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	Comments on: Southern Califiornia&#8217;s new pact with the Delta water devil	</title>
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		By: Frances Griffin		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2012/07/30/southern-califiornias-new-pact-with-the-delta-water-devil/#comment-22373</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Frances Griffin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jul 2013 10:18:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[All the relevant scientific bodies that have studied the problem say that 3 million acre feet is the most that should be taken from the Delta. They are already exporting more than that. So how could the tunnel reasonably send more water south. No one is proposing shutting down the other state and federal pumps so they must be thinking to increase exports--well they say so, don&#039;t they. This violates every scientific principle, not to mention laws that require that the water be used reasonably. 


The urban areas are doing a good job of reducing consumption, but over half the water exported goes to mega-growers who grow water intensive crops--some of them are subsidized crops- on arid land. They get the water so cheaply it is in effect a taxpayer subsidy in addition to whatever crop subsidy they get.It takes twice a much water to grow crops in the desert as in the Delta and much of the land will not drain so it has become toxic. Many of the mega growers are also water brokers and sell their &quot;paper water&quot; rights to cities and developers, often for ten(or more) times as much as they paid for it. They pay a fraction of what the average person pays for water.
The BDCP is a giant boondoggle.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All the relevant scientific bodies that have studied the problem say that 3 million acre feet is the most that should be taken from the Delta. They are already exporting more than that. So how could the tunnel reasonably send more water south. No one is proposing shutting down the other state and federal pumps so they must be thinking to increase exports&#8211;well they say so, don&#8217;t they. This violates every scientific principle, not to mention laws that require that the water be used reasonably. </p>
<p>The urban areas are doing a good job of reducing consumption, but over half the water exported goes to mega-growers who grow water intensive crops&#8211;some of them are subsidized crops- on arid land. They get the water so cheaply it is in effect a taxpayer subsidy in addition to whatever crop subsidy they get.It takes twice a much water to grow crops in the desert as in the Delta and much of the land will not drain so it has become toxic. Many of the mega growers are also water brokers and sell their &#8220;paper water&#8221; rights to cities and developers, often for ten(or more) times as much as they paid for it. They pay a fraction of what the average person pays for water.<br />
The BDCP is a giant boondoggle.</p>
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		By: Stanley K.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stanley K.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2012 15:18:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Kurt, you took the words right out of my mouth.  
Sure, &quot;leaders,&quot; go ahead and embrace insanity.
What else is new?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kurt, you took the words right out of my mouth.<br />
Sure, &#8220;leaders,&#8221; go ahead and embrace insanity.<br />
What else is new?</p>
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		By: Kurt		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2012/07/30/southern-califiornias-new-pact-with-the-delta-water-devil/#comment-22371</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kurt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2012 20:41:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The fact that it does not meet the cost/benefit test, and there are no gaurantees, and no crisis except a hypothetical one that may very well destroy the tunnels, well it seems crazy and maybe even insane to go forward with this project. By all means start NOW!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact that it does not meet the cost/benefit test, and there are no gaurantees, and no crisis except a hypothetical one that may very well destroy the tunnels, well it seems crazy and maybe even insane to go forward with this project. By all means start NOW!</p>
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		By: Wayne Lusvardi		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2012/07/30/southern-califiornias-new-pact-with-the-delta-water-devil/#comment-22370</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wayne Lusvardi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2012 22:27:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Another Email Comment below from Dr. Jeffrey Michael, economist, University of the Pacific as to the assertion that MWD will pay only 25 percent of the Bay Delta Plan costs (see below):

Hah, hah.  Didn’t see this message (email above from MWD). 
 
They are right, they have firmly said only 25%. 
 
I have questioned why both BDCP and the Southern California Water Committee have stated that the tunnels are financially feasible by citing its per capita costs.  That was the primary argument for financial feasibility in both BDCP draft finance chapter and the SCWC report, I didn’t make it up.  MWD is 75% of the per capita population served by Delta exports.  They are mad about the 75% assertion, but it comes from their own consultants.  Their anger is misdirected.  It is their consultants who suggested per capita financing, I just brought it to people’s attention.
 
The only way to stop your very good questions if for them to release an actual financial proposal.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another Email Comment below from Dr. Jeffrey Michael, economist, University of the Pacific as to the assertion that MWD will pay only 25 percent of the Bay Delta Plan costs (see below):</p>
<p>Hah, hah.  Didn’t see this message (email above from MWD). </p>
<p>They are right, they have firmly said only 25%. </p>
<p>I have questioned why both BDCP and the Southern California Water Committee have stated that the tunnels are financially feasible by citing its per capita costs.  That was the primary argument for financial feasibility in both BDCP draft finance chapter and the SCWC report, I didn’t make it up.  MWD is 75% of the per capita population served by Delta exports.  They are mad about the 75% assertion, but it comes from their own consultants.  Their anger is misdirected.  It is their consultants who suggested per capita financing, I just brought it to people’s attention.</p>
<p>The only way to stop your very good questions if for them to release an actual financial proposal.</p>
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		By: Wayne Lusvardi		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2012/07/30/southern-califiornias-new-pact-with-the-delta-water-devil/#comment-22369</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wayne Lusvardi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2012 22:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;Dr. Jeffrey Michaels of the University of Pacific Business Forecasting Center was contacted as to the question of the cost allocation for the Bay Delta Conservation Plan.  His comments are below: &lt;/em&gt;

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I know that is what they say, and that is why BDCP may be “unfinanceable.”  MWD may be able to lift their 25% share, but there are serious doubts about whether those receiving the other 75% can or will.
 
Farmers can not pass on the cost through higher food prices, in almost all cases, they are in a competitive market and can not pass on the costs of water.  California agriculture uses 34 million acre feet of irrigation water per year, and less than 4 maf of that total (about 10%) is pumped from the Delta.  Delta dependent farmers have no more ability to set crop prices than your grocery store has over the price of bread.  Most of it is going to come directly out of their bottom lines.  They are really buying insurance against a regulatory or earthquake disaster, but it is extremely expensive insurance compared to the risk.
 
The urban agencies are in a much better position to pass on the costs to ratepayers.  But even they face a demand curve where their customers cut back or find alternative sources as the price rises.
 
And yes, ratepayers and state taxpayers are also federal taxpayers.  It’s like saying don’t worry I’m not going to take it from your debit card, I am charging it to your Visa.
 
Jeffrey Michaels via email]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Dr. Jeffrey Michaels of the University of Pacific Business Forecasting Center was contacted as to the question of the cost allocation for the Bay Delta Conservation Plan.  His comments are below: </em></p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>I know that is what they say, and that is why BDCP may be “unfinanceable.”  MWD may be able to lift their 25% share, but there are serious doubts about whether those receiving the other 75% can or will.</p>
<p>Farmers can not pass on the cost through higher food prices, in almost all cases, they are in a competitive market and can not pass on the costs of water.  California agriculture uses 34 million acre feet of irrigation water per year, and less than 4 maf of that total (about 10%) is pumped from the Delta.  Delta dependent farmers have no more ability to set crop prices than your grocery store has over the price of bread.  Most of it is going to come directly out of their bottom lines.  They are really buying insurance against a regulatory or earthquake disaster, but it is extremely expensive insurance compared to the risk.</p>
<p>The urban agencies are in a much better position to pass on the costs to ratepayers.  But even they face a demand curve where their customers cut back or find alternative sources as the price rises.</p>
<p>And yes, ratepayers and state taxpayers are also federal taxpayers.  It’s like saying don’t worry I’m not going to take it from your debit card, I am charging it to your Visa.</p>
<p>Jeffrey Michaels via email</p>
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		By: Wayne Lusvardi		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2012/07/30/southern-califiornias-new-pact-with-the-delta-water-devil/#comment-22368</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wayne Lusvardi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2012 21:45:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A question has been raised as to the 75 percent Southern California share of the cost of the Bay Delta Conservation Plan in the above article – see email from MWD below.  

The following table from pages 8-68 and 8-69 of the Bay Delta Plan details the allocated costs.  

Estimated Funding Relevant to BDCP, by Plan Component
Funding Source	Percent
State Water Contractors	36.5%
Federal Water Contractors	36.5%
U.S. Bureau of Reclamation	8.6%
California Dept. Fish &#038; Game	0%
New Water Bond (2014)	10.9%
Prop 1-E (levee improvement bond)	0.8%
Prop 84 – (water conservation bond) 	0.2%
Delta Stewardship Council (Prop 84?)	0.4%
U.S. Fish &#038; Wildlife Service, National Marine Fisheries Service, U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, U.S. EPA, National Resources Conservation Service, U.S. Geological Survey, Other (interest income) 	6.1%
Total	100%
Total Water Exporters Share	73%
Total State Funding 	12%
Total Federal Funding	14%
Source: http://baydeltaconservationplan.com/Libraries/Dynamic_Document_Library/BDCP_Chapter_8_-_Implementation_Costs_and_Funding_Sources_2-29-12.sflb.ashx 


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A question has been raised as to the 75 percent Southern California share of the cost of the Bay Delta Conservation Plan in the above article – see email from MWD below.  </p>
<p>The following table from pages 8-68 and 8-69 of the Bay Delta Plan details the allocated costs.  </p>
<p>Estimated Funding Relevant to BDCP, by Plan Component<br />
Funding Source	Percent<br />
State Water Contractors	36.5%<br />
Federal Water Contractors	36.5%<br />
U.S. Bureau of Reclamation	8.6%<br />
California Dept. Fish &amp; Game	0%<br />
New Water Bond (2014)	10.9%<br />
Prop 1-E (levee improvement bond)	0.8%<br />
Prop 84 – (water conservation bond) 	0.2%<br />
Delta Stewardship Council (Prop 84?)	0.4%<br />
U.S. Fish &amp; Wildlife Service, National Marine Fisheries Service, U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, U.S. EPA, National Resources Conservation Service, U.S. Geological Survey, Other (interest income) 	6.1%<br />
Total	100%<br />
Total Water Exporters Share	73%<br />
Total State Funding 	12%<br />
Total Federal Funding	14%<br />
Source: <a href="http://baydeltaconservationplan.com/Libraries/Dynamic_Document_Library/BDCP_Chapter_8_-_Implementation_Costs_and_Funding_Sources_2-29-12.sflb.ashx" rel="nofollow ugc">http://baydeltaconservationplan.com/Libraries/Dynamic_Document_Library/BDCP_Chapter_8_-_Implementation_Costs_and_Funding_Sources_2-29-12.sflb.ashx</a> </p>
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		By: Burt Wilson		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2012/07/30/southern-califiornias-new-pact-with-the-delta-water-devil/#comment-22367</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Burt Wilson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2012 20:26:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The inability to vote on this issue is key to the defeat of the tunnels and intakes. This is anti-democracy. I have already nicknamed Gov. Brown as a &quot;chicken&quot; because he is afraid to let people vote on it because he knows it would go down to defeat--just as in 1982. I did media on the 1982 anti-Peripheral campaign and the same reasons to vote against that monstrosity are present in this latest watergrab. Not being able to vote on a multi-billion-dollar state infrastructure project is akin to taxation without representation. California has safeguards against a dictatorship and I assume some smart lawyer is looking at them right now. But we the people have to get involved!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The inability to vote on this issue is key to the defeat of the tunnels and intakes. This is anti-democracy. I have already nicknamed Gov. Brown as a &#8220;chicken&#8221; because he is afraid to let people vote on it because he knows it would go down to defeat&#8211;just as in 1982. I did media on the 1982 anti-Peripheral campaign and the same reasons to vote against that monstrosity are present in this latest watergrab. Not being able to vote on a multi-billion-dollar state infrastructure project is akin to taxation without representation. California has safeguards against a dictatorship and I assume some smart lawyer is looking at them right now. But we the people have to get involved!</p>
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		By: Wayne Lusvardi		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2012/07/30/southern-califiornias-new-pact-with-the-delta-water-devil/#comment-22366</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wayne Lusvardi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2012 23:36:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Good question Stan K. 
I guess the strategy is to jerk up higher water rates at each local water district where they can pass it by a vote of each water board.  Time for pitch forks at each water board meeting? 

WL]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good question Stan K.<br />
I guess the strategy is to jerk up higher water rates at each local water district where they can pass it by a vote of each water board.  Time for pitch forks at each water board meeting? </p>
<p>WL</p>
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		By: Stanley K.		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2012/07/30/southern-califiornias-new-pact-with-the-delta-water-devil/#comment-22365</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stanley K.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2012 19:35:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;The disproportionate share of the costs to Southern California water ratepayers would run against the intent of Proposition 218 to require voter approval for new taxes.&quot;

&quot;If you were Southern Californian, would you take this costly deal that doesn’t guarantee you any set maximum of water, in exchange for a water rate increase of about $240 per year to each of your customers?&quot; 

Great, I guess we&#039;re supposed to swallow this new outrage along with all of the others?  Why are we not allowed to vote for this TAX?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The disproportionate share of the costs to Southern California water ratepayers would run against the intent of Proposition 218 to require voter approval for new taxes.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;If you were Southern Californian, would you take this costly deal that doesn’t guarantee you any set maximum of water, in exchange for a water rate increase of about $240 per year to each of your customers?&#8221; </p>
<p>Great, I guess we&#8217;re supposed to swallow this new outrage along with all of the others?  Why are we not allowed to vote for this TAX?</p>
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