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		By: Tough Love		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2012/09/21/californias-public-pension-jackpot/#comment-25310</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tough Love]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2012 20:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Skippy,  I can&#039;t seem to recall .... have you (as a retired Police Officer) ever mentioned to BS about cops &#038; firefighters dying soon after retiring ?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Skippy,  I can&#8217;t seem to recall &#8230;. have you (as a retired Police Officer) ever mentioned to BS about cops &amp; firefighters dying soon after retiring ?</p>
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		By: SkippingDog		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2012/09/21/californias-public-pension-jackpot/#comment-25309</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SkippingDog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2012 19:44:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Interesting article, TL, but it&#039;s really no more than a rehash of your argument that discount rates should be calculated on a &quot;risk free&quot; basis, rather than by either historical investment returns or ROI targets each year.  After all, it is the Heritage Foundation publishing the paper, and Heritage clearly has its own political agenda - just as you do.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting article, TL, but it&#8217;s really no more than a rehash of your argument that discount rates should be calculated on a &#8220;risk free&#8221; basis, rather than by either historical investment returns or ROI targets each year.  After all, it is the Heritage Foundation publishing the paper, and Heritage clearly has its own political agenda &#8211; just as you do.</p>
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		By: Tough Love		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2012/09/21/californias-public-pension-jackpot/#comment-25308</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tough Love]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2012 19:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Skippy,  I was tired and a bit fed-up wit the nonsense of some posters, so I reacted a bit harshly.  Here&#039;s one (I posted elsewhere yesterday) you should (but probably won&#039;t) like better:

The Jason Richwine paper (http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2012/05/the-real-cost-of-public-pensions) is right on the money. Too bad he didn&#039;t include some of the OTHER nonsense coming from those fighting pension reform....such as Police &#038; Firefighters trying to justify their absurdly generous pensions by saying that they only live on average about 5 years after retiring.... refuted as incorrect and ridiculous by CalPERS actuary. 

Additionally, the modest &quot;average&quot; pensions that DB pension supporter like to quote are misleading for reasons beyond just the short career workers that Richwine mentioned. These &quot;averages&quot; also include (a) those who retired long ago at lower salaries (often before big, and sometimes retroactive benefit increases), (b) part-time workers, and (c) 50% survivorship share payouts to widows and widowers.

Notwithstanding Constitutional issues, contract law and property right issues, it&#039;s WAY past time to end the financial rape of Taxpayers by the collusion between the Public Sector Unions and our self-serving, vote-selling, contribution-soliciting elected officials.

Employee contribution increases are NEVER even remotely sufficient to address this huge problem. The best (and justifiable) solution would be to end further DB Plan accruals for future service for CURRENT workers, or if that is not possible, to reduce the accrual rate by at least 50% ... still leaving Public Sector workers with far greater pensions than their Private sector counterparts.

If neither of these options are viable, then we must outsource 90+% of all public Sector workers as outsourcing ends the &quot;employment relationship&quot; and with it all future growth in pensions and benefits.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Skippy,  I was tired and a bit fed-up wit the nonsense of some posters, so I reacted a bit harshly.  Here&#8217;s one (I posted elsewhere yesterday) you should (but probably won&#8217;t) like better:</p>
<p>The Jason Richwine paper (<a href="http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2012/05/the-real-cost-of-public-pensions" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2012/05/the-real-cost-of-public-pensions</a>) is right on the money. Too bad he didn&#8217;t include some of the OTHER nonsense coming from those fighting pension reform&#8230;.such as Police &amp; Firefighters trying to justify their absurdly generous pensions by saying that they only live on average about 5 years after retiring&#8230;. refuted as incorrect and ridiculous by CalPERS actuary. </p>
<p>Additionally, the modest &#8220;average&#8221; pensions that DB pension supporter like to quote are misleading for reasons beyond just the short career workers that Richwine mentioned. These &#8220;averages&#8221; also include (a) those who retired long ago at lower salaries (often before big, and sometimes retroactive benefit increases), (b) part-time workers, and (c) 50% survivorship share payouts to widows and widowers.</p>
<p>Notwithstanding Constitutional issues, contract law and property right issues, it&#8217;s WAY past time to end the financial rape of Taxpayers by the collusion between the Public Sector Unions and our self-serving, vote-selling, contribution-soliciting elected officials.</p>
<p>Employee contribution increases are NEVER even remotely sufficient to address this huge problem. The best (and justifiable) solution would be to end further DB Plan accruals for future service for CURRENT workers, or if that is not possible, to reduce the accrual rate by at least 50% &#8230; still leaving Public Sector workers with far greater pensions than their Private sector counterparts.</p>
<p>If neither of these options are viable, then we must outsource 90+% of all public Sector workers as outsourcing ends the &#8220;employment relationship&#8221; and with it all future growth in pensions and benefits.</p>
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		By: SkippingDog		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2012/09/21/californias-public-pension-jackpot/#comment-25307</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SkippingDog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 22:44:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You seem to be getting ever more shrill and unhinged as time passes, TL.  What&#039;s wrong?  Has you entire life gone so badly off track that you&#039;re reduced to nothing more than increasing bitter vitriol against public employees?

You used to occasionally have some worthwhile insights.  Where did they go?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You seem to be getting ever more shrill and unhinged as time passes, TL.  What&#8217;s wrong?  Has you entire life gone so badly off track that you&#8217;re reduced to nothing more than increasing bitter vitriol against public employees?</p>
<p>You used to occasionally have some worthwhile insights.  Where did they go?</p>
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		By: Tough Love		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2012/09/21/californias-public-pension-jackpot/#comment-25306</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tough Love]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 16:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Quoting Ron Kilmartin ...&quot;If Brown penalizes school 1 dime when Prop 30 fails, he should be impeached. The most logical place to cut is the CARB effort being wasted on global warming and the Department of Education itself. &quot;

No .... trash the Public Sector pensions ... ALL of them (for actives and retirees).  Reduce them the what SS pays and no more.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quoting Ron Kilmartin &#8230;&#8221;If Brown penalizes school 1 dime when Prop 30 fails, he should be impeached. The most logical place to cut is the CARB effort being wasted on global warming and the Department of Education itself. &#8221;</p>
<p>No &#8230;. trash the Public Sector pensions &#8230; ALL of them (for actives and retirees).  Reduce them the what SS pays and no more.</p>
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		By: eatingdogfood		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2012/09/21/californias-public-pension-jackpot/#comment-25305</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[eatingdogfood]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 13:18:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[RICO Conspiracy; The Unions and the Democrats!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RICO Conspiracy; The Unions and the Democrats!</p>
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		By: Ron Kilmartin		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2012/09/21/californias-public-pension-jackpot/#comment-25304</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ron Kilmartin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 04:04:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[See my blog: The Diabolic DEMPUB axis - Vote them out!

http://ronkilmartin.wordpress.com/

If Brown penalizes school 1 dime when Prop 30 fails, he should be impeached.  The most logical place to cut is the CARB effort being wasted on global warming and the Department of Education itself. Return the districts to parent control and the education bureaucrats in Sacamento and Washington to the real world.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See my blog: The Diabolic DEMPUB axis &#8211; Vote them out!</p>
<p><a href="http://ronkilmartin.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://ronkilmartin.wordpress.com/</a></p>
<p>If Brown penalizes school 1 dime when Prop 30 fails, he should be impeached.  The most logical place to cut is the CARB effort being wasted on global warming and the Department of Education itself. Return the districts to parent control and the education bureaucrats in Sacamento and Washington to the real world.</p>
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		By: Rex the Wonder Dog!		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2012/09/21/californias-public-pension-jackpot/#comment-25303</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rex the Wonder Dog!]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2012 17:42:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Teddy, why so mean today? Get up on the wrong side of the bed?? Spouse holding out??? ;( get ride of that unside down smile :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Teddy, why so mean today? Get up on the wrong side of the bed?? Spouse holding out??? ;( get ride of that unside down smile 🙂</p>
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		By: Queeg		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2012/09/21/californias-public-pension-jackpot/#comment-25302</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Queeg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2012 17:18:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Shun him...NOW!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shun him&#8230;NOW!</p>
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		By: Rex the Wonder Dog!		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2012/09/21/californias-public-pension-jackpot/#comment-25301</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rex the Wonder Dog!]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2012 16:32:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Teddy, you are the funniest little troll I have come across (seesaw #2), and that&#039;s why I love you (and seesaw) :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Teddy, you are the funniest little troll I have come across (seesaw #2), and that&#8217;s why I love you (and seesaw) 🙂</p>
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