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		By: ELL		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2013/03/03/immigration-debate-over-in-ca/#comment-8907</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ELL]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 May 2013 02:35:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Illegal is illegal.  Leave my country, stand in line with the rest of the world and wait your turn. No path to citizenship if you are in this country illegally.  Go home and we&#039;ll talk.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Illegal is illegal.  Leave my country, stand in line with the rest of the world and wait your turn. No path to citizenship if you are in this country illegally.  Go home and we&#8217;ll talk.</p>
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		By: C.J.		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2013/03/03/immigration-debate-over-in-ca/#comment-8906</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[C.J.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Mar 2013 21:24:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[California cannot be a halfway house for the world&#039;s downtrodden.
Immigration laws exist for a reason. I would argue primarily to protect our wealth from being siphoned off.
Being good &quot;liberals,&quot; though, our leaders feel the need throw other people&#039;s (i.e. my) money at those who did not earn it and thereby tempt the fates of nations.
Enjoy the ride, America.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>California cannot be a halfway house for the world&#8217;s downtrodden.<br />
Immigration laws exist for a reason. I would argue primarily to protect our wealth from being siphoned off.<br />
Being good &#8220;liberals,&#8221; though, our leaders feel the need throw other people&#8217;s (i.e. my) money at those who did not earn it and thereby tempt the fates of nations.<br />
Enjoy the ride, America.</p>
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		By: old dude		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2013/03/03/immigration-debate-over-in-ca/#comment-8905</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Mar 2013 20:53:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Kalifornia is fast becoming the like and kind of East Germany following WW2. The corrupt socialst democrats running the state are to blame for the state being hopelessly broken to the point the productive people who want to keep the fruits of their labor can&#039;t wait to leave.  Now the Republicans want in on the &quot;take from those who work and give it to the illegal and lazy who don&#039;t work&quot; game just for a vote to stay in office?  WARNING: Don&#039;t pet a politician, they&#039;re venomous and they do bite.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kalifornia is fast becoming the like and kind of East Germany following WW2. The corrupt socialst democrats running the state are to blame for the state being hopelessly broken to the point the productive people who want to keep the fruits of their labor can&#8217;t wait to leave.  Now the Republicans want in on the &#8220;take from those who work and give it to the illegal and lazy who don&#8217;t work&#8221; game just for a vote to stay in office?  WARNING: Don&#8217;t pet a politician, they&#8217;re venomous and they do bite.</p>
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		By: jimmydeeoc		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2013/03/03/immigration-debate-over-in-ca/#comment-8904</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Mar 2013 20:35:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Undocumented&quot;?  What a load of horse****.  

You bet they have documents----------

&quot;Any citizen of age 18 or greater must go to an electoral office in order be registered into the electoral census. Citizens receive a voting card (credencial de elector con fotografía), issued by the Federal Electoral Institute (IFE) that must be shown to vote in any election. The voting card also serves as a national identity document.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Undocumented&#8221;?  What a load of horse****.  </p>
<p>You bet they have documents&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>&#8220;Any citizen of age 18 or greater must go to an electoral office in order be registered into the electoral census. Citizens receive a voting card (credencial de elector con fotografía), issued by the Federal Electoral Institute (IFE) that must be shown to vote in any election. The voting card also serves as a national identity document.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Wayne Lusvardi		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2013/03/03/immigration-debate-over-in-ca/#comment-8903</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wayne Lusvardi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Mar 2013 17:26:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[No politician Left or Right is willing to admit how the U.S. immigration system works as an informal social contract. 

For the most part the U.S. casts a blind eye to illegal immigration because it needs cheap labor to compete globally and for the hospitality, food service, and agriculture industries. 

Economic migrants are allowed to stay unless they violate criminal laws. 

The social contract is that their children are given subsidized public education in return for citizenship if born in the U.S.  Then they are given affirmative action sinecures.  

This social contract -- cheap labor in return for citizenship for children born in the U.S. and affirmative action jobs -- is how the system works.  And the U.S. needs the population growth and more children to support social security and Medicare programs.  

Conservatives believe it is all illegal.  But it is a quasi-legal system that is meant to prop up the economy and provide a population base that will pay into social support programs mainly for the elderly.  

Especially in California there is a lack of children at the base of the population pyramid to support the elderly.  The problem with this unofficial immigration system is that it produces a disproportionate number of non-intact dependent families that are a drain on welfare programs and do not contribute to economic productivity.  

Economist Milton Friedman pointed out long ago that for the economy to work young adults needed to buy homes and take out mortgages and small business loans with funds borrowed from elderly retired persons.  This creates an intergenerational economic cycle of support.  The problem comes when there are not enough young adults from intact families who are buying homes and taking out loans.  

Government policies to force place dependent families into housing ownership and loans -- called the Mortgage Bubble -- failed miserably and mostly ruined second generation immigrant families.  

So conservatives are wrong to oppose immigration needed to prop up the base of the population pyramid; and liberals are wrong to believe they can social engineer second generation immigrant families into becoming economically productive through affirmative action policies and cheap money loans to buy housing.  And the cheap money loans do not pay a sufficient rate of return to investments held by retirees.  

Conservatives need to accept that immigration is a needed unofficial policy for economic growth.  Liberals need to realize that social engineering and jobs programs will result in collapse of the economic system -- ergo the Mortgage Meltdown which has led to municipal insolvencies.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No politician Left or Right is willing to admit how the U.S. immigration system works as an informal social contract. </p>
<p>For the most part the U.S. casts a blind eye to illegal immigration because it needs cheap labor to compete globally and for the hospitality, food service, and agriculture industries. </p>
<p>Economic migrants are allowed to stay unless they violate criminal laws. </p>
<p>The social contract is that their children are given subsidized public education in return for citizenship if born in the U.S.  Then they are given affirmative action sinecures.  </p>
<p>This social contract &#8212; cheap labor in return for citizenship for children born in the U.S. and affirmative action jobs &#8212; is how the system works.  And the U.S. needs the population growth and more children to support social security and Medicare programs.  </p>
<p>Conservatives believe it is all illegal.  But it is a quasi-legal system that is meant to prop up the economy and provide a population base that will pay into social support programs mainly for the elderly.  </p>
<p>Especially in California there is a lack of children at the base of the population pyramid to support the elderly.  The problem with this unofficial immigration system is that it produces a disproportionate number of non-intact dependent families that are a drain on welfare programs and do not contribute to economic productivity.  </p>
<p>Economist Milton Friedman pointed out long ago that for the economy to work young adults needed to buy homes and take out mortgages and small business loans with funds borrowed from elderly retired persons.  This creates an intergenerational economic cycle of support.  The problem comes when there are not enough young adults from intact families who are buying homes and taking out loans.  </p>
<p>Government policies to force place dependent families into housing ownership and loans &#8212; called the Mortgage Bubble &#8212; failed miserably and mostly ruined second generation immigrant families.  </p>
<p>So conservatives are wrong to oppose immigration needed to prop up the base of the population pyramid; and liberals are wrong to believe they can social engineer second generation immigrant families into becoming economically productive through affirmative action policies and cheap money loans to buy housing.  And the cheap money loans do not pay a sufficient rate of return to investments held by retirees.  </p>
<p>Conservatives need to accept that immigration is a needed unofficial policy for economic growth.  Liberals need to realize that social engineering and jobs programs will result in collapse of the economic system &#8212; ergo the Mortgage Meltdown which has led to municipal insolvencies.</p>
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		By: Max2		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2013/03/03/immigration-debate-over-in-ca/#comment-8902</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Mar 2013 17:11:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[An &quot;undocumented immigrant&quot; is an oxy-moron.  It&#039;s no different than calling a car thief an &quot;undocumented owner.&quot;   (credit: Kris Kobach, Kansas Secretary of State)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An &#8220;undocumented immigrant&#8221; is an oxy-moron.  It&#8217;s no different than calling a car thief an &#8220;undocumented owner.&#8221;   (credit: Kris Kobach, Kansas Secretary of State)</p>
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		By: CJ		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2013/03/03/immigration-debate-over-in-ca/#comment-8901</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CJ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Mar 2013 17:06:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t know, people continue voting on California&#039;s future with their feet.  From what I read the cost of illegal immigrants is a big concern for people. 

U-Haul Rate comparison – People are leaving N. California, period. Summary on this video link. 

http://youtu.be/l_sGbrtOzA8

Why they are leaving is open for debate but the evidence from my U-Haul research is very strong, the outflow is dramatic.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know, people continue voting on California&#8217;s future with their feet.  From what I read the cost of illegal immigrants is a big concern for people. </p>
<p>U-Haul Rate comparison – People are leaving N. California, period. Summary on this video link. </p>
<p><a href="http://youtu.be/l_sGbrtOzA8" rel="nofollow ugc">http://youtu.be/l_sGbrtOzA8</a></p>
<p>Why they are leaving is open for debate but the evidence from my U-Haul research is very strong, the outflow is dramatic.</p>
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		By: stolson		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2013/03/03/immigration-debate-over-in-ca/#comment-8900</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[stolson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Mar 2013 15:28:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Illegals make CA to be the next Greece.  For real.  Sacramento knows this; they just kick the can down the road. It will be the wealthier along the coasts and the lower classes inland--few real middle class will exist in 5 yrs. To offset, will they raise property taxes to an extreme?  Add more taxes? Increase the state income tax?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Illegals make CA to be the next Greece.  For real.  Sacramento knows this; they just kick the can down the road. It will be the wealthier along the coasts and the lower classes inland&#8211;few real middle class will exist in 5 yrs. To offset, will they raise property taxes to an extreme?  Add more taxes? Increase the state income tax?</p>
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		By: The Modified Ted Steele Methodologies (tm)		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2013/03/03/immigration-debate-over-in-ca/#comment-8899</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Modified Ted Steele Methodologies (tm)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Mar 2013 14:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[All I can say Greeny--is, thank God California voters are wise enough to keep this state blue!


Discuss (rant)-]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All I can say Greeny&#8211;is, thank God California voters are wise enough to keep this state blue!</p>
<p>Discuss (rant)-</p>
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