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		By: Mitchell Young		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mitchell Young]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jan 2014 00:10:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://calwatchdog.com/2013/11/07/ca-suffers-highest-percentage-of-poor/#comment-44896&quot;&gt;bob&lt;/a&gt;.

The 8.5 percent sales tax starts at $1]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://calwatchdog.com/2013/11/07/ca-suffers-highest-percentage-of-poor/#comment-44896">bob</a>.</p>
<p>The 8.5 percent sales tax starts at $1</p>
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		By: Mitchell Young		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2013/11/07/ca-suffers-highest-percentage-of-poor/#comment-46607</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mitchell Young]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Nov 2013 22:03:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[We don’t we, as a nation, stop allowing the poor and unskilled, or even the skilled, settle in their hundreds of thousands each year?  It is quite clear that we were doing fine with low immigration -- Apple was founded 2-3 years after the US hit a low in foreign born population.

It is strange that immigration reduction -- that is of legal immigration, as well as enforcement of our laws -- never seems to make the policy mix.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We don’t we, as a nation, stop allowing the poor and unskilled, or even the skilled, settle in their hundreds of thousands each year?  It is quite clear that we were doing fine with low immigration &#8212; Apple was founded 2-3 years after the US hit a low in foreign born population.</p>
<p>It is strange that immigration reduction &#8212; that is of legal immigration, as well as enforcement of our laws &#8212; never seems to make the policy mix.</p>
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		By: John Seiler		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Seiler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Nov 2013 03:23:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://calwatchdog.com/2013/11/07/ca-suffers-highest-percentage-of-poor/#comment-45176&quot;&gt;californianative&lt;/a&gt;.

I can&#039;t remember. But I only cut things for a good reason.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://calwatchdog.com/2013/11/07/ca-suffers-highest-percentage-of-poor/#comment-45176">californianative</a>.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t remember. But I only cut things for a good reason.</p>
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		By: californianative		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Nov 2013 01:15:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Why did you cut my post?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why did you cut my post?</p>
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		By: LetItCollapse		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2013/11/07/ca-suffers-highest-percentage-of-poor/#comment-45151</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LetItCollapse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Nov 2013 19:33:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Queeg, there are 2 problems I see with your comment. 

First, CA K-12 teachers are amongst the highest paid in the nation. In the top 5 for sure. The CA taxpayers already spend over 40% of the state budget on K-12. Maybe if the teachers took a cut in pay and in their pension benefits there would be more funds to actually spend on the students instead of on the teachers. 

Most real jobs pay based on performance. Real businesses give out raises and bonuses based on individual and company performance. CA K-12 teachers are amongst the highest paid yet rank amongst the lowest in what they get paid for: achieving strong student academic performance. The latest national standardized testing placed CA at the bottom of the pile again - with rankings in the high 40&#039;s in reading and math. Yet North Dakota, which is ranked 2nd to the last in teacher pay, ranked in the top 10 in both.

So top pay does not = satisfactory performance in government work. 

Next, CA K-12 enrolls about 1.3M ELS students. That number is nearly equal to the ELS enrollments in the next 4 most populus states: TX, NY, FL, IL. When an educational system does not have a basic primary language to work from it results in higher expenditures and lower performance. And you get less for more. That&#039;s just pure common sense. 

And then when your legislature and governor rewards (and attracts more) foreign lawbreakers by giving them incentives (CA driver&#039;s licenses and the &quot;Trust Act&quot;) to come and stay it only adds to an already enormous problem. 

Oh, and over 50% of the CA K-12 enrollment are from low-income familes. Another fact. So do we need to attract even more indigents to our state? The more indigents you attract (and the problems that go along with indigent populations) the fewer educated and skilled populations that you attract - since nobody wants to live in a place where you have to pay more in taxes to take care of the indigents or live in the blight or higher crime environment that go hand in hand with increased poverty.

One basic responsibility we should learn as children is taking care of ourselves. For example; to clothe ourselves appropriately before going outside or to school, to go potty in the toilet instead of next to a tree, to clean ourselves to promote good health and discourage body odors, to brush our teeth so that they don&#039;t decay and rot. I think one other basic responsibility that should be learned by children (and their parents) is to prepare their own food so that they can function during the day. Being dependent on others to do this for you on a daily basis only teaches you that the nanny state will take care of your basic needs. This damages the basic drive to become self-sufficient. It hurts the individual. It hurts society. 

The low income familes already collect food stamps to feed their members. A couple pieces of bread with mayo, mustard, tomato, lettuce and ham, an apple, a couple cookies and a pint of juice costs maybe $1.50 at most. Well within the food budget of a family collecting food stamps. 

The food service in the schools was only implemented to create more unions jobs and a bigger nanny state.

From personal experience, I know that cafeteria style meals for K-12 is not necessary to perform adequately or to even thrive in a K-12 school setting. I know many who brown bagged it who became engineers, medical doctors, attorneys and accountants. 

Most importantly and to the point, I feel these school cafeterias detract from personal responsibility.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Queeg, there are 2 problems I see with your comment. </p>
<p>First, CA K-12 teachers are amongst the highest paid in the nation. In the top 5 for sure. The CA taxpayers already spend over 40% of the state budget on K-12. Maybe if the teachers took a cut in pay and in their pension benefits there would be more funds to actually spend on the students instead of on the teachers. </p>
<p>Most real jobs pay based on performance. Real businesses give out raises and bonuses based on individual and company performance. CA K-12 teachers are amongst the highest paid yet rank amongst the lowest in what they get paid for: achieving strong student academic performance. The latest national standardized testing placed CA at the bottom of the pile again &#8211; with rankings in the high 40&#8217;s in reading and math. Yet North Dakota, which is ranked 2nd to the last in teacher pay, ranked in the top 10 in both.</p>
<p>So top pay does not = satisfactory performance in government work. </p>
<p>Next, CA K-12 enrolls about 1.3M ELS students. That number is nearly equal to the ELS enrollments in the next 4 most populus states: TX, NY, FL, IL. When an educational system does not have a basic primary language to work from it results in higher expenditures and lower performance. And you get less for more. That&#8217;s just pure common sense. </p>
<p>And then when your legislature and governor rewards (and attracts more) foreign lawbreakers by giving them incentives (CA driver&#8217;s licenses and the &#8220;Trust Act&#8221;) to come and stay it only adds to an already enormous problem. </p>
<p>Oh, and over 50% of the CA K-12 enrollment are from low-income familes. Another fact. So do we need to attract even more indigents to our state? The more indigents you attract (and the problems that go along with indigent populations) the fewer educated and skilled populations that you attract &#8211; since nobody wants to live in a place where you have to pay more in taxes to take care of the indigents or live in the blight or higher crime environment that go hand in hand with increased poverty.</p>
<p>One basic responsibility we should learn as children is taking care of ourselves. For example; to clothe ourselves appropriately before going outside or to school, to go potty in the toilet instead of next to a tree, to clean ourselves to promote good health and discourage body odors, to brush our teeth so that they don&#8217;t decay and rot. I think one other basic responsibility that should be learned by children (and their parents) is to prepare their own food so that they can function during the day. Being dependent on others to do this for you on a daily basis only teaches you that the nanny state will take care of your basic needs. This damages the basic drive to become self-sufficient. It hurts the individual. It hurts society. </p>
<p>The low income familes already collect food stamps to feed their members. A couple pieces of bread with mayo, mustard, tomato, lettuce and ham, an apple, a couple cookies and a pint of juice costs maybe $1.50 at most. Well within the food budget of a family collecting food stamps. </p>
<p>The food service in the schools was only implemented to create more unions jobs and a bigger nanny state.</p>
<p>From personal experience, I know that cafeteria style meals for K-12 is not necessary to perform adequately or to even thrive in a K-12 school setting. I know many who brown bagged it who became engineers, medical doctors, attorneys and accountants. </p>
<p>Most importantly and to the point, I feel these school cafeterias detract from personal responsibility.</p>
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		By: Queeg		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2013/11/07/ca-suffers-highest-percentage-of-poor/#comment-45072</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Queeg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Nov 2013 17:37:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Collapse.... So sorry you appear to have suffered as a young chap.....so unnecessary today.....why not roll over and assist the educators to implement policies to improve the lives of immigrants and the lower middle class....the teachers need the funds to make many lives meaningful and fulfilled.....invest now for a better California for all....

P.S. I went to an unaccredited high school in a gritty, immigrant laden steel town in Penna. 6% went to college. Guess our brown bags were not nutritious enough!

Fair and Balanced!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Collapse&#8230;. So sorry you appear to have suffered as a young chap&#8230;..so unnecessary today&#8230;..why not roll over and assist the educators to implement policies to improve the lives of immigrants and the lower middle class&#8230;.the teachers need the funds to make many lives meaningful and fulfilled&#8230;..invest now for a better California for all&#8230;.</p>
<p>P.S. I went to an unaccredited high school in a gritty, immigrant laden steel town in Penna. 6% went to college. Guess our brown bags were not nutritious enough!</p>
<p>Fair and Balanced!</p>
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		By: LetItCollapse		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2013/11/07/ca-suffers-highest-percentage-of-poor/#comment-44998</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LetItCollapse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Nov 2013 00:57:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Californianative, one of the smartest decisions you probably ever made was removing your kids from CA when they were toddlers. My compliments. Moving a family is never easy for a parent. No doubt you are a wonderful mom or dad. 

I just read the results of the latest 2013 national standardized math and reading tests for 4th and 8th graders in CA public schools.

4th graders scored 47th in the country for both reading and math.

8th graders scored 45th in math and 42nd in reading. 

So pathetic.

I thought giving them free breakfast, lunch and sometimes dinner at CA public schools was supposed to make them smarter. 

We (me and my classmates) brown bagged it for 12 years. It taught me self-reliance. If I didn&#039;t pack a lunch I&#039;d do hungry unless I could convince a  buddy to give me half his sandwich. 85% of the our class eventually graduated from a 4-year college. 

Congratulations on your successful family.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Californianative, one of the smartest decisions you probably ever made was removing your kids from CA when they were toddlers. My compliments. Moving a family is never easy for a parent. No doubt you are a wonderful mom or dad. </p>
<p>I just read the results of the latest 2013 national standardized math and reading tests for 4th and 8th graders in CA public schools.</p>
<p>4th graders scored 47th in the country for both reading and math.</p>
<p>8th graders scored 45th in math and 42nd in reading. </p>
<p>So pathetic.</p>
<p>I thought giving them free breakfast, lunch and sometimes dinner at CA public schools was supposed to make them smarter. </p>
<p>We (me and my classmates) brown bagged it for 12 years. It taught me self-reliance. If I didn&#8217;t pack a lunch I&#8217;d do hungry unless I could convince a  buddy to give me half his sandwich. 85% of the our class eventually graduated from a 4-year college. </p>
<p>Congratulations on your successful family.</p>
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		By: californianative		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2013/11/07/ca-suffers-highest-percentage-of-poor/#comment-44988</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[californianative]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Nov 2013 23:29:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Moving my mother and her assets out of California next month. Only one of her 4 California born children still living in state. Thank God I left when my children were still young. They all went to good public schools back east, one will finish up college next year, the others are all done with college and are  productive tax paying citizens in their adopted state. I love California with all my heart, it is sad to see it become yet another 3rd world Banana Republic. Rich and Poor.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moving my mother and her assets out of California next month. Only one of her 4 California born children still living in state. Thank God I left when my children were still young. They all went to good public schools back east, one will finish up college next year, the others are all done with college and are  productive tax paying citizens in their adopted state. I love California with all my heart, it is sad to see it become yet another 3rd world Banana Republic. Rich and Poor.</p>
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		By: jimmydeeoc		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2013/11/07/ca-suffers-highest-percentage-of-poor/#comment-44978</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jimmydeeoc]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Nov 2013 21:48:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[BTW....you guys know your clock is still on Daylight Saving?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW&#8230;.you guys know your clock is still on Daylight Saving?</p>
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		By: jimmydeeoc		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Nov 2013 21:45:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Queeg....your intransigence at letting even a pebble of unbiased and objective data sully your rose-colored view of the Pyrite State is wearing on us....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Queeg&#8230;.your intransigence at letting even a pebble of unbiased and objective data sully your rose-colored view of the Pyrite State is wearing on us&#8230;.</p>
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