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	Comments on: Federal Reserve warns, Calif., other municipal bonds very risky	</title>
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		By: John		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2012/08/20/federal-reserve-warns-calif-other-municipal-bonds-very-risky/#comment-23212</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2013 09:05:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Laughable!!  I have been hearing that the sky is falling ever since I bought a little over $9M in California GO bonds back in 2007. Since that time I have enjoyed an average of 5.3% double tax free on those bonds and their capital value is up 12.5% over what I paid for them. As I have re-invested the excess dividends back into more bonds, my portfolio now stands in the mid $11M range and my NET income from the bonds is $503,000 which for me is the equivalent of around $900,000 taxable. Show me any investment that is close to returning that with as little risk and I will start to listen.
Why do you suppose that these bonds are trading at 12% plus over the face value? Do you really think that there are so many dumb people out there that would pay a premium to get into a high risk investment? I seriously doubt it.
The real risk to these bonds is inflation and higher interest rates. We will not see a meaningful increase in rates until at least 2015. By then I will have earned more than $1M double tax free and will consider shifting some of my portfolio.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laughable!!  I have been hearing that the sky is falling ever since I bought a little over $9M in California GO bonds back in 2007. Since that time I have enjoyed an average of 5.3% double tax free on those bonds and their capital value is up 12.5% over what I paid for them. As I have re-invested the excess dividends back into more bonds, my portfolio now stands in the mid $11M range and my NET income from the bonds is $503,000 which for me is the equivalent of around $900,000 taxable. Show me any investment that is close to returning that with as little risk and I will start to listen.<br />
Why do you suppose that these bonds are trading at 12% plus over the face value? Do you really think that there are so many dumb people out there that would pay a premium to get into a high risk investment? I seriously doubt it.<br />
The real risk to these bonds is inflation and higher interest rates. We will not see a meaningful increase in rates until at least 2015. By then I will have earned more than $1M double tax free and will consider shifting some of my portfolio.</p>
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		By: Chriss Street		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chriss Street]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2012 14:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thomas:  Very fair comments, below are my comments.

I try to shrink complicated technical issues down to 750 word reports.  Although the Fed&#039;s report did make clear that not all bonds are created equal, the focus was on Moody&#039;s and S&#038;P fraudulently &quot;luring&quot; the public to buy risky debt based on phony default statistics.  

Luring is a word normally associated with child molesters.  This is a road map for litigation against the rating agencies if these are large numbers of muni defaults.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thomas:  Very fair comments, below are my comments.</p>
<p>I try to shrink complicated technical issues down to 750 word reports.  Although the Fed&#8217;s report did make clear that not all bonds are created equal, the focus was on Moody&#8217;s and S&amp;P fraudulently &#8220;luring&#8221; the public to buy risky debt based on phony default statistics.  </p>
<p>Luring is a word normally associated with child molesters.  This is a road map for litigation against the rating agencies if these are large numbers of muni defaults.</p>
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		By: Did Warren Buffett dump muni bonds using inside information? &#124; OC Politics Blog		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2012/08/20/federal-reserve-warns-calif-other-municipal-bonds-very-risky/#comment-23210</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Did Warren Buffett dump muni bonds using inside information? &#124; OC Politics Blog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2012 19:35:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] we broke “Moody’s Warns of Mass California Municipal Bankruptcies” and Sunday we broke “Federal Reserve Warns Municipal Bonds Very Risky”.  Each of these stories highlighted previously unknown risks in the muni [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] we broke “Moody’s Warns of Mass California Municipal Bankruptcies” and Sunday we broke “Federal Reserve Warns Municipal Bonds Very Risky”.  Each of these stories highlighted previously unknown risks in the muni [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Thomas Hickman		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2012/08/20/federal-reserve-warns-calif-other-municipal-bonds-very-risky/#comment-23209</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Thomas Hickman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2012 17:40:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This article is missing some key facts that &quot;The Untold Story of Municipal Bond Defaults&quot; was trying to get across. The main point in the article released by the Fed was that non-rated bonds have a higher default rate. And more specifically, non-rated revenue bonds, specifically Industrial Development, Housing, and Nursing Homes, have a much higher default rate. The bankruptcies we&#039;ve seen in Califronia were on the City level. When a city, county, or school district issue debt it is typically a G.O. bond secured by tax revenues. 
While credit risk of California cities and counties are at an all time highm, it&#039;s the way bonds are structured that warrant the most risk.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article is missing some key facts that &#8220;The Untold Story of Municipal Bond Defaults&#8221; was trying to get across. The main point in the article released by the Fed was that non-rated bonds have a higher default rate. And more specifically, non-rated revenue bonds, specifically Industrial Development, Housing, and Nursing Homes, have a much higher default rate. The bankruptcies we&#8217;ve seen in Califronia were on the City level. When a city, county, or school district issue debt it is typically a G.O. bond secured by tax revenues.<br />
While credit risk of California cities and counties are at an all time highm, it&#8217;s the way bonds are structured that warrant the most risk.</p>
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		By: BobA		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2012/08/20/federal-reserve-warns-calif-other-municipal-bonds-very-risky/#comment-23208</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BobA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2012 16:40:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[econprof:

I was all set to buy California muni-bonds in late August 2008 through my investment advisor at the time but after amply research on my own into California&#039;s debt situation and the yield on California muni-bonds, I thought better of it and backed out at the last minute. 

Safe to say, I have no regrets. Investing in California muni-bonds is a risky proposition and to the unsophisticated investor, the yield on California muni-bonds seems very attractive. Blinded by the high yield rates,they never bother to understand the caveats attached to buying muni-bonds and especially California bonds.

Financial planners, investment advisors and the lot do a poor job of explaining the details of muni-bonds and all the little gotchas. They will sell you garbage as long as they get a commission on the sale.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>econprof:</p>
<p>I was all set to buy California muni-bonds in late August 2008 through my investment advisor at the time but after amply research on my own into California&#8217;s debt situation and the yield on California muni-bonds, I thought better of it and backed out at the last minute. </p>
<p>Safe to say, I have no regrets. Investing in California muni-bonds is a risky proposition and to the unsophisticated investor, the yield on California muni-bonds seems very attractive. Blinded by the high yield rates,they never bother to understand the caveats attached to buying muni-bonds and especially California bonds.</p>
<p>Financial planners, investment advisors and the lot do a poor job of explaining the details of muni-bonds and all the little gotchas. They will sell you garbage as long as they get a commission on the sale.</p>
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		By: econprof		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2012/08/20/federal-reserve-warns-calif-other-municipal-bonds-very-risky/#comment-23207</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[econprof]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2012 03:50:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[About one year ago as Spain&#039;s fiscal problems were worsening, the government and banks massively sold debt instruments to their public, especially bank customers.  Conned them into shifting their savings into this toxic paper.  Now that Spain&#039;s problems (resulting from overbuilding real estate) have been uncovered, those Spanish citizen&#039;s have lost billions in the market value of their instruments.  They feel betrayed for listening to their authorities, just as today&#039;s holders of CA municipal bonds may soon be feeling for listening to CA politicians and investment advisors.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About one year ago as Spain&#8217;s fiscal problems were worsening, the government and banks massively sold debt instruments to their public, especially bank customers.  Conned them into shifting their savings into this toxic paper.  Now that Spain&#8217;s problems (resulting from overbuilding real estate) have been uncovered, those Spanish citizen&#8217;s have lost billions in the market value of their instruments.  They feel betrayed for listening to their authorities, just as today&#8217;s holders of CA municipal bonds may soon be feeling for listening to CA politicians and investment advisors.</p>
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		By: BobA		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2012/08/20/federal-reserve-warns-calif-other-municipal-bonds-very-risky/#comment-23206</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BobA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2012 22:25:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wayne Lusvardi:

I read that article in the WSJ and let me summarize what the author is essentially saying: 

Don&#039;t believe what you hear or see. They&#039;re all lies put out by the Wall Street, the Feds and the republican party.
 
There is no budget deficit in the state of California; 

There is no unemployment problem in California;
 
there&#039;s no truth to the rumors that California cities are going bankrupt; California bonds are the safest investment in the world;
 
jobs are plentiful in the state of California;
 
California doesn&#039;t have a spending problem;
 
California has some of the lowest taxes in the nation and lastly, California would be better of as a one party state controlled by the democrats.

Legislation is pending to finance the building of crematoriums to take care of the state&#039;s republican problem but until then, it&#039;s all Bush&#039;s fault!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wayne Lusvardi:</p>
<p>I read that article in the WSJ and let me summarize what the author is essentially saying: </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t believe what you hear or see. They&#8217;re all lies put out by the Wall Street, the Feds and the republican party.</p>
<p>There is no budget deficit in the state of California; </p>
<p>There is no unemployment problem in California;</p>
<p>there&#8217;s no truth to the rumors that California cities are going bankrupt; California bonds are the safest investment in the world;</p>
<p>jobs are plentiful in the state of California;</p>
<p>California doesn&#8217;t have a spending problem;</p>
<p>California has some of the lowest taxes in the nation and lastly, California would be better of as a one party state controlled by the democrats.</p>
<p>Legislation is pending to finance the building of crematoriums to take care of the state&#8217;s republican problem but until then, it&#8217;s all Bush&#8217;s fault!!</p>
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		By: Tax Target		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2012/08/20/federal-reserve-warns-calif-other-municipal-bonds-very-risky/#comment-23205</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tax Target]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2012 13:24:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Can you say Kalifornsky Junk Bond? &quot;California here we come....&quot;

The State is praying that the meat cleaver doesn&#039;t come down on their credit card.  They know damn well that the voters will not pass their tax measures if the credit cards get cut up...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can you say Kalifornsky Junk Bond? &#8220;California here we come&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>The State is praying that the meat cleaver doesn&#8217;t come down on their credit card.  They know damn well that the voters will not pass their tax measures if the credit cards get cut up&#8230;</p>
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		By: Chriss Street		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2012/08/20/federal-reserve-warns-calif-other-municipal-bonds-very-risky/#comment-23204</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chriss Street]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2012 22:05:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wayne:  Memo to Governor&#039;s staff: NO MORE MEMOS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is really a big deal, because the FRNY used the term “luring”.  This is the type of volcanic language used regarding child molesters.  The FRNY is delegated all securities and derivatives regulation of banks. This &quot;research report&quot; must have been vetted by the most senior Fed staff appears to reflect the Fed’s intention to pull the plug on the muni market.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wayne:  Memo to Governor&#8217;s staff: NO MORE MEMOS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</p>
<p>This is really a big deal, because the FRNY used the term “luring”.  This is the type of volcanic language used regarding child molesters.  The FRNY is delegated all securities and derivatives regulation of banks. This &#8220;research report&#8221; must have been vetted by the most senior Fed staff appears to reflect the Fed’s intention to pull the plug on the muni market.</p>
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		By: Rex the Wonder Dog!		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2012/08/20/federal-reserve-warns-calif-other-municipal-bonds-very-risky/#comment-23203</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rex the Wonder Dog!]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2012 20:31:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[He was biting his tongue to stop from LOL!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He was biting his tongue to stop from LOL!</p>
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