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		By: david kerr		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2012/11/25/do-the-math-55-taxes-loom-for-300k-plus-earners-in-california/#comment-28993</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[david kerr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2012 13:22:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Fortunately, practice management consultants can help doctors adjust to the new rates.  See fewer medicaid patients.  Do more EKGs.  Pathologists can do more special stains.  See a patient twice a year who needs to be seen once a year.
Cutback on office staff.  Keep income in the corporation instead of taking it.
Structure the sale of your practice as an installment paid over several years.
Close your practice and move it to Arizona.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fortunately, practice management consultants can help doctors adjust to the new rates.  See fewer medicaid patients.  Do more EKGs.  Pathologists can do more special stains.  See a patient twice a year who needs to be seen once a year.<br />
Cutback on office staff.  Keep income in the corporation instead of taking it.<br />
Structure the sale of your practice as an installment paid over several years.<br />
Close your practice and move it to Arizona.</p>
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		By: Ted "Eddy Baby" Steele, Associate Prof.		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2012/11/25/do-the-math-55-taxes-loom-for-300k-plus-earners-in-california/#comment-28992</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ted "Eddy Baby" Steele, Associate Prof.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2012 04:01:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Rex the Poodle--- always wrong...

so far?


0 for 14 (tm)!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rex the Poodle&#8212; always wrong&#8230;</p>
<p>so far?</p>
<p>0 for 14 &#8482;!</p>
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		By: Douglas		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2012/11/25/do-the-math-55-taxes-loom-for-300k-plus-earners-in-california/#comment-28991</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Douglas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2012 03:17:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[No, I have never qualified for AMT, and I don&#039;t have data on how many Californians it affects, or how much. 

I also have never qualified for EITC. 

I understand the difference between marginal and effective tax rates. (I know a reasonable person understands, yet I claim the very title of this piece IMPLIES a 55% effective tax rate: misleading and sensationalistic)  effective and marginal rates are ambiguous throughout the article, such as Mr. Miller&#039;s statement : 

&quot;Marginal tax rates for self-employed people in California earning $300,000 and up (who pick up both “sides” of the payroll tax on a chunk of their earnings) could reach 55 percent or more.&quot;

That &quot;chunk&quot; does affect their effective tax, but no longer affects the marginal rate. 

California and federal taxes are very complex. Depending on source of income  and other factors, any two persons with identical incomes could have wildly different tax liabilities, whether in the lowest 20% or in the highest 1%. 

Those who earn over $300K are likely either astute enough or wealthy enough to hire someone to keep them out of the 55% total marginal bracket. 

I still maintain that VERY few, if any, will pay that much. 

If 19,000 US households with income over $200,000 pay NO income tax, how difficult is it to stay below the maximum marginal bracket?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, I have never qualified for AMT, and I don&#8217;t have data on how many Californians it affects, or how much. </p>
<p>I also have never qualified for EITC. </p>
<p>I understand the difference between marginal and effective tax rates. (I know a reasonable person understands, yet I claim the very title of this piece IMPLIES a 55% effective tax rate: misleading and sensationalistic)  effective and marginal rates are ambiguous throughout the article, such as Mr. Miller&#8217;s statement : </p>
<p>&#8220;Marginal tax rates for self-employed people in California earning $300,000 and up (who pick up both “sides” of the payroll tax on a chunk of their earnings) could reach 55 percent or more.&#8221;</p>
<p>That &#8220;chunk&#8221; does affect their effective tax, but no longer affects the marginal rate. </p>
<p>California and federal taxes are very complex. Depending on source of income  and other factors, any two persons with identical incomes could have wildly different tax liabilities, whether in the lowest 20% or in the highest 1%. </p>
<p>Those who earn over $300K are likely either astute enough or wealthy enough to hire someone to keep them out of the 55% total marginal bracket. </p>
<p>I still maintain that VERY few, if any, will pay that much. </p>
<p>If 19,000 US households with income over $200,000 pay NO income tax, how difficult is it to stay below the maximum marginal bracket?</p>
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		By: Rex the Wonder Dog!		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2012/11/25/do-the-math-55-taxes-loom-for-300k-plus-earners-in-california/#comment-28990</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rex the Wonder Dog!]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2012 02:50:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dougie is nothing but spin......]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dougie is nothing but spin&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		By: CalWatchdog		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2012/11/25/do-the-math-55-taxes-loom-for-300k-plus-earners-in-california/#comment-28989</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CalWatchdog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2012 02:03:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Douglas: You cited both marginal and effective rates, then mixed them up. &quot;Effective&quot; includes the rate paid on lower levels of income. For example, the wealthy pay lower taxes on their first $50,000 of income.

But the *marginal* rate is the most important one because it taxes every *added* dollar made. And it really will be 55% in California for those making enough. It can be avoided by not working any more, or by leaving the state or country.

-- John Seiler]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Douglas: You cited both marginal and effective rates, then mixed them up. &#8220;Effective&#8221; includes the rate paid on lower levels of income. For example, the wealthy pay lower taxes on their first $50,000 of income.</p>
<p>But the *marginal* rate is the most important one because it taxes every *added* dollar made. And it really will be 55% in California for those making enough. It can be avoided by not working any more, or by leaving the state or country.</p>
<p>&#8212; John Seiler</p>
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		By: Richard Rider		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Rider]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2012 01:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Douglas, the deduction for state income taxes often fades away for the wealthy because of the Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT).  But then, I bet you knew that.

And your stats come from a bogus liberal study.  For instance, it fails to count the income received by low income folks (EITC, CA tax exemption credits, and other direct subsidies -- including food stamps).  Poor people may pay some money into the tax system, but they do NOT pay ANY net taxes after the cash and equivalent subsidies they receive. 

But then, I bet you knew that.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Douglas, the deduction for state income taxes often fades away for the wealthy because of the Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT).  But then, I bet you knew that.</p>
<p>And your stats come from a bogus liberal study.  For instance, it fails to count the income received by low income folks (EITC, CA tax exemption credits, and other direct subsidies &#8212; including food stamps).  Poor people may pay some money into the tax system, but they do NOT pay ANY net taxes after the cash and equivalent subsidies they receive. </p>
<p>But then, I bet you knew that.</p>
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		By: Richard Rider		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2012/11/25/do-the-math-55-taxes-loom-for-300k-plus-earners-in-california/#comment-28987</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Rider]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2012 01:04:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Krugman&#039;s 91% income tax on the rich is the FEDERAL income tax.  The rich in CA ALSO now pay a 13.3% STATE income tax (presumably not deductible, according to Krugman).  

Gee, that comes to a tax PENALTY for making money -- a fine OVER AND ABOVE taking 100% of rich people&#039;s earnings.

And I&#039;ll assume it goes without saying that Krugman supports the confiscatory 55% or highest ESTATE tax rates kicking in next year.

And this fellow is still the darling of the liberal media because . . . ?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Krugman&#8217;s 91% income tax on the rich is the FEDERAL income tax.  The rich in CA ALSO now pay a 13.3% STATE income tax (presumably not deductible, according to Krugman).  </p>
<p>Gee, that comes to a tax PENALTY for making money &#8212; a fine OVER AND ABOVE taking 100% of rich people&#8217;s earnings.</p>
<p>And I&#8217;ll assume it goes without saying that Krugman supports the confiscatory 55% or highest ESTATE tax rates kicking in next year.</p>
<p>And this fellow is still the darling of the liberal media because . . . ?</p>
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		By: Douglas		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Douglas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 21:57:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Why would I want to mislead ANYONE?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why would I want to mislead ANYONE?</p>
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		By: Douglas		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2012/11/25/do-the-math-55-taxes-loom-for-300k-plus-earners-in-california/#comment-28985</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Douglas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 21:56:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Let the Cato Institute do it. 

Check out their video on the Laffer Curve.

Daniel Mitchell:
&quot;One of my frustrating missions in life is to educate policy makers on the Laffer Curve.

This means teaching folks on the left that tax policy affects incentives to earn and report taxable income.&quot;
.....&quot; If you double tax rates, for instance, you won&#039;t double tax revenue.&quot;




&quot;BUT......it also means teaching folks on the right that it is wildly wrong to claim that &quot;all tax cuts pay for themselves&quot; or that &quot;tax increases always mean less revenue.&quot; 



Ceteris paribus:  If tax increases were the ONLY factor being changed in Illinois or Connecticut, or California, you might have a point.  But when is that ever the case?

Notice Mr. Mitchell doesn’t say it is “wrong” to assume that tax increases always mean less revenue.     

He says it is WILDLY WRONG.
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My point in this post, however, has nothing to do with the effect the tax increases will have on the budget, or on the California economy. My point is that: 

&quot;55% taxes loom for $300K-plus earners in California&quot;

is BOGUS! I seriously doubt if ANYONE in California will pay 55% marginal tax rates.  

It&#039;s just sensationalism.

The purpose of the link: the top 1 percent of California pay an effective rate of 7.4%  for state and local taxes. That&#039;s ALL state and local taxes. For California income tax, the effective rate is 5.2%, after the federal deduction offset.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let the Cato Institute do it. </p>
<p>Check out their video on the Laffer Curve.</p>
<p>Daniel Mitchell:<br />
&#8220;One of my frustrating missions in life is to educate policy makers on the Laffer Curve.</p>
<p>This means teaching folks on the left that tax policy affects incentives to earn and report taxable income.&#8221;<br />
&#8230;..&#8221; If you double tax rates, for instance, you won&#8217;t double tax revenue.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;BUT&#8230;&#8230;it also means teaching folks on the right that it is wildly wrong to claim that &#8220;all tax cuts pay for themselves&#8221; or that &#8220;tax increases always mean less revenue.&#8221; </p>
<p>Ceteris paribus:  If tax increases were the ONLY factor being changed in Illinois or Connecticut, or California, you might have a point.  But when is that ever the case?</p>
<p>Notice Mr. Mitchell doesn’t say it is “wrong” to assume that tax increases always mean less revenue.     </p>
<p>He says it is WILDLY WRONG.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;<br />
My point in this post, however, has nothing to do with the effect the tax increases will have on the budget, or on the California economy. My point is that: </p>
<p>&#8220;55% taxes loom for $300K-plus earners in California&#8221;</p>
<p>is BOGUS! I seriously doubt if ANYONE in California will pay 55% marginal tax rates.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s just sensationalism.</p>
<p>The purpose of the link: the top 1 percent of California pay an effective rate of 7.4%  for state and local taxes. That&#8217;s ALL state and local taxes. For California income tax, the effective rate is 5.2%, after the federal deduction offset.</p>
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		By: Hondo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hondo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 19:12:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot; Planted the seeds for future trouble&quot;?
I don&#039;t think they will have to wait very long for &#039; Trouble&#039;.  I predict that next years budget will be in deficit.  Just like Illinois and Connecticut&#039;s were the year after huge tax increases ( and lets not forget the 09 Kali tax increase.  Did that solve anything?)
Douglas.  You have all the numbers.  Prove me wrong about Illinois and Connecticut and the 09 Kali tax increases.  You are very literate in your presentation of misleading a facts.  Mislead me and see if I fall for it.
Hondo......]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; Planted the seeds for future trouble&#8221;?<br />
I don&#8217;t think they will have to wait very long for &#8216; Trouble&#8217;.  I predict that next years budget will be in deficit.  Just like Illinois and Connecticut&#8217;s were the year after huge tax increases ( and lets not forget the 09 Kali tax increase.  Did that solve anything?)<br />
Douglas.  You have all the numbers.  Prove me wrong about Illinois and Connecticut and the 09 Kali tax increases.  You are very literate in your presentation of misleading a facts.  Mislead me and see if I fall for it.<br />
Hondo&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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