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		By: Claire Voyance		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2012/06/05/ca-pension-reform-opponents-squawking-about-election-results/#comment-19701</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Claire Voyance]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2012 00:30:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Tough Love,

Enjoy:

[1] 

Whenever I raise the point that Greedy Pigs (a.k.a. police) and Greedy Hosers (a.k.a. firefighters) receive obscene salaries, benefits, and pensions, a Greedy Pig, Greedy Hoser, or some yahoo always says “well, who you gonna call to come save you?” 


I’m going to call the Greedy Pigs or Greedy Hosers to &quot;save me&quot; because I am forced, against my will, to pay taxes that pay for the Greedy Pigs’ and Greedy Hosers’ obscene salaries, benefits, and pensions. 
Because I am forced, against my will, to pay for the service, I&#039;ll use the service. 
I do NOT have the right to choose not to pay taxes and, thus, not to pay for the Greedy Pigs’ and Greedy Hosers’ obscene salaries, benefits, and pensions. 

[2] 

Whenever I raise the point that Greedy Pigs (a.k.a. police) and Greedy Hosers (a.k.a. firefighters) receive obscene salaries, benefits, and pensions, a Greedy Pig, Greedy Hoser, or some yahoo always says “well, look how much professional athletes and other entertainers are paid!” 


I have the right to choose not to buy tickets, clothing, etc. sold by professional sports teams or other entertainment companies and, thus, not to pay for professional athletes’ and/or entertainers&#039; salaries, benefits, and pensions. 
Again, I do NOT have the right to choose not to pay taxes and, thus, not to pay for the Greedy Pigs’ and Greedy Hosers’ obscene salaries, benefits, and pensions. 

[3] 


Police and fire services are a monopoly that the Greedy Pigs and Greedy Hosers have ruthlessly exploited to the detriment of hardworking taxpayers.  Greedy Pigs and Greedy Hosers do NOT need to compete in the marketplace to attract and retain customers (i.e. taxpayers). Worse, customers (i.e. taxpayers) are unable to “shop around” for a better price and/or better service. 

“Since monopolies are the only provider, they can set pretty much any price they choose, regardless of demand, because they know the consumer has no choice. They can also supply inferior products. They are also bad for an economy because the manufacturer has no incentive to innovate, and provide &quot;new and improved&quot; products.” (By Kimberly Amadeo; About.com; source: http://useconomy.about.com/od/glossary/g/monopoly.htm)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tough Love,</p>
<p>Enjoy:</p>
<p>[1] </p>
<p>Whenever I raise the point that Greedy Pigs (a.k.a. police) and Greedy Hosers (a.k.a. firefighters) receive obscene salaries, benefits, and pensions, a Greedy Pig, Greedy Hoser, or some yahoo always says “well, who you gonna call to come save you?” </p>
<p>I’m going to call the Greedy Pigs or Greedy Hosers to &#8220;save me&#8221; because I am forced, against my will, to pay taxes that pay for the Greedy Pigs’ and Greedy Hosers’ obscene salaries, benefits, and pensions.<br />
Because I am forced, against my will, to pay for the service, I&#8217;ll use the service.<br />
I do NOT have the right to choose not to pay taxes and, thus, not to pay for the Greedy Pigs’ and Greedy Hosers’ obscene salaries, benefits, and pensions. </p>
<p>[2] </p>
<p>Whenever I raise the point that Greedy Pigs (a.k.a. police) and Greedy Hosers (a.k.a. firefighters) receive obscene salaries, benefits, and pensions, a Greedy Pig, Greedy Hoser, or some yahoo always says “well, look how much professional athletes and other entertainers are paid!” </p>
<p>I have the right to choose not to buy tickets, clothing, etc. sold by professional sports teams or other entertainment companies and, thus, not to pay for professional athletes’ and/or entertainers&#8217; salaries, benefits, and pensions.<br />
Again, I do NOT have the right to choose not to pay taxes and, thus, not to pay for the Greedy Pigs’ and Greedy Hosers’ obscene salaries, benefits, and pensions. </p>
<p>[3] </p>
<p>Police and fire services are a monopoly that the Greedy Pigs and Greedy Hosers have ruthlessly exploited to the detriment of hardworking taxpayers.  Greedy Pigs and Greedy Hosers do NOT need to compete in the marketplace to attract and retain customers (i.e. taxpayers). Worse, customers (i.e. taxpayers) are unable to “shop around” for a better price and/or better service. </p>
<p>“Since monopolies are the only provider, they can set pretty much any price they choose, regardless of demand, because they know the consumer has no choice. They can also supply inferior products. They are also bad for an economy because the manufacturer has no incentive to innovate, and provide &#8220;new and improved&#8221; products.” (By Kimberly Amadeo; About.com; source: <a href="http://useconomy.about.com/od/glossary/g/monopoly.htm" rel="nofollow ugc">http://useconomy.about.com/od/glossary/g/monopoly.htm</a>)</p>
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		By: Donkey		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2012/06/05/ca-pension-reform-opponents-squawking-about-election-results/#comment-19700</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Donkey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2012 20:19:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Set free from excessive pension costs, excessive pay, excessive benefits, and excessive perks that were all derived from dishonest tactics created by the RAGWUS. :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Set free from excessive pension costs, excessive pay, excessive benefits, and excessive perks that were all derived from dishonest tactics created by the RAGWUS. 🙂</p>
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		By: SkippingDog		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2012/06/05/ca-pension-reform-opponents-squawking-about-election-results/#comment-19699</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SkippingDog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2012 18:01:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What will the citizens be set free from, Donkey?  The rules necessary for us to have a civilized society?  The need to educate our kids?  The obligations that come along with citizenship?

I&#039;m curious.  What does your perfect, post-government world look like?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What will the citizens be set free from, Donkey?  The rules necessary for us to have a civilized society?  The need to educate our kids?  The obligations that come along with citizenship?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m curious.  What does your perfect, post-government world look like?</p>
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		By: Donkey		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2012/06/05/ca-pension-reform-opponents-squawking-about-election-results/#comment-19698</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Donkey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2012 13:40:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[TL is right on with his words SKdog. And whether you respond to his comments or not, the end is near for the RAGWUS, and the citizens will be set free.  :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TL is right on with his words SKdog. And whether you respond to his comments or not, the end is near for the RAGWUS, and the citizens will be set free.  🙂</p>
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		By: Skippingdog		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2012/06/05/ca-pension-reform-opponents-squawking-about-election-results/#comment-19697</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Skippingdog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2012 06:11:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[No, TL, your other &quot;points&quot; are nothing more than unsupported canards based on your hate of all government entities.  There&#039;s no reason to respond to them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, TL, your other &#8220;points&#8221; are nothing more than unsupported canards based on your hate of all government entities.  There&#8217;s no reason to respond to them.</p>
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		By: Tough Love		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2012/06/05/ca-pension-reform-opponents-squawking-about-election-results/#comment-19696</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tough Love]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2012 00:21:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Skippy,  Responding to your last comment,  sure, it would apply, but those CORPORATE &quot;rent seekers&quot; ultimately have customers who have a choice to (a) by that company&#039;s product, (b) buy a competitor&#039;s product, or (c) decide it&#039;s too expensive and not buy the product at all.

Consumers of Public Sector services have no choice to pay the bill (via their taxes) whether they want the service or not, or whether it&#039;s efficient;y provided or not.  No comparable control exist to keep public sector prices (and hence the taxes we must pay for them) in check.

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What ?  No comeback on my OTHER 4 bullets as to why Public Sector Unions are a CANCER on Society ?  Than you agree with me ?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Skippy,  Responding to your last comment,  sure, it would apply, but those CORPORATE &#8220;rent seekers&#8221; ultimately have customers who have a choice to (a) by that company&#8217;s product, (b) buy a competitor&#8217;s product, or (c) decide it&#8217;s too expensive and not buy the product at all.</p>
<p>Consumers of Public Sector services have no choice to pay the bill (via their taxes) whether they want the service or not, or whether it&#8217;s efficient;y provided or not.  No comparable control exist to keep public sector prices (and hence the taxes we must pay for them) in check.</p>
<p>*******************<br />
What ?  No comeback on my OTHER 4 bullets as to why Public Sector Unions are a CANCER on Society ?  Than you agree with me ?</p>
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		By: SkippingDog		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2012/06/05/ca-pension-reform-opponents-squawking-about-election-results/#comment-19695</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SkippingDog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2012 21:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Public Sector Unions pervert the proper roll of gov’t, to provide an acceptable level of services at the lowest possible cost) only those service that cannot reasonably be provided by the Private Sector (e.g., Police)&quot;

Wouldn&#039;t your complaint here apply to every rent seeker who lobbies our government for special attention or support?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Public Sector Unions pervert the proper roll of gov’t, to provide an acceptable level of services at the lowest possible cost) only those service that cannot reasonably be provided by the Private Sector (e.g., Police)&#8221;</p>
<p>Wouldn&#8217;t your complaint here apply to every rent seeker who lobbies our government for special attention or support?</p>
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		By: Beelzebub		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2012/06/05/ca-pension-reform-opponents-squawking-about-election-results/#comment-19694</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Beelzebub]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2012 20:39:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You or I will never convince them, Mr. Donkey. They know the difference between right and wrong. They have simply chosen &#039;wrong&#039; and have no intention of changing their ways or cleaning up their immoral lives. 

The only one with the power to change them is Mr. Math. And he&#039;s lurking in the background here with a big crap-eatin&#039; grin on his face. 

We know the eventual outcome, Mr. Donkey. So do they. But in their warped and distorted minds they think Mr. Pol is going to come riding in on a big white horse in the end and save them.

heh. Nothing is farther from the truth. NTHEOC has many years left until retirement. He is really going to take it in the shorts. No way does this economy hold up until he retires. He will see the house of cards fall. And he will pay the consequences.

Public Service Announcement.......nothing follows.............]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You or I will never convince them, Mr. Donkey. They know the difference between right and wrong. They have simply chosen &#8216;wrong&#8217; and have no intention of changing their ways or cleaning up their immoral lives. </p>
<p>The only one with the power to change them is Mr. Math. And he&#8217;s lurking in the background here with a big crap-eatin&#8217; grin on his face. </p>
<p>We know the eventual outcome, Mr. Donkey. So do they. But in their warped and distorted minds they think Mr. Pol is going to come riding in on a big white horse in the end and save them.</p>
<p>heh. Nothing is farther from the truth. NTHEOC has many years left until retirement. He is really going to take it in the shorts. No way does this economy hold up until he retires. He will see the house of cards fall. And he will pay the consequences.</p>
<p>Public Service Announcement&#8230;&#8230;.nothing follows&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		By: Donkey		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2012/06/05/ca-pension-reform-opponents-squawking-about-election-results/#comment-19693</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Donkey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2012 17:51:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[NTHEOC wrote: &quot;Too many voters have never known what it is like to work 80 or more hours a week for substandard wages in poor working conditions but they may soon find out.&quot;

   You are so incorrect with your point above NTHEOC. The non-RAGWUS workers are having to work longer and harder to supply your lard-laden pay, benefits, perks, and pensions. 

   The truth is spreading fast about the RAGWUS. Many citzens, when reading about your pay, benefits, perks, and pensions thought to themselves that it must be a misprint or misstatment, only to find out that it is the truth and the RAGWUS members were little more than thieving crooks, with no compassion for the folks footing the bill.  :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NTHEOC wrote: &#8220;Too many voters have never known what it is like to work 80 or more hours a week for substandard wages in poor working conditions but they may soon find out.&#8221;</p>
<p>   You are so incorrect with your point above NTHEOC. The non-RAGWUS workers are having to work longer and harder to supply your lard-laden pay, benefits, perks, and pensions. </p>
<p>   The truth is spreading fast about the RAGWUS. Many citzens, when reading about your pay, benefits, perks, and pensions thought to themselves that it must be a misprint or misstatment, only to find out that it is the truth and the RAGWUS members were little more than thieving crooks, with no compassion for the folks footing the bill.  🙂</p>
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		By: Tough Love		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2012/06/05/ca-pension-reform-opponents-squawking-about-election-results/#comment-19692</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tough Love]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2012 17:40:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[NTHEOC,   You wanted to know why I stated  ... &quot;Public Sector Unions are a CANCER on Society&quot;

Let me count the ways ....

- the motes-operandi of Public Sector Unions can be summarized as MORE MORE MORE, ME ME ME, and to hell with the Taxpayers

- a large potion of Public Sector Union dues turn into campaign contributions BUYING favorable votes (from the recipients of those contributions) on pay, pension, and benefits FAR FAR FAR greater than what is necessary to attract and retain a qualified workforce.

- the insatiable greed and the resultant diversion of tax revenue to fund these FAR greater pension and FAR better benefits sucks money from much more appropriate community services (road maintenance, parks, libraries, recreation programs for children, etc.).

- Public Sector Unions pervert the proper roll of gov&#039;t, to provide an acceptable level of services at the lowest possible cost) only those service that cannot reasonably be provided by the Private Sector (e.g., Police)

- Unions protect the worst of the worst, the lazy, the incompetent, the work-rule, sick-leave, and disability abusers, and at times, even criminals in their ranks.

I could go on and on ......... but I&#039;m sure you get the picture.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NTHEOC,   You wanted to know why I stated  &#8230; &#8220;Public Sector Unions are a CANCER on Society&#8221;</p>
<p>Let me count the ways &#8230;.</p>
<p>&#8211; the motes-operandi of Public Sector Unions can be summarized as MORE MORE MORE, ME ME ME, and to hell with the Taxpayers</p>
<p>&#8211; a large potion of Public Sector Union dues turn into campaign contributions BUYING favorable votes (from the recipients of those contributions) on pay, pension, and benefits FAR FAR FAR greater than what is necessary to attract and retain a qualified workforce.</p>
<p>&#8211; the insatiable greed and the resultant diversion of tax revenue to fund these FAR greater pension and FAR better benefits sucks money from much more appropriate community services (road maintenance, parks, libraries, recreation programs for children, etc.).</p>
<p>&#8211; Public Sector Unions pervert the proper roll of gov&#8217;t, to provide an acceptable level of services at the lowest possible cost) only those service that cannot reasonably be provided by the Private Sector (e.g., Police)</p>
<p>&#8211; Unions protect the worst of the worst, the lazy, the incompetent, the work-rule, sick-leave, and disability abusers, and at times, even criminals in their ranks.</p>
<p>I could go on and on &#8230;&#8230;&#8230; but I&#8217;m sure you get the picture.</p>
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