Comments on: Lopsided approval shows SEIU had its way on contract

By: S Moderation Douglas

S Moderation Douglas — Fri, 12 Jul 2013 06:02:47 +0000

SeeSaw,

Forgive them for they know not what they do.

By: S Moderation Douglas

S Moderation Douglas — Fri, 12 Jul 2013 05:56:41 +0000

Soquel, I know we’ve done this before. RATES is only one factor in determining total taxes paid.

Simply put: forget about per capita. Typical California family of four in the lowest quintile pays over 10% of its income in state and local taxes (sales, property, etc)

Typical family of four in the highest quintile pays less than 9% in state and local taxes.

And, despite the “rates”, neither of these families pays the “highest taxes in the nation”

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http://m.ocregister.com/totalbuzz/tax-502309-state-highest.html

I never argued that the highest quintile didn’t account for the lions share of state tax revenue. I said that, as a rule, they pay a LOWER PERCENTAGE of their income in state and local taxes than the lowest quintile.

Several studies verify this. Tax Foundation quibbles about ITEP methodology, but their differences are relatively minor. Washington DC study samples of typical families of various income groups in major cities corroborates these figures.

If you are in the highest quintile in California, on average, you will pay a MUCH higher percentage of your income in state and local taxes than will the highest quintile in any other state.

BUT your taxes, as a percent of income will be roughly equal to or lower than the national average for ALL quintiles.

All things considered, being rich in California is better than being poor in California. (In my opinion)

The glass is at least half full.

By: SeeSaw

SeeSaw — Fri, 12 Jul 2013 03:24:25 +0000

Its good that you whiners have these forums to serve as buckets, to collect your tears! Unless you have been living in a cave, you would know you are lucky to be alive, and should be thankful, if your loved ones are all safe. Four and one-half percent, over four years, is pretty lean, and step raises every year, for just showing up are a figment of someone’s imagination! If you hate CA so much, find another state to live in–there are 49 others, from which to choose.

By: Rex the Wonderdog!

Rex the Wonderdog! — Fri, 12 Jul 2013 01:25:02 +0000

S Moderation Douglas, thanks for making my point. Apparently your data is vastly out of date.
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Dougie is ALL SPIN, don’t expect legit argument from him.

By: @SoquelCreek

@SoquelCreek — Thu, 11 Jul 2013 23:35:44 +0000

Rex the Wonderdog! and Tom Hooper, unfortunately, history seems to show that tax rates generally only march in one direction in California–UP!

The following chart shows the history of California state sales tax rates.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-fdbRS_UGP98/UTADYdaYOFI/AAAAAAAACWM/R_m0hWbH5F0/s1600/History+of+California+Sales+Tax.png

By: @SoquelCreek

@SoquelCreek — Thu, 11 Jul 2013 23:31:54 +0000

S Moderation Douglas, thanks for making my point.

Apparently your data is vastly out of date. In fact, even the latest comparisons using pre-2012 tax rates. Before then, California’s top rate of 10.3% was only 2nd-highest in the nation. Thanks to Proposition 30, we now have three tax brackets above that at 11.3%, 12.3%, and 13.3%, the three highest in the nation. The old 10.3% bracket, once reserved only for millionaires, now affects those with $250,000 or more in taxable income.

This old comparison shows that California has the nation’s 4th-highest rates overall.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/personalfinance/2012/10/28/state-taxes-states-highest-lowest/1654071/

This old comparison shows that California is 2nd-highest.
http://www.forbes.com/2009/05/20/state-income-tax-rates-personal-finance-taxes-ten-highest_slide_3.html

You also forget that your comparisons are “per capita”, which erroneously assumes that the tax burden is spread equally among all Californians. In reality, California has one of the most income-progressive tax systems in the nation that over-relies on taxes for capital gains from Wall Street and real estate.

Here’s an easy comparison showing the incomes, taxes paid, effective tax rates, and voting power of the bottom 2/3rds of California taxpayers and the top 2%. This data comes directly from the California Franchise Tax Board. Thanks to Proposition 30, the situation is even more lopsided.

CHART: The Bottom 2/3rds of California Taxpayers vs. the Top 2% on Income, Income Taxes Paid, Contributions to General Fund, Effective Tax Rate, and Voting Power
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-HglmS2Z_jQM/Tt7A2LYJIiI/AAAAAAAAAyw/RiIERkJe2zA/s1600/share_of_ca_taxes_and_voting_power.png

By: Queeg

Queeg — Thu, 11 Jul 2013 20:30:48 +0000

Taxes and fees going through roof as well as minimum wage…prevailing wage….living wage……while you doomers hide under your surplus army blankets wearing your high school sports letter jackets!

By: Sean Morham SIlver

Sean Morham SIlver — Thu, 11 Jul 2013 14:22:37 +0000

Eat, Yvonne, eat,,,feed the rump.

By: Rex the Wonderdog!

Rex the Wonderdog! — Thu, 11 Jul 2013 05:33:58 +0000

I would like to know what is going to happen. When the 1/4 cent sales tax dissappears.
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It is NEVER going to “disappear”, the “temporary tax” line is just a bait and switch, there is no such thing as a temporary tax. There is NO funding mechanism to replace the sales tax hike, and no mechanism for employment cuts-which means the idiots will keep it in place. There was never a plan to have it go away. Ever.

By: Tom Hooper

Tom Hooper — Thu, 11 Jul 2013 02:53:51 +0000

I would like to know what is going to happen. When the 1/4 cent sales tax dissappears. One more time jerry brown is going to stick it to the average citizen. I am being nice with my vocabulary. ….
I am definitely going to move my business out of this state. And taking my millions in taxes with me. These fricking democrats haven’t learned a damn thing yet. The only difference between nobama and brown is the damn color of their skin. But both are trying to rape the citizens.