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	Comments on: Greens Want Energy Bubble Loans from CPUC	</title>
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		By: nowsane		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2012/03/30/greens-want-energy-bubble-loans-from-cpuc/#comment-16368</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2012 23:13:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Fine Mr. C.,
1. Let&#039;s eliminate all the subsidies in total, and then see how poorly solar compares.
2.  To what dirty energy costs are you referring?
3.  We have more than 100 years of coal reserves as well as natural gas, on the land, not even considering offshore. The Simon-Ehrlich Wager, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon%E2%80%93Ehrlich_wager
 demonstrated that commodities have consistently declined in price over time. That trend continues today, as prices start to creep upward, innovation and entrepreneurship kick-in and new sources are found, or substitutes are found. Right now an Italian is working on cold fusion and natural gas has all the makings of a total replacement for nuclear AND coal, http://bit.ly/HNszZw 
with no federal mandate, if the feds get out of the way, as have for the last 3 yrs!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fine Mr. C.,<br />
1. Let&#8217;s eliminate all the subsidies in total, and then see how poorly solar compares.<br />
2.  To what dirty energy costs are you referring?<br />
3.  We have more than 100 years of coal reserves as well as natural gas, on the land, not even considering offshore. The Simon-Ehrlich Wager, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon%E2%80%93Ehrlich_wager" rel="nofollow ugc">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon%E2%80%93Ehrlich_wager</a><br />
 demonstrated that commodities have consistently declined in price over time. That trend continues today, as prices start to creep upward, innovation and entrepreneurship kick-in and new sources are found, or substitutes are found. Right now an Italian is working on cold fusion and natural gas has all the makings of a total replacement for nuclear AND coal, <a href="http://bit.ly/HNszZw" rel="nofollow ugc">http://bit.ly/HNszZw</a><br />
with no federal mandate, if the feds get out of the way, as have for the last 3 yrs!</p>
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		By: C		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2012/03/30/greens-want-energy-bubble-loans-from-cpuc/#comment-16367</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2012 01:16:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Comparing the costs of green energy to other grid power is a misnomer because:

1) Coal, natural gas, oil and nuclear all receive massive government subsidies that dwarf those of the renewable energy industry and bring down their costs making most cost comparisons used by these industries complete falsehoods

2) Most straight cost comparisons fail to account for added costs of dirty energy to the country 

3) NatGas, Oil and Uranium are all rapidly diminishing resources that only have a few decades left of availability]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comparing the costs of green energy to other grid power is a misnomer because:</p>
<p>1) Coal, natural gas, oil and nuclear all receive massive government subsidies that dwarf those of the renewable energy industry and bring down their costs making most cost comparisons used by these industries complete falsehoods</p>
<p>2) Most straight cost comparisons fail to account for added costs of dirty energy to the country </p>
<p>3) NatGas, Oil and Uranium are all rapidly diminishing resources that only have a few decades left of availability</p>
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		By: YJ Draiman for Mayor of LA		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2012/03/30/greens-want-energy-bubble-loans-from-cpuc/#comment-16366</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[YJ Draiman for Mayor of LA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2012 08:19:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[PAY AS YOU SAVE Energy conservation financing program

The program will allow participants to purchase and install energy efficient products
And equipment (or “measures”), with no up-front cost. These measures can include modifications to lighting, heating, cooling, other energy efficient electric, gas and non-electric equipment and systems. Major measures promoted: lighting, weatherization, water saving devices and clock thermostats in both electric and non-electrically heated homes and businesses.  We should also accept a variety of measures (provided they pass the Program qualification. This can apply to any conservation method, renewable energy systems (solar, photovoltaic, geothermal, wind), electric, gas and water.
Primary goals should be lighting retrofits, motor retrofit, HVAC efficiency, insulation and attic fans, windows, energy efficient appliances, water conservation equipment and techniques, rainwater harvesting, utilization of gray water, landscaping for energy conservation.
HOW DO WE PROPOSE TO FINANCE THE COSTS: There is no up-front cost to the participants? Instead, the utility pays all initial costs associated with the purchase and installation of approved measures. (We must keep the costs competitive and reasonable)
Then, an Energy Finance Charge (EFC) is calculated and added to the ember’s/customers monthly utility bill until all costs are repaid.
A fund will be set up and the payments will reimburse the fund monthly.
Calculating the Term: Financing charge amounts itemized on the monthly utility bill should be based on two thirds of the estimated savings that will come from the measures installed. 
This way, the monthly charge should be designed to be less than the savings realized on each bill once the new measures are installed and implemented.
If customers wish to pay off their Financing charges balances quicker (which in some cases they do), up to one hundred percent (100%) of the savings can be used to form the basis of their monthly Finance charge amount.
Payments Linked to Meter (not customer): The payments are always linked to the service location, not to the customer. So if an Energy Financing Charge (EFC) participant moves or sells, the new owner continues making the payments for the duration of the payment term, unless the previous owner/tenant chooses to pay off the obligation before selling or moving. 
Also, the payments include a small percentage risk mitigation adder (5%) to protect the utility from bad debt risks associated with some portion of participants’ failure to pay.
To protect the utilities and their broader membership/customer base against other potential risks, three key requirements are included in the EFC program for those that choose to participate:
• Maintenance: All measures must be maintained in place and in good working order during the entire repayment period – the utility will help arrange for repairs, but any associated costs will be added to the EFC on the utility bill, or will extend the payment term to ensure recovery of these additional charges.
• Disconnection: All payments must be made on time – EFC charges are treated like other charges on the utility bill that are subject to service disconnection for non-payment.
• Disclosure: If the home or business is sold or rented, disclosure of the remaining monthly EFC payment amounts must be made to the potential purchaser or tenant (since they will be taking over the remaining payment obligation), unless the current owner chooses to pay the balance off before the sale or rental.
This proposed program – managed efficiently, will advance and expedite our reduction in the use of energy and resources in an expedited manner and reduce our dependence on foreign energy sources.
It will also promote an economic boom in the geographical areas where such program is implemented.
by: YJ Draiman, Energy analyst – Revised 5/31/2008.

PS. San Diego Gas &#038; Electric offers up to $50,000 financing foe energy efficiency implementation over a 5 year period added to your Utility bill.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PAY AS YOU SAVE Energy conservation financing program</p>
<p>The program will allow participants to purchase and install energy efficient products<br />
And equipment (or “measures”), with no up-front cost. These measures can include modifications to lighting, heating, cooling, other energy efficient electric, gas and non-electric equipment and systems. Major measures promoted: lighting, weatherization, water saving devices and clock thermostats in both electric and non-electrically heated homes and businesses.  We should also accept a variety of measures (provided they pass the Program qualification. This can apply to any conservation method, renewable energy systems (solar, photovoltaic, geothermal, wind), electric, gas and water.<br />
Primary goals should be lighting retrofits, motor retrofit, HVAC efficiency, insulation and attic fans, windows, energy efficient appliances, water conservation equipment and techniques, rainwater harvesting, utilization of gray water, landscaping for energy conservation.<br />
HOW DO WE PROPOSE TO FINANCE THE COSTS: There is no up-front cost to the participants? Instead, the utility pays all initial costs associated with the purchase and installation of approved measures. (We must keep the costs competitive and reasonable)<br />
Then, an Energy Finance Charge (EFC) is calculated and added to the ember’s/customers monthly utility bill until all costs are repaid.<br />
A fund will be set up and the payments will reimburse the fund monthly.<br />
Calculating the Term: Financing charge amounts itemized on the monthly utility bill should be based on two thirds of the estimated savings that will come from the measures installed.<br />
This way, the monthly charge should be designed to be less than the savings realized on each bill once the new measures are installed and implemented.<br />
If customers wish to pay off their Financing charges balances quicker (which in some cases they do), up to one hundred percent (100%) of the savings can be used to form the basis of their monthly Finance charge amount.<br />
Payments Linked to Meter (not customer): The payments are always linked to the service location, not to the customer. So if an Energy Financing Charge (EFC) participant moves or sells, the new owner continues making the payments for the duration of the payment term, unless the previous owner/tenant chooses to pay off the obligation before selling or moving.<br />
Also, the payments include a small percentage risk mitigation adder (5%) to protect the utility from bad debt risks associated with some portion of participants’ failure to pay.<br />
To protect the utilities and their broader membership/customer base against other potential risks, three key requirements are included in the EFC program for those that choose to participate:<br />
• Maintenance: All measures must be maintained in place and in good working order during the entire repayment period – the utility will help arrange for repairs, but any associated costs will be added to the EFC on the utility bill, or will extend the payment term to ensure recovery of these additional charges.<br />
• Disconnection: All payments must be made on time – EFC charges are treated like other charges on the utility bill that are subject to service disconnection for non-payment.<br />
• Disclosure: If the home or business is sold or rented, disclosure of the remaining monthly EFC payment amounts must be made to the potential purchaser or tenant (since they will be taking over the remaining payment obligation), unless the current owner chooses to pay the balance off before the sale or rental.<br />
This proposed program – managed efficiently, will advance and expedite our reduction in the use of energy and resources in an expedited manner and reduce our dependence on foreign energy sources.<br />
It will also promote an economic boom in the geographical areas where such program is implemented.<br />
by: YJ Draiman, Energy analyst – Revised 5/31/2008.</p>
<p>PS. San Diego Gas &amp; Electric offers up to $50,000 financing foe energy efficiency implementation over a 5 year period added to your Utility bill.</p>
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		By: queeg		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2012/03/30/greens-want-energy-bubble-loans-from-cpuc/#comment-16365</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[queeg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Apr 2012 05:50:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Try and get certified repair parts and warrantied repairs on solar contraptions....and legit repairmen far and few afield!


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Try and get certified repair parts and warrantied repairs on solar contraptions&#8230;.and legit repairmen far and few afield!</p>
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		By: Wayne Lusvardi		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2012/03/30/greens-want-energy-bubble-loans-from-cpuc/#comment-16364</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wayne Lusvardi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Mar 2012 17:12:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the correction - it is Senate Bill 998]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the correction &#8211; it is Senate Bill 998</p>
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		By: cacheguy		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2012/03/30/greens-want-energy-bubble-loans-from-cpuc/#comment-16363</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cacheguy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Mar 2012 13:17:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I believe the correct bill number is SB 998.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe the correct bill number is SB 998.</p>
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		By: Wayne Lusvardi		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2012/03/30/greens-want-energy-bubble-loans-from-cpuc/#comment-16362</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wayne Lusvardi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Mar 2012 03:50:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Larry 62
Solar hot water heating is legitimate use of solar technology and solar hot water heating too.  I was once a coordinator of a solar hot water heating project.  

But solar voltaic for electricity requires a subsidy.  

Thanks for the comment. 
WL]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Larry 62<br />
Solar hot water heating is legitimate use of solar technology and solar hot water heating too.  I was once a coordinator of a solar hot water heating project.  </p>
<p>But solar voltaic for electricity requires a subsidy.  </p>
<p>Thanks for the comment.<br />
WL</p>
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		By: larry 62		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2012/03/30/greens-want-energy-bubble-loans-from-cpuc/#comment-16361</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[larry 62]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2012 20:47:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Got one of those Jerry Brown solar subsidies in 1978 . It paid for half of my solar heating system for my pool. I thought it was pretty cool at the time, but looking back at it, not so much.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Got one of those Jerry Brown solar subsidies in 1978 . It paid for half of my solar heating system for my pool. I thought it was pretty cool at the time, but looking back at it, not so much.</p>
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		By: queeg		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2012/03/30/greens-want-energy-bubble-loans-from-cpuc/#comment-16360</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[queeg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2012 17:15:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The young and dumb in California really believe...someone else will pay for my upper middle class lifestyle!!!!

After all this bleeder alternative energy pap is enacted your frozen TV dinner will be 8 bucks....you will pay 6 bucks for a small ice cream cone....your refrigerator will be a canned food storage unit!!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The young and dumb in California really believe&#8230;someone else will pay for my upper middle class lifestyle!!!!</p>
<p>After all this bleeder alternative energy pap is enacted your frozen TV dinner will be 8 bucks&#8230;.you will pay 6 bucks for a small ice cream cone&#8230;.your refrigerator will be a canned food storage unit!!!</p>
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