Comments on: Reality could stifle Prop. 13 reform attempts

By: Marten Purdy

Marten Purdy — Sun, 23 Dec 2012 19:47:07 +0000

A proposition in california that was voted in in 1978. it kept the property tax on houses from rising unless it was sold to somone outside the family. property tax in california, and in most other states, is what the education system gets its money from. so when prop 13 went into effect, the entire education system went into dissaray, and now the public shcool system in california has gone from being ranked 5th best in the country before prop 13 to 2nd to last after. it makes it so that there are little pockets of good schools, but the majority of public schools are no where near where they should be to teach the children of california.

By: SeeSaw

SeeSaw — Fri, 21 Dec 2012 07:58:28 +0000

Rex, a worker does not see the result of benefits in their postition until they separate from service. When a job is advertised, the salary is what is posted–benefits might be listed, but they are not posted in amounts, which vary from job to job and entity to entity. When you see a retail job opening posted, do you see the salary or the salary with benefits added? Of course not!

By: Rex the Wonder Dog!

Rex the Wonder Dog! — Fri, 21 Dec 2012 06:24:25 +0000

The Salary Schedule for a certified teacher in the Chaffey Joint Union High School District, is $39,966-$94,719, or approximately $19-$45 hr. You don’t add benefits when you talk about salary.
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You add in EVERY cost of the job, that includes benefits.

When benefits are free and taxpayers don’t pay for them then we will leave them out.

By: SeeSaw

SeeSaw — Thu, 20 Dec 2012 10:58:49 +0000

Name of School District? I cannot access the SacBee’s website, because I am not a paying customer.

The Salary Schedule for a certified teacher in the Chaffey Joint Union High School District, is $39,966-$94,719, or approximately $19-$45 hr. You don’t add benefits when you talk about salary.

By: Rex the Wonder Dog!

Rex the Wonder Dog! — Thu, 20 Dec 2012 07:09:13 +0000

Rex, how about providing documentation for CA teachers averaging $80/hr. That is about $100,000/yr. more than any teacher I know–and I know many teachers.
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The average- as in the MEAN, is $68K (in 2010- probably $70K+ now) in cash salary, benefits AVERAGE $40K (probably more if you use a REALISTIC ROI). That is on the SacBee website.

Contracted work year for a teacher is 37 weeks, contracted work week is 36 hours. $108K/37/36= $81.08/hour

Noww run the numbers at the TOP of the pay scale=$150K salary +$40K benefits= $190K/37/36= $142/hour.

By: SeeSaw

SeeSaw — Thu, 20 Dec 2012 04:07:49 +0000

Rex, how about providing documentation for CA teachers averaging $80/hr. That is about $100,000/yr. more than any teacher I know–and I know many teachers.

By: Rex the Wonder Dog!

Rex the Wonder Dog! — Thu, 20 Dec 2012 02:08:11 +0000

Even the hi tech companies are expanding outside CA.

By: Rex the Wonder Dog!

Rex the Wonder Dog! — Thu, 20 Dec 2012 02:07:53 +0000

We need to get more taxes through more ECONOMIC EXPANSION.
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No company is expanding in this state. The ;large manufacturers have all left. The only large manufacturer that is still here is Maglite in Ontario and pretty soon they are going to move.

By: Rex the Wonder Dog!

Rex the Wonder Dog! — Thu, 20 Dec 2012 02:06:52 +0000

“Messing with Prop. 13 for a long time was the third rail,” Ammiano said. “But because of changing economies and also cuts to education, when I go around the state, especially talking with the middle class and above, they’re ready for reform of Prop. 13 in some way that would not hurt seniors but that would be more appropriate for taxes coming from the commercial properties.”
This guy is a tree hugging looney tune. Education gets more money – by far -than any other area of gov.

Teachers in CA are averageing $80/hour, that is 570% MORE than the states median of hourly wage of $13.92 an hour. And he says that edcation are taking cuts?????

By: BobA

BobA — Wed, 19 Dec 2012 18:28:00 +0000

Hondo:

Unfortunately, most of the people who are in favor of raising taxes have fed at the government trough most of the working lives and thus lack an economic understanding of the consequences of higher taxes. The profit motives of capitalism is as alien to them as job security and a guaranteed retirement income is to us.

Or, they are fabulously wealthy (e.g., Warren Buffet, Bill Gates, Hollywood actors, etc.) and thus are uneffected by high taxes. At the opposite end of the spectrum, the poor pay no taxes and are heavily subsidized by the government and for the sake of their own welfare, have no interest or stack in keeping taxes low either (btw: an argument can be made that they have an interest in seeing taxes go up).