made off the scam) which is considered the cost of doing busiiness. Besides, those costs will be passed onto the consumer in form of higher interest rates and fees. </p>
<p>Here is proof of the illegal acts of deceptive practices and fraud thoughout every stage of the mortgage process &#8211; from origination through foreclosure. The actual settlement between the AG and the TBTF banksters. Scroll through PP. 21-46, Wayne. And these are ONLY the crimes that the banksters have acknowledged! </p>
<p><a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/85355086/AG-Settlement-Complaint" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.scribd.com/doc/85355086/AG-Settlement-Complaint</a></p>
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		By: Wayne Lusvardi		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wayne Lusvardi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2012 18:46:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Why did the banks pick the most conservative investments - mortgages - if they were out for greed and enrichment? 

And why don&#039;t the Attorney Generals prosecute such bankers?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why did the banks pick the most conservative investments &#8211; mortgages &#8211; if they were out for greed and enrichment? </p>
<p>And why don&#8217;t the Attorney Generals prosecute such bankers?</p>
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