Comments on: Prop 29 shaping up to be fiscal disaster

By: Escovado

Escovado — Tue, 05 Jun 2012 14:14:04 +0000

Tax cigarettes to discourage smoking…but fight to make marijuana legal to smoke. My state never ceases to amaze me.

By: Beelzebub

Beelzebub — Wed, 30 May 2012 05:58:27 +0000

Mr. Donkey – my point is that this is a systemic coverup. Lots of people commit crimes under the influence of drugs or alcohol. It could be argued that they were not in their right minds when the act was perpetrated. But are they allowed by the courts to use an ‘insanity’ defense. Of course not. Have you ever heard of a defendant accused of murder use the defense “Zoloft made me do it”? Besides, Orban was drinking heavily right before he kidnapped the poor woman. He did that VOLUNTARILY. No one forced him.

Now throw in the major newspapers that are not reporting on this case. They don’t want to cast a negative light on the cops with bad publicity – so they remain silent when this case should be followed day by day.

The entire system is set up to protect their interests, whereas if an ordinary civilian committed those crimes he would be thrown to the wolves.

If Orban skates on this or is deemed “insane” and is allowed to go to a medical facility for mental health treatment until ‘cured’ and released – you know the system is totally rigged. Keep a watchful eye on this case.

By: Donkey

Donkey — Wed, 30 May 2012 01:48:07 +0000

OCO, as to post #17, yes, I have been looking at the same Inland Valley paper.

What I have seen when it comes to LE RAGWUS criminals, the prosecutors fail to levy the fifteen to thirty charges on the perp cop because he wears a badge. The typical “civilian” is terrorized by the sadists in the DA RAGWUS with fifty to one hundred years of prison time if they fail to cop a plea bargain.

We have to look no further than Chief Adams of Bell to see that the gun toting arm of Bell were the muscle that harrassed the citizens with every type of code violation possible to fund their crooked scam. Yet they all walked with no charges. In my book they were the worst of the bunch, if only because they should have known better. 🙂

By: Beelzebub

Beelzebub — Sat, 26 May 2012 22:37:10 +0000

Mr. Donkey – did you know that Anthony Orban’s trial in underway? He’s the OC detective from Westminster who kidnapped the waitress/mother as she got off work and made her drive to a industrial park where he raped and sodomized her while inserting his service firearm into her mouth. He is using the Zoloft defense and claiming insanity!!! heh. Naturally they are paying off some doctors to testify on his behalf. How many Americans are taking antidepressants and how many of them kidnap innocent women and rape/sodomize them? If the pig beats the charges or was deemed to be “insane” at the time of the act – you know the entire system is rigged.

Naturally none of the OC newspapers are reporting day to day on the trial. The OC Register had one article in the very beginning and, as far as I know, that was it. But if an ex-NFL player is involved in a murder – they have day to day coverage. Goes to show how the mainstream media goes out of it’s way to protect the cop industry. The only paper that I can find reporting on it regularly is the Inland Valley Daily Bulletin.

More cover-ups by discounting the story.

By: Roger

Roger — Sat, 26 May 2012 22:33:11 +0000

If it weren’t for the tobacco company money there would be zero ads against Prop 29. I guess Phillip Morris is right. Just keep repeating the same lies enough and people will believe it.

By: Fred Mangels

Fred Mangels — Sat, 26 May 2012 18:07:42 +0000

Be careful who you decide to selectively punish for a lifestyle that you happen to dislike.

Exactly, simpleeconomics. They’ll likely come after something you like next.

By: ron

ron — Sat, 26 May 2012 16:15:06 +0000

Tax the poor to feed the rich!!

By: Donkey

Donkey — Sat, 26 May 2012 02:09:05 +0000

SimpleEconomics, or should I say RepressEconomics. Like all the RAGWUS feeder humanitarians, you seek control of others based on your sense of being annoited to the position of all seeing and all knowing universial lifeforce and world spirt. One thing that government does well is the fact that it uses it power to influence the dislike of those people that it wants revenue from by painting them in a bad light and with a broad brush.

We don’t need another bureaucracy of any kind. What we need is harsh and quick cuts to all government workers, 30% cut in pay, 50% cut in benefits, remove all perks, and cut all pensions over $40,000 by 50% or to the $40,000 level,with no pension being over $50,000 under any circumstances, cut all COLA’s to zero and no spiking for any reason. 🙂

By: Beelzebub

Beelzebub — Fri, 25 May 2012 23:06:33 +0000

SimpleEconomics, I bet if I taxed you heavily for using water that eventually I could get you to stop taking baths too. We could use your tax money to save the delta smelt. heh. 🙂 How would you like those apples, my friend???

Be careful who you decide to selectively punish for a lifestyle that you happen to dislike. 😉

By: SimpleEconomics

SimpleEconomics — Fri, 25 May 2012 19:54:46 +0000

“However, not only is there no scientific data showing that taxing smokers encourages people to quit smoking…” Here is where I disagree. While demand for cigarettes is very inelastic, there’s still a proportion of smokers who are price sensitive. By definition, this means a tax increase will cause the price sensitive smokers to lower their quantity demanded. If you can show me evidence that the current smokers in California have an an aggregate demand that is completely inelastic, you are correct that this tax will be ineffective. Given that there are still tons of smokers remaining in California, my guess is the odds of no price sensitive smokers remaining is really low. In a perfect world, every smoker bears 100% of the direct and indirect costs associated with smoking. That’s highly unlikely so the I don’t have a problem with the state taking the cheapest way out: reducing the number of smokers.