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		By: Spurwing Plover		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2012/06/06/shock-wind-energy-goes-radioactive/#comment-118061</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2015 20:31:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Al Gore needs to appoligise for cheating people out of their money by selling his fruadulent junk science film the Oscars need to appoligise for giving this fruadlent film a award the Peace Prize Commity needs to appoligise for awarding this con-man and eco-freaks need to appoligise for supporting these damn bird and bat maming windturbines]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Al Gore needs to appoligise for cheating people out of their money by selling his fruadulent junk science film the Oscars need to appoligise for giving this fruadlent film a award the Peace Prize Commity needs to appoligise for awarding this con-man and eco-freaks need to appoligise for supporting these damn bird and bat maming windturbines</p>
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		By: Felix		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2012/06/06/shock-wind-energy-goes-radioactive/#comment-117802</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Felix]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2015 13:58:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Fact: a 2MW wind turbine uses about 800-900 lbs of rare earth elements.  This is produced from mining processes that creates about 1 ton of radioactive waste material.  MIT did an analysis of this so your figures are a little overblown.  So cut your figure in half.  otherwise nice article]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fact: a 2MW wind turbine uses about 800-900 lbs of rare earth elements.  This is produced from mining processes that creates about 1 ton of radioactive waste material.  MIT did an analysis of this so your figures are a little overblown.  So cut your figure in half.  otherwise nice article</p>
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		By: The Ted Steele Legal System (tm)		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2012/06/06/shock-wind-energy-goes-radioactive/#comment-19860</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Ted Steele Legal System (tm)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2012 20:29:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks John-- It&#039;s a shame you have to do that.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks John&#8211; It&#8217;s a shame you have to do that.</p>
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		By: CalWatchdog		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2012/06/06/shock-wind-energy-goes-radioactive/#comment-19859</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CalWatchdog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2012 03:26:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[queeg wrote: &quot;CWD….start banning the posters who are mean spirited name callers…&quot;

I&#039;m deleting them, and bans will be next if necessary.

-- John Seiler]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>queeg wrote: &#8220;CWD….start banning the posters who are mean spirited name callers…&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m deleting them, and bans will be next if necessary.</p>
<p>&#8212; John Seiler</p>
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		By: Ted Steele, The Decider		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2012/06/06/shock-wind-energy-goes-radioactive/#comment-19858</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ted Steele, The Decider]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2012 02:52:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[John-- true enuf... well sort of....in Bk of course after process and order yes. And there will be more fails of small systems, yes. My pint is about the situation the rest of us are in.  Like in OC, entities that think they can avoid the obligations can&#039;t....so......they need to look to other solutions....like col bargaining.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John&#8211; true enuf&#8230; well sort of&#8230;.in Bk of course after process and order yes. And there will be more fails of small systems, yes. My pint is about the situation the rest of us are in.  Like in OC, entities that think they can avoid the obligations can&#8217;t&#8230;.so&#8230;&#8230;they need to look to other solutions&#8230;.like col bargaining.</p>
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		By: queeg		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2012/06/06/shock-wind-energy-goes-radioactive/#comment-19857</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[queeg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2012 02:47:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Teddy is harmless. He prods mean spirited posters to clean up....to no avail.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Teddy is harmless. He prods mean spirited posters to clean up&#8230;.to no avail.</p>
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		By: queeg		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2012/06/06/shock-wind-energy-goes-radioactive/#comment-19856</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[queeg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2012 23:52:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[CWD....start banning the posters who are mean spirited name callers....liberal posts are derided and impuned not on merit but gutter talk..

Couple of your top posters are most guilty! They relish ripping us on a level undignified for CWD as a reputable web site.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CWD&#8230;.start banning the posters who are mean spirited name callers&#8230;.liberal posts are derided and impuned not on merit but gutter talk..</p>
<p>Couple of your top posters are most guilty! They relish ripping us on a level undignified for CWD as a reputable web site.</p>
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		By: Jeff		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2012/06/06/shock-wind-energy-goes-radioactive/#comment-19855</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2012 23:52:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Those are great numbers, and I&#039;d love to use them to irritate my greenie friends, but are you including the waste and energy from the production/mining of the nuclear rods themselves in this calculation, or simply their use and disposal?  Because I know they&#039;ll call me on it if we are including the production of the magnets but not the production of the uranium.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those are great numbers, and I&#8217;d love to use them to irritate my greenie friends, but are you including the waste and energy from the production/mining of the nuclear rods themselves in this calculation, or simply their use and disposal?  Because I know they&#8217;ll call me on it if we are including the production of the magnets but not the production of the uranium.</p>
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		By: CalWatchdog		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2012/06/06/shock-wind-energy-goes-radioactive/#comment-19854</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CalWatchdog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2012 23:40:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ted: There is no &quot;legal obligation&quot; when an entity goes broke. A few years back, Highland Park, Mich. went bankrupt, and the already retired public workers on the city&#039;s pension ended up with nothing. It&#039;s going to happen again.

-- John Seiler]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ted: There is no &#8220;legal obligation&#8221; when an entity goes broke. A few years back, Highland Park, Mich. went bankrupt, and the already retired public workers on the city&#8217;s pension ended up with nothing. It&#8217;s going to happen again.</p>
<p>&#8212; John Seiler</p>
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		By: The Ted Steele Legal System (tm)		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2012/06/06/shock-wind-energy-goes-radioactive/#comment-19853</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Ted Steele Legal System (tm)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2012 23:36:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Chriss-

you wrote--But they do expire and the employer is not required under law to continue to offer the past contractual arrangements.  

I think you may be right on that. I am not sure but I wouldn&#039;t argue the point without doing some research.

The concern I do have is this--

Sure reform is always required, always has been.Everything in the law and the social compact is dynamic in some ways and reform is ongoing and required. In pensions reform and changes have been the constant and some for sure you would posit has been bad. 

Stopping new employees from entering the pension fund is foolish. Less members equals less member contribution equals more tax dollars put in. The key to reform is lowering payout going forward, increasing employee contribution and reforming spiking etc. I hate us cut off the nose to spite the face, kick out members and be left with only the legaql obligation on behalf of us taxpayters to fill in the void. The sustainability of the system was NEVER in doubt until the increases came. I am an adult who has been to college and grad school and to be honest I have my doubts about the constant and overused phrase &quot;unfunded liability&quot;. The larger systems are working and have worked well. Sounds to me like certain dark forces want to really unfund the system by kicking out contributors instead of working on the bargaining table side.

Seems goofy to me.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chriss-</p>
<p>you wrote&#8211;But they do expire and the employer is not required under law to continue to offer the past contractual arrangements.  </p>
<p>I think you may be right on that. I am not sure but I wouldn&#8217;t argue the point without doing some research.</p>
<p>The concern I do have is this&#8211;</p>
<p>Sure reform is always required, always has been.Everything in the law and the social compact is dynamic in some ways and reform is ongoing and required. In pensions reform and changes have been the constant and some for sure you would posit has been bad. </p>
<p>Stopping new employees from entering the pension fund is foolish. Less members equals less member contribution equals more tax dollars put in. The key to reform is lowering payout going forward, increasing employee contribution and reforming spiking etc. I hate us cut off the nose to spite the face, kick out members and be left with only the legaql obligation on behalf of us taxpayters to fill in the void. The sustainability of the system was NEVER in doubt until the increases came. I am an adult who has been to college and grad school and to be honest I have my doubts about the constant and overused phrase &#8220;unfunded liability&#8221;. The larger systems are working and have worked well. Sounds to me like certain dark forces want to really unfund the system by kicking out contributors instead of working on the bargaining table side.</p>
<p>Seems goofy to me.</p>
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