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		By: Ted Steele, CEO		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2013/10/17/when-obamacare-fails-whats-next/#comment-43107</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ted Steele, CEO]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Oct 2013 04:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Obama Care will not fail----  but the republi talking heads will pronounce it failed----anyway----zzzzzzzzzzzzzz


more dull-normal baggism.......plaese see the DADA Movement and how THAT ended!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama Care will not fail&#8212;-  but the republi talking heads will pronounce it failed&#8212;-anyway&#8212;-zzzzzzzzzzzzzz</p>
<p>more dull-normal baggism&#8230;&#8230;.plaese see the DADA Movement and how THAT ended!</p>
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		By: Ulysses Uhaul		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2013/10/17/when-obamacare-fails-whats-next/#comment-42927</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ulysses Uhaul]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Oct 2013 03:12:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Now now now.   Nice discourse.  Obamacare is part of  the socialist playbook......tried before frequently.

In capitalism if demand high.....more is made of a good or service till  price
or quality or deterioration/diminishing returns ruin the good days.

In Obamacare your limited on doctors and hospitals and most likely timeliness, procedures, drugs, length of stay while demand is off the charts.  So....only inflation....price... 
quality.....deductibles....rationing.....death panels.....delays.....unchallenged screw ups.....rule the day and bring supply and demand into chaotic balance.

Any rational thinking citizen knows &quot;these truths are self evident&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now now now.   Nice discourse.  Obamacare is part of  the socialist playbook&#8230;&#8230;tried before frequently.</p>
<p>In capitalism if demand high&#8230;..more is made of a good or service till  price<br />
or quality or deterioration/diminishing returns ruin the good days.</p>
<p>In Obamacare your limited on doctors and hospitals and most likely timeliness, procedures, drugs, length of stay while demand is off the charts.  So&#8230;.only inflation&#8230;.price&#8230;<br />
quality&#8230;..deductibles&#8230;.rationing&#8230;..death panels&#8230;..delays&#8230;..unchallenged screw ups&#8230;..rule the day and bring supply and demand into chaotic balance.</p>
<p>Any rational thinking citizen knows &#8220;these truths are self evident&#8221;.</p>
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		By: Let It Collapse		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2013/10/17/when-obamacare-fails-whats-next/#comment-42878</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Let It Collapse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Oct 2013 18:34:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Lies?

You mean like when Obama told us over and over again when he was selling ObamaCare to the public in 2008/09 that if we made less than $250k a year that ObamaCare would not cost us an extra dime, that we could keep our own doctors and that we would get the same health care plan that congress has? You mean those lies?

Or when he told us in 2008 that there would be no individual insurance mandates? You mean that lie?

Or when he told us that ObamaCare was not a tax on the George Stepanopolous Sunday news show 2 weeks before ObamaCare was approved by congress - and then shortly thereafter ordered his legal staff to argue before the Supreme Court that the individual insurance mandate was constitutional because it was, in fact, a tax? You mean that lie?

Or how about telling us that the corporate mandate would get implemented simultaneously with the individual insurance mandate so that corporations would have to insure all employees, then reneging on that promise by delaying the corporate mandate for a whole year while ordering the individual mandate to operate on schedule? You mean that lie? 

Or what about giving congress and their staffs an exemption from the ObamaCare exchange mandates (and saving them out-of-pocket expenses) that the rest of the nation is forced to follow and incur? 

ObamaCare was designed to fail. It will cost America&#039;s producers more and provide fewer health care benefits. And it will take a virtual police state to enforce the mandates against the &#039;little guy&#039;. 16,000 new IRS agents. 

The government has to spend roughly another $200M to fix the computer problems experienced during the rollout. 

Watch the overcosts mount just to administer the program. It will run tens of billions more than the original estimates. 

A trainwreck in motion. A disaster.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lies?</p>
<p>You mean like when Obama told us over and over again when he was selling ObamaCare to the public in 2008/09 that if we made less than $250k a year that ObamaCare would not cost us an extra dime, that we could keep our own doctors and that we would get the same health care plan that congress has? You mean those lies?</p>
<p>Or when he told us in 2008 that there would be no individual insurance mandates? You mean that lie?</p>
<p>Or when he told us that ObamaCare was not a tax on the George Stepanopolous Sunday news show 2 weeks before ObamaCare was approved by congress &#8211; and then shortly thereafter ordered his legal staff to argue before the Supreme Court that the individual insurance mandate was constitutional because it was, in fact, a tax? You mean that lie?</p>
<p>Or how about telling us that the corporate mandate would get implemented simultaneously with the individual insurance mandate so that corporations would have to insure all employees, then reneging on that promise by delaying the corporate mandate for a whole year while ordering the individual mandate to operate on schedule? You mean that lie? </p>
<p>Or what about giving congress and their staffs an exemption from the ObamaCare exchange mandates (and saving them out-of-pocket expenses) that the rest of the nation is forced to follow and incur? </p>
<p>ObamaCare was designed to fail. It will cost America&#8217;s producers more and provide fewer health care benefits. And it will take a virtual police state to enforce the mandates against the &#8216;little guy&#8217;. 16,000 new IRS agents. </p>
<p>The government has to spend roughly another $200M to fix the computer problems experienced during the rollout. </p>
<p>Watch the overcosts mount just to administer the program. It will run tens of billions more than the original estimates. </p>
<p>A trainwreck in motion. A disaster.</p>
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		By: John Seiler		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2013/10/17/when-obamacare-fails-whats-next/#comment-42857</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Seiler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Oct 2013 14:52:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://calwatchdog.com/2013/10/17/when-obamacare-fails-whats-next/#comment-42772&quot;&gt;Steve Mehlman&lt;/a&gt;.

Steve: We don&#039;t have a &quot;private health care system&quot; in America and haven&#039;t since Medicare and Medicaid beginning in 1965 under LBJ and HMOs beginning in the early 1970s under Nixon effectively took over about 80% of the system. I currently am being forced into some version of Obamacare, which I will find out in the coming weeks, which certainly is not &quot;private health care.&quot; The problem is third-party health care through insurance companies and HMOs, both highly regulated by governments, or by the government itself. The third parties then negotiate prices, including that $800 IV bag. The patient has no say.

If Americans want &quot;private health care,&quot; they have to go to Switzerland, Singapore or some other free country.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://calwatchdog.com/2013/10/17/when-obamacare-fails-whats-next/#comment-42772">Steve Mehlman</a>.</p>
<p>Steve: We don&#8217;t have a &#8220;private health care system&#8221; in America and haven&#8217;t since Medicare and Medicaid beginning in 1965 under LBJ and HMOs beginning in the early 1970s under Nixon effectively took over about 80% of the system. I currently am being forced into some version of Obamacare, which I will find out in the coming weeks, which certainly is not &#8220;private health care.&#8221; The problem is third-party health care through insurance companies and HMOs, both highly regulated by governments, or by the government itself. The third parties then negotiate prices, including that $800 IV bag. The patient has no say.</p>
<p>If Americans want &#8220;private health care,&#8221; they have to go to Switzerland, Singapore or some other free country.</p>
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		By: Ted Steele, CEO		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Oct 2013 14:12:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well said Steve--- Most of Obamacare is working well and states like NY are proving that even the difficult parts can work! The doomers are abounding!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said Steve&#8212; Most of Obamacare is working well and states like NY are proving that even the difficult parts can work! The doomers are abounding!</p>
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		By: Steve Mehlman		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2013/10/17/when-obamacare-fails-whats-next/#comment-42774</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve Mehlman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Oct 2013 01:53:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[And Billy a, you had no problem saying that Obamacare was a failure and would destroy America for five years, long before it even took affect.  And now you bitch because I say that it will ultimately succeed.  SMH.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And Billy a, you had no problem saying that Obamacare was a failure and would destroy America for five years, long before it even took affect.  And now you bitch because I say that it will ultimately succeed.  SMH.</p>
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		By: Steve Mehlman		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2013/10/17/when-obamacare-fails-whats-next/#comment-42772</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve Mehlman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Oct 2013 01:51:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[My Nazi analogy just spoke of people repeating lies over and over again; like the Republicans have done for five years. I  said nothing about the German health care system.  Your spin doesn&#039;t work, John.

And speaking of your beloved private health care system,  I learned recently that hospitals charge up to $800 for an IV bag of sterile saltwater.  The manufacturers cost for that bag is about $1.  Sorry that you support that kind of thing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My Nazi analogy just spoke of people repeating lies over and over again; like the Republicans have done for five years. I  said nothing about the German health care system.  Your spin doesn&#8217;t work, John.</p>
<p>And speaking of your beloved private health care system,  I learned recently that hospitals charge up to $800 for an IV bag of sterile saltwater.  The manufacturers cost for that bag is about $1.  Sorry that you support that kind of thing.</p>
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		By: SkippingDog		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2013/10/17/when-obamacare-fails-whats-next/#comment-42758</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SkippingDog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Oct 2013 00:52:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If the ACA fails for some reason, the follow-on will be universal Medicare.  That&#039;s not a bad choice either.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the ACA fails for some reason, the follow-on will be universal Medicare.  That&#8217;s not a bad choice either.</p>
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		By: Let It Collapse		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Let It Collapse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Oct 2013 21:59:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The principal carrot used to sell ObamaCare from the start was that it would lessen the costs for the majority of people. That turned out to be a flat-out lie, at least for the productive working class who pay the taxes that fund the government. 

Why do you think the IT system crashed after people inputted their personal information on their computer to find out how much the ObamaCare plans would cost them? Their personal date was collected and stored. But when they wanted a cost estimate it crashed. So now the government has their personal information to track them down in the event that they don&#039;t agree with the price and opt not to purchase an insurance policy. 

But as with virtually everything else the government does, it can intentionally lie and deceive you because there is never any penalty or punishment assessed against any government official or branch of government if it lies and screws you. They can lie with immunity.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The principal carrot used to sell ObamaCare from the start was that it would lessen the costs for the majority of people. That turned out to be a flat-out lie, at least for the productive working class who pay the taxes that fund the government. </p>
<p>Why do you think the IT system crashed after people inputted their personal information on their computer to find out how much the ObamaCare plans would cost them? Their personal date was collected and stored. But when they wanted a cost estimate it crashed. So now the government has their personal information to track them down in the event that they don&#8217;t agree with the price and opt not to purchase an insurance policy. </p>
<p>But as with virtually everything else the government does, it can intentionally lie and deceive you because there is never any penalty or punishment assessed against any government official or branch of government if it lies and screws you. They can lie with immunity.</p>
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		By: John Seiler		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2013/10/17/when-obamacare-fails-whats-next/#comment-42689</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Seiler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Oct 2013 17:51:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://calwatchdog.com/2013/10/17/when-obamacare-fails-whats-next/#comment-42679&quot;&gt;Steve Mehlman&lt;/a&gt;.

This Third Reich-sounding phrase is from the Obamacare Website: &quot;At any time, and for any lawful Government purpose, the government may monitor, intercept and search and seize any communication or data transiting or stored on this information system.&quot;
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obamacare-website-source-code-no-reasonable-expectation-privacy_762489.html]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://calwatchdog.com/2013/10/17/when-obamacare-fails-whats-next/#comment-42679">Steve Mehlman</a>.</p>
<p>This Third Reich-sounding phrase is from the Obamacare Website: &#8220;At any time, and for any lawful Government purpose, the government may monitor, intercept and search and seize any communication or data transiting or stored on this information system.&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obamacare-website-source-code-no-reasonable-expectation-privacy_762489.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obamacare-website-source-code-no-reasonable-expectation-privacy_762489.html</a></p>
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