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		By: robbie		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[robbie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Sep 2016 23:38:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[My husband is working at the joint forces training facility  doing hvac work he believes he&#039;s getting cheated on the prevailing  wage but have had a problem finding exactly what the whe should be . Can anyone steer us in the right direction to figure this out?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My husband is working at the joint forces training facility  doing hvac work he believes he&#8217;s getting cheated on the prevailing  wage but have had a problem finding exactly what the whe should be . Can anyone steer us in the right direction to figure this out?</p>
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		By: Anonymous Contractor		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2013/01/11/prevailing-wage-scams-steal-from-taxpayers/#comment-120028</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous Contractor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2016 22:09:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As a General Contractor we put prevailing wage requirements in every contract to subcontractors. We also follow all of the guidelines for monitoring the subcontractors compliance with these laws. It is very expensive paperwork because the scope of each classification is not very well defined. What has happened multiple times is that a Subcontractor will not pay their workers the correct wage. They will in turn complain to the DIR and then claim that they are our employees which is a lie. The labor commissioner does not care, the judge does not care and the voters do not care because the workers win every time. And they always take the opportunity to embellish their unpaid hours sometimes claiming their cousins, etc worked on site even though the site log shows they were never there. Why should the General Contractor be punished for a Subcontractor who underbids the project and then doesn&#039;t pay their workers? How was such an incompetent person even issued a CA Contractor&#039;s license? Not sure why but the truth is that the burden of making sure subcontractors are following the law falls to us, the GC. So word to the wise be careful who you take a risk on when awarding bidders the project. It&#039;s not always in your best interest to hire the lowest bidder. Drywall is particularly scandalous. Be especially wary of that trade.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a General Contractor we put prevailing wage requirements in every contract to subcontractors. We also follow all of the guidelines for monitoring the subcontractors compliance with these laws. It is very expensive paperwork because the scope of each classification is not very well defined. What has happened multiple times is that a Subcontractor will not pay their workers the correct wage. They will in turn complain to the DIR and then claim that they are our employees which is a lie. The labor commissioner does not care, the judge does not care and the voters do not care because the workers win every time. And they always take the opportunity to embellish their unpaid hours sometimes claiming their cousins, etc worked on site even though the site log shows they were never there. Why should the General Contractor be punished for a Subcontractor who underbids the project and then doesn&#8217;t pay their workers? How was such an incompetent person even issued a CA Contractor&#8217;s license? Not sure why but the truth is that the burden of making sure subcontractors are following the law falls to us, the GC. So word to the wise be careful who you take a risk on when awarding bidders the project. It&#8217;s not always in your best interest to hire the lowest bidder. Drywall is particularly scandalous. Be especially wary of that trade.</p>
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		By: DSA Inspector		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2013/01/11/prevailing-wage-scams-steal-from-taxpayers/#comment-119721</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DSA Inspector]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2015 13:06:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I am they target as a legal extortion scam by to known subcontractors in the inspection field, in Los Angeles, for the Division of the State Architect. They are DSA inspectors with no integrity or morals. These  individuals are extorting thousands and thousands of dollars from people like myself.


There is a loophole and they are using it against honest people. They own their own corporations. Payments were made to their corporation by my corp.  yet they are suing my Corp as individuals.  Invoices were on Corp stationary &#038; all payments were made to their corporations. They say they were employees yet months would go by without any conversations between us. I have done nothing improper. They really are sub contractors. My financial life is being ruined after a life time of work. 

If someone reads this and wants to help please contact me at the following email. 

mustgotobeach@gmail.com

This is highway robbery! 

I have less than 25 days ts to respond to a summons- I really need help- Please

The email I am using hides my identity from this suing me. Please help]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am they target as a legal extortion scam by to known subcontractors in the inspection field, in Los Angeles, for the Division of the State Architect. They are DSA inspectors with no integrity or morals. These  individuals are extorting thousands and thousands of dollars from people like myself.</p>
<p>There is a loophole and they are using it against honest people. They own their own corporations. Payments were made to their corporation by my corp.  yet they are suing my Corp as individuals.  Invoices were on Corp stationary &amp; all payments were made to their corporations. They say they were employees yet months would go by without any conversations between us. I have done nothing improper. They really are sub contractors. My financial life is being ruined after a life time of work. </p>
<p>If someone reads this and wants to help please contact me at the following email. </p>
<p><a href="mailto:mustgotobeach@gmail.com">mustgotobeach@gmail.com</a></p>
<p>This is highway robbery! </p>
<p>I have less than 25 days ts to respond to a summons- I really need help- Please</p>
<p>The email I am using hides my identity from this suing me. Please help</p>
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		By: Prevailing wage enforcement aims to clean out janitors &#124; JimmyNewser.com		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2013/01/11/prevailing-wage-scams-steal-from-taxpayers/#comment-117679</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Prevailing wage enforcement aims to clean out janitors &#124; JimmyNewser.com]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2015 10:32:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] to a CalWatchdog article by Katy Grimes, calwatchdog.com/2013/01/11, Assemblyman Curt Hagman, R-Chino Hills, arc.asm.ca.gov/member/AD55/, is seeking to introduce [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] to a CalWatchdog article by Katy Grimes, calwatchdog.com/2013/01/11, Assemblyman Curt Hagman, R-Chino Hills, arc.asm.ca.gov/member/AD55/, is seeking to introduce [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: violet		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2013/01/11/prevailing-wage-scams-steal-from-taxpayers/#comment-42266</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[violet]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Oct 2013 03:04:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[CA is so crooked. They require workers to be paid these asanine hourly wages, yet they wont take bids for those rates.They take the bottom of the barrell number and starving contractors have to get low to even get a job. They make deals with their guys that they cant afford the rate, but offer them a lower rate. They shake on it and then the DIR calls the workers several times a day and entices the workers to turn in their boss. If the worker happens to be a race other than white, they ask them over and over again if their boss is racist towards them. The DIR is corrupt and will do anything to put companies out of business. Thet make it impossible to pay prevailing wage, yet they are so determined to put businesses out of business. I could elaborate more, but Im tired. I have first hand knowledge and hope a class action lawsuit is filed against CA and the DIR for what they have done.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CA is so crooked. They require workers to be paid these asanine hourly wages, yet they wont take bids for those rates.They take the bottom of the barrell number and starving contractors have to get low to even get a job. They make deals with their guys that they cant afford the rate, but offer them a lower rate. They shake on it and then the DIR calls the workers several times a day and entices the workers to turn in their boss. If the worker happens to be a race other than white, they ask them over and over again if their boss is racist towards them. The DIR is corrupt and will do anything to put companies out of business. Thet make it impossible to pay prevailing wage, yet they are so determined to put businesses out of business. I could elaborate more, but Im tired. I have first hand knowledge and hope a class action lawsuit is filed against CA and the DIR for what they have done.</p>
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		By: Adam		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2013/01/11/prevailing-wage-scams-steal-from-taxpayers/#comment-6533</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Adam]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Mar 2013 16:59:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have experienced the same issue when contracting with a government agency directly.  They require all bidders to agree to pay prevailing wages and then award the bid to someone who is 40% of the cost of a prevailing wage bid. And the action is blatant. 
We provide experienced seasonal office workers and so are bidding on say 10 positions for 3 months. That&#039;s 522 hours for each person x 10 people. So we multiple 5,220 hours times the $22.00 prevailing wage for a total of $114,840. You then adds some overhead to arrive at your final bid price.
  
The winning bidder was $48,000 total.  When the other bidders point out this bid is not in compliance, we are told that to protest the award we have to put up 20% of our bid ($23,000) and the city will investigate.  If the city finds no problem then we forfeit the $23,000. I have never paid, would you?  If they won&#039;t do the math then they won&#039;t do the investigation.  They will just keep my $23K.

This makes it impossible to follow the law and win a bid.  

So if you are willing to sign papers with the city to say you follow all their regulations, then they are protected and can claim innocence if investigated.  The whole point of contracting out for labor is that they don&#039;t have the budget to pay prevailing wages themselves.  They reject detailed invoices and so don&#039;t really want to know what you pay your workers.

If the Prevailing Wage laws weren&#039;t in place then this is how it should work.

But if you want to win a bid today you have to accept liability, ignore the law and put your company at risk.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have experienced the same issue when contracting with a government agency directly.  They require all bidders to agree to pay prevailing wages and then award the bid to someone who is 40% of the cost of a prevailing wage bid. And the action is blatant.<br />
We provide experienced seasonal office workers and so are bidding on say 10 positions for 3 months. That&#8217;s 522 hours for each person x 10 people. So we multiple 5,220 hours times the $22.00 prevailing wage for a total of $114,840. You then adds some overhead to arrive at your final bid price.</p>
<p>The winning bidder was $48,000 total.  When the other bidders point out this bid is not in compliance, we are told that to protest the award we have to put up 20% of our bid ($23,000) and the city will investigate.  If the city finds no problem then we forfeit the $23,000. I have never paid, would you?  If they won&#8217;t do the math then they won&#8217;t do the investigation.  They will just keep my $23K.</p>
<p>This makes it impossible to follow the law and win a bid.  </p>
<p>So if you are willing to sign papers with the city to say you follow all their regulations, then they are protected and can claim innocence if investigated.  The whole point of contracting out for labor is that they don&#8217;t have the budget to pay prevailing wages themselves.  They reject detailed invoices and so don&#8217;t really want to know what you pay your workers.</p>
<p>If the Prevailing Wage laws weren&#8217;t in place then this is how it should work.</p>
<p>But if you want to win a bid today you have to accept liability, ignore the law and put your company at risk.</p>
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		By: Valerie		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2013/01/11/prevailing-wage-scams-steal-from-taxpayers/#comment-6532</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Valerie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2013 01:09:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[And people wonder why businesses are leaving California....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And people wonder why businesses are leaving California&#8230;.</p>
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		By: Marten Purdy		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2013/01/11/prevailing-wage-scams-steal-from-taxpayers/#comment-6531</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marten Purdy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2013 19:21:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Window washing, lawn care, painting and some other handyman kind of undertakings are usually included in janitorial services. It would be wise on your budget if you seek a janitorial service that offers all these services in one combo pack.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Window washing, lawn care, painting and some other handyman kind of undertakings are usually included in janitorial services. It would be wise on your budget if you seek a janitorial service that offers all these services in one combo pack.</p>
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		By: Bill - San Jose		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2013/01/11/prevailing-wage-scams-steal-from-taxpayers/#comment-6530</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bill - San Jose]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2013 18:30:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Our crews were setup to pay Davis Bacon wages.

I can attest that the term prevailing wage and davis bacon are part of the problem we face when dealing with unions and governments.  Neither is productive and both costs taxpayers billions each year in overcompensated work classifications.

Forklift operator on our project was paid 22.00/hour.  With Davis Bacon, it went to 51.51 per hour.

These are facts that cannot be disputed.  Getting bonded to operate a forklift takes two hours.

Next topic about how unions and government have ruined this country / state.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our crews were setup to pay Davis Bacon wages.</p>
<p>I can attest that the term prevailing wage and davis bacon are part of the problem we face when dealing with unions and governments.  Neither is productive and both costs taxpayers billions each year in overcompensated work classifications.</p>
<p>Forklift operator on our project was paid 22.00/hour.  With Davis Bacon, it went to 51.51 per hour.</p>
<p>These are facts that cannot be disputed.  Getting bonded to operate a forklift takes two hours.</p>
<p>Next topic about how unions and government have ruined this country / state.</p>
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		By: Kevin Dayton, Labor Issues Solutions, LLC		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2013/01/11/prevailing-wage-scams-steal-from-taxpayers/#comment-6529</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin Dayton, Labor Issues Solutions, LLC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2013 04:08:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m quoted in this article. Here are some additional points that readers especially interested in this issue might find valuable:

1. In 1992, the California Supreme Court (in Lusardi Construction Co. v. Aubry) summarized the purpose of the state&#039;s prevailing wage laws. Notice how this bizarre system is meant to benefit unions and establish a wage rate that relates to the circumstances of public employees:

&quot;The overall purpose of the prevailing wage law, as noted earlier, is to benefit and protect employees on public works projects. This general objective subsumes within it a number of specific goals: to protect employees from substandard wages that might be paid if contractors could recruit labor from distant cheap-labor areas; to permit union contractors to compete with nonunion contractors; to benefit the public through the superior efficiency of well-paid employees; and to compensate nonpublic employees with higher wages for the absence of job security and employment benefits enjoyed by public employees.&quot;

2. A 2009 decision of the Director of the California Department of Industrial Relations shows the ambiguity in this classification of work. The decision upheld a labor compliance program&#039;s withholding of payment from a contractor because it did not pay the $45/hour wage rate to workers for &quot;specified cleaning services, including vacuuming, dusting, cleaning and polishing windows, walls and floors.&quot; The contractor argued that such work in this somewhat exceptional circumstance would fall under a &quot;janitorial exception&quot; that &quot;only applies to contracts let solely for maintenance work.&quot; The Director determined that because the cleaning work was performed as a requirement of a broader public works contract, the contractor had to pay the state-mandated wage rate for construction cleanup.

http://www.dir.ca.gov/OPRL/1742decisions/09-0095-CPR.pdf

3. The only local governments in the state that can circumvent state-mandated construction wage rates for certain taxpayer-funded projects are the state&#039;s 121 charter cities. The number of new charter cities has increased significantly in the past several years as prevailing wage laws and public works definitions have become more absurd. In response, construction unions campaigned aggressively in 2011 and 2012 to defeat proposed city charters in Rancho Palos Verdes, Auburn, Costa Mesa, and Grover Beach.

This is one of the few opportunities for local governments and beleaguered taxpayers to escape the clutches of the state legislature. To find out more about charter cities exercising local authority over wage rates for construction contractors on purely municipal projects, see this guide entitled Are Charter Cities Taking Advantage of State-Mandated Construction Wage Rate (“Prevailing Wage”) Exemptions?

http://www.caccg.org/wp-content/uploads/downloads/2012/09/CCCG-CharterCitiesReportSummer2012.pdf]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m quoted in this article. Here are some additional points that readers especially interested in this issue might find valuable:</p>
<p>1. In 1992, the California Supreme Court (in Lusardi Construction Co. v. Aubry) summarized the purpose of the state&#8217;s prevailing wage laws. Notice how this bizarre system is meant to benefit unions and establish a wage rate that relates to the circumstances of public employees:</p>
<p>&#8220;The overall purpose of the prevailing wage law, as noted earlier, is to benefit and protect employees on public works projects. This general objective subsumes within it a number of specific goals: to protect employees from substandard wages that might be paid if contractors could recruit labor from distant cheap-labor areas; to permit union contractors to compete with nonunion contractors; to benefit the public through the superior efficiency of well-paid employees; and to compensate nonpublic employees with higher wages for the absence of job security and employment benefits enjoyed by public employees.&#8221;</p>
<p>2. A 2009 decision of the Director of the California Department of Industrial Relations shows the ambiguity in this classification of work. The decision upheld a labor compliance program&#8217;s withholding of payment from a contractor because it did not pay the $45/hour wage rate to workers for &#8220;specified cleaning services, including vacuuming, dusting, cleaning and polishing windows, walls and floors.&#8221; The contractor argued that such work in this somewhat exceptional circumstance would fall under a &#8220;janitorial exception&#8221; that &#8220;only applies to contracts let solely for maintenance work.&#8221; The Director determined that because the cleaning work was performed as a requirement of a broader public works contract, the contractor had to pay the state-mandated wage rate for construction cleanup.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dir.ca.gov/OPRL/1742decisions/09-0095-CPR.pdf" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.dir.ca.gov/OPRL/1742decisions/09-0095-CPR.pdf</a></p>
<p>3. The only local governments in the state that can circumvent state-mandated construction wage rates for certain taxpayer-funded projects are the state&#8217;s 121 charter cities. The number of new charter cities has increased significantly in the past several years as prevailing wage laws and public works definitions have become more absurd. In response, construction unions campaigned aggressively in 2011 and 2012 to defeat proposed city charters in Rancho Palos Verdes, Auburn, Costa Mesa, and Grover Beach.</p>
<p>This is one of the few opportunities for local governments and beleaguered taxpayers to escape the clutches of the state legislature. To find out more about charter cities exercising local authority over wage rates for construction contractors on purely municipal projects, see this guide entitled Are Charter Cities Taking Advantage of State-Mandated Construction Wage Rate (“Prevailing Wage”) Exemptions?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.caccg.org/wp-content/uploads/downloads/2012/09/CCCG-CharterCitiesReportSummer2012.pdf" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.caccg.org/wp-content/uploads/downloads/2012/09/CCCG-CharterCitiesReportSummer2012.pdf</a></p>
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