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	Comments on: California Budget Project analysis of Prop. 30 slights slam to business, jobs	</title>
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		By: Douglas		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Douglas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2012 03:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You know the $500 billion you quote is an extreme estimate, even when it was first promulgated at the bottom of the market. The link you provided  cited $165 billion. Still a lot of money, but the unfunded liability is being paid down with about an extra 5% on top of the &#039;normal&#039; pension cost. Not just in California, but in many states, pension costs are roughly 3% of budgets, and relatively minor increases will bring them up to par. 

My main concern, however, is that I see on these boards and in other media, repeatedly, the claim that increasing tax rates ALWAYS reduces tax receipts, and vice versa. It simply isn&#039;t true. 

You are correct. This article is not an economic text. It is a hit piece with half truths and exaggerations. 

Like a 52% tax rate? You know it isn&#039;t really, because state taxes are deductible from federal tax. And since this is not an economic text, we don&#039;t have room to mention that this is the MARGINAL rate. Yes, l assure you some people believe that a taxpayer who earns $300.000 will pay $150.000 in taxes instead  of the $40,000 or less he actually owes. 

Like the CBP you criticize, your entire article is slanted and misleading.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know the $500 billion you quote is an extreme estimate, even when it was first promulgated at the bottom of the market. The link you provided  cited $165 billion. Still a lot of money, but the unfunded liability is being paid down with about an extra 5% on top of the &#8216;normal&#8217; pension cost. Not just in California, but in many states, pension costs are roughly 3% of budgets, and relatively minor increases will bring them up to par. </p>
<p>My main concern, however, is that I see on these boards and in other media, repeatedly, the claim that increasing tax rates ALWAYS reduces tax receipts, and vice versa. It simply isn&#8217;t true. </p>
<p>You are correct. This article is not an economic text. It is a hit piece with half truths and exaggerations. </p>
<p>Like a 52% tax rate? You know it isn&#8217;t really, because state taxes are deductible from federal tax. And since this is not an economic text, we don&#8217;t have room to mention that this is the MARGINAL rate. Yes, l assure you some people believe that a taxpayer who earns $300.000 will pay $150.000 in taxes instead  of the $40,000 or less he actually owes. </p>
<p>Like the CBP you criticize, your entire article is slanted and misleading.</p>
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		By: CalWatchdog		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CalWatchdog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2012 15:17:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Douglas: Of course I understand &quot;ceteris paribus&quot; (&quot;with all things the same&quot;). But this is a short article, not a textbook on economics. What I obviously was doing was pointing out that the CBP didn&#039;t even mention, except briefly in quoting the opposition at the end, that the tax increase might not work out exactly as expected. 

And you are wrong about the pensions, even for those already retired. There&#039;s no way to pay all of the $500 billion in unfunded liabilities. 

As to the pension reform bill just passed, CalSTRS and CalPERS, combined, estimate savings of just $78 billion -- leaving $422 billion still outstanding.

Link: http://www.pe.com/opinion/editorials-headlines/20120905-state-pension-nudge.ece

Meanwhile, that fool Bernanke is making everything worse by causing more inflation. Tax increases will hit at the federal level on January 1. And the $16 trillion debt keeps increasing.

Ceteris paribus, we&#039;re in for a lot of pain caused by government.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Douglas: Of course I understand &#8220;ceteris paribus&#8221; (&#8220;with all things the same&#8221;). But this is a short article, not a textbook on economics. What I obviously was doing was pointing out that the CBP didn&#8217;t even mention, except briefly in quoting the opposition at the end, that the tax increase might not work out exactly as expected. </p>
<p>And you are wrong about the pensions, even for those already retired. There&#8217;s no way to pay all of the $500 billion in unfunded liabilities. </p>
<p>As to the pension reform bill just passed, CalSTRS and CalPERS, combined, estimate savings of just $78 billion &#8212; leaving $422 billion still outstanding.</p>
<p>Link: <a href="http://www.pe.com/opinion/editorials-headlines/20120905-state-pension-nudge.ece" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.pe.com/opinion/editorials-headlines/20120905-state-pension-nudge.ece</a></p>
<p>Meanwhile, that fool Bernanke is making everything worse by causing more inflation. Tax increases will hit at the federal level on January 1. And the $16 trillion debt keeps increasing.</p>
<p>Ceteris paribus, we&#8217;re in for a lot of pain caused by government.</p>
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		By: Douglas		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Douglas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2012 03:32:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Apparently John Seiler does not understand the principle of &#039;ceteris paribus&#039;.  Two examples do not &#039;prove&#039; anything. Correlation does not imply causation. Google the Center for Freedom and Prosperity to see an explanation of the Laffer curve and how it is so widely misunderstood. 

Yes, government money is fungible, but the pension costs will be paid whether or not prop 30 passes, and funds for schools will absolutely be reduced if it doesn&#039;t. So the &#039;new&#039; tax money will NOT go to &#039;lucrative pensions&#039;. And the &#039;burgeoning&#039; pension costs have already been reduced by $400 million a year due to workers contributing a larger share toward pensions.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparently John Seiler does not understand the principle of &#8216;ceteris paribus&#8217;.  Two examples do not &#8216;prove&#8217; anything. Correlation does not imply causation. Google the Center for Freedom and Prosperity to see an explanation of the Laffer curve and how it is so widely misunderstood. </p>
<p>Yes, government money is fungible, but the pension costs will be paid whether or not prop 30 passes, and funds for schools will absolutely be reduced if it doesn&#8217;t. So the &#8216;new&#8217; tax money will NOT go to &#8216;lucrative pensions&#8217;. And the &#8216;burgeoning&#8217; pension costs have already been reduced by $400 million a year due to workers contributing a larger share toward pensions.</p>
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		By: Ted Steele, The Decider		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ted Steele, The Decider]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2012 03:15:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[...and Obama DOES care!!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;and Obama DOES care!!!</p>
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		By: Ted Steele, The Decider		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2012/09/12/california-budget-project-analysis-of-prop-30-slights-slam-to-business-jobs/#comment-24690</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ted Steele, The Decider]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2012 03:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[i mean actually.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i mean actually.</p>
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		By: Ted Steele, The Decider		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2012/09/12/california-budget-project-analysis-of-prop-30-slights-slam-to-business-jobs/#comment-24689</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ted Steele, The Decider]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2012 03:15:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Irony--- Hondo&#039;s best chance for better health acually IS Obamacare (tm) !!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Irony&#8212; Hondo&#8217;s best chance for better health acually IS Obamacare &#8482; !!</p>
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		By: Hondo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hondo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2012 22:34:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m worth around 50 bucks and Bill Gates is worth around 50 billion and I&#039;m proud of him.  Someone from my generation is on top of the world.
Now if he would just loan me around 3 grand, I gotta get a few crowns for my teeth.
I guess I could wait for Obamacare to kick in.
Hondo.....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m worth around 50 bucks and Bill Gates is worth around 50 billion and I&#8217;m proud of him.  Someone from my generation is on top of the world.<br />
Now if he would just loan me around 3 grand, I gotta get a few crowns for my teeth.<br />
I guess I could wait for Obamacare to kick in.<br />
Hondo&#8230;..</p>
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		By: a frequent reader		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[a frequent reader]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2012 21:12:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The absence of intelligent rebuttals abounds from the typical libs here.  Your resistance to reply to such petty posts is applauded Rex.  Your posts on the other hand are shared among the rightly minded readers herein.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The absence of intelligent rebuttals abounds from the typical libs here.  Your resistance to reply to such petty posts is applauded Rex.  Your posts on the other hand are shared among the rightly minded readers herein.</p>
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		By: queeg		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[queeg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2012 17:54:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ugly.....whew.....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ugly&#8230;..whew&#8230;..</p>
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		By: Sean Morham		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sean Morham]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2012 17:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[My gparents came to usa before WW1 from tolitarian countries. Freedom of religion and opportunity was the draw. They accepted rich people, and worked/saved to buy a home. Their children were assortment of factory workers, bar owners, housewives who accepted rich people were rich and went about their business. Their kids went to college and became Engineers, Accountants, Doctors, Lawyers, Social Workers, Teachers etc.. Some of us fall into the rich folks category, that some think (like Moonbeam)are screwing the rest of society and need to pay a price in higher taxes. I tell my kids some think they are privilged because both parents went to College and are comfortable(they hear it). They know it and will adjust, and understand that the California they are growing up in, is different. They may leave for opportunity. I look around me and see what will replace them, many are far removed from the backbone of my gparents. Frankly, many are pieces of shit.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My gparents came to usa before WW1 from tolitarian countries. Freedom of religion and opportunity was the draw. They accepted rich people, and worked/saved to buy a home. Their children were assortment of factory workers, bar owners, housewives who accepted rich people were rich and went about their business. Their kids went to college and became Engineers, Accountants, Doctors, Lawyers, Social Workers, Teachers etc.. Some of us fall into the rich folks category, that some think (like Moonbeam)are screwing the rest of society and need to pay a price in higher taxes. I tell my kids some think they are privilged because both parents went to College and are comfortable(they hear it). They know it and will adjust, and understand that the California they are growing up in, is different. They may leave for opportunity. I look around me and see what will replace them, many are far removed from the backbone of my gparents. Frankly, many are pieces of shit.</p>
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