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		By: g		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Dec 2013 02:26:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[expletive] Jerry Brown and all the &quot;greenies&quot; masquerading as environmentalists.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[expletive] Jerry Brown and all the &#8220;greenies&#8221; masquerading as environmentalists.</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Sep 2013 14:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Eventually most all of these types of bills will pass. Hunters and gun owners have not made a convincing argument to the voters of California who elect our representatives in Sacramento. Angry gun owners and hunters should stop ranting and start questioning the repeated failures of their leadership on these important issues.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eventually most all of these types of bills will pass. Hunters and gun owners have not made a convincing argument to the voters of California who elect our representatives in Sacramento. Angry gun owners and hunters should stop ranting and start questioning the repeated failures of their leadership on these important issues.</p>
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		By: Ulysses Uhaul.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ulysses Uhaul.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Sep 2013 16:18:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What a tome.....who cares.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a tome&#8230;..who cares.</p>
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		By: Keith Ringg		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Keith Ringg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Sep 2013 20:51:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Judd Hanna continues to advocate for animal rights activist.  This year on AB711 as he did last year on SB1221. Let his record speak for him. I don’t consider him a sportsman.

http://www.dailybulletin.com/20120306/critics-of-move-to-oust-fish-and-game-commissioner-did-same-five-years-ago 
&quot;Mr. Hanna&#039;s behavior has raised serious questions about his suitability to hold this position,&quot; the letter said, adding: &quot;He has become an outspoken advocate seeking to achieve his own personal objectives by influencing the commission&#039;s actions.&quot; ….
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Mike Sutton is the Executive Director, Audubon California. Audubon is one of the sponsors of AB711. 
Let his record speak for him. I don’t consider him a sportsman either.
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Jennifer Fearing, State Director for HSUS another sponsor of AB711, continues to blame lead ammo on condor problem. scientific testing has shown that the current ban on lead ammunition has not resulted in significantly lowering the blood lead levels in condors. in fact, one major scientific study challenges the validity of prior research and whether hunters’ lead ammunition is really the problem!

supporters of the lead ban are completely ignoring the possibility of another source of lead, even though it was once found that the stillborn calves put out at condor feeding stations at the time were contaminated with lead and were, in fact, the real culprit!

www. Huntfortruth.org
When California enacted a limited lead ammunition ban in 2008, some members of the Condor recovery community were skeptical about the implementation of an anti-lead regulation.  Chris Parish, head of The Peregrine Fund’s condor recovery operation in Arizona, said the following: “You’ll find that the people behind the ban were not the ones doing the work on the ground actually talking to and working with hunters. Many who have advocated for a ban could care less about your and my ability to hunt.”    
Perhaps those who actually work with Condors know something the outside advocacy groups either do not know or are unwilling to admit: hunting benefits condor recovery.  Without hunters, millions of wildlife preservation and enhancement funds would disappear; hunters pay license fees and a very large (10% or more) tax on firearms and ammunition.   Those funds, which total hundreds of millions of dollars each year, are one of the key funding sources for programs like, and including, the California Condor Recovery Program.  Without these funds,  the tenuous progress of Condor recovery might be lost. 
 
 AB711 relates to politics not science or condors.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Judd Hanna continues to advocate for animal rights activist.  This year on AB711 as he did last year on SB1221. Let his record speak for him. I don’t consider him a sportsman.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dailybulletin.com/20120306/critics-of-move-to-oust-fish-and-game-commissioner-did-same-five-years-ago" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.dailybulletin.com/20120306/critics-of-move-to-oust-fish-and-game-commissioner-did-same-five-years-ago</a><br />
&#8220;Mr. Hanna&#8217;s behavior has raised serious questions about his suitability to hold this position,&#8221; the letter said, adding: &#8220;He has become an outspoken advocate seeking to achieve his own personal objectives by influencing the commission&#8217;s actions.&#8221; ….<br />
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Mike Sutton is the Executive Director, Audubon California. Audubon is one of the sponsors of AB711.<br />
Let his record speak for him. I don’t consider him a sportsman either.<br />
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Jennifer Fearing, State Director for HSUS another sponsor of AB711, continues to blame lead ammo on condor problem. scientific testing has shown that the current ban on lead ammunition has not resulted in significantly lowering the blood lead levels in condors. in fact, one major scientific study challenges the validity of prior research and whether hunters’ lead ammunition is really the problem!</p>
<p>supporters of the lead ban are completely ignoring the possibility of another source of lead, even though it was once found that the stillborn calves put out at condor feeding stations at the time were contaminated with lead and were, in fact, the real culprit!</p>
<p>www. Huntfortruth.org<br />
When California enacted a limited lead ammunition ban in 2008, some members of the Condor recovery community were skeptical about the implementation of an anti-lead regulation.  Chris Parish, head of The Peregrine Fund’s condor recovery operation in Arizona, said the following: “You’ll find that the people behind the ban were not the ones doing the work on the ground actually talking to and working with hunters. Many who have advocated for a ban could care less about your and my ability to hunt.”<br />
Perhaps those who actually work with Condors know something the outside advocacy groups either do not know or are unwilling to admit: hunting benefits condor recovery.  Without hunters, millions of wildlife preservation and enhancement funds would disappear; hunters pay license fees and a very large (10% or more) tax on firearms and ammunition.   Those funds, which total hundreds of millions of dollars each year, are one of the key funding sources for programs like, and including, the California Condor Recovery Program.  Without these funds,  the tenuous progress of Condor recovery might be lost. </p>
<p> AB711 relates to politics not science or condors.</p>
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