Comments on: Tax ’em if you got ’em

By: Uma

Uma — Mon, 09 Dec 2013 05:31:24 +0000

Raising taxes will hurt families as well. Aren’t the children who are caught up in the financial political nonsense hurt enough already? A smoker quits when the timing, gumption, help and stress are right. Forcing them to quit is counterintuitive to this. Force breeds rebellion & stress. Smokers stay home, don’t patronize their local towns.
Even the Vapers have been fighting hard. The Groups who earn a yearly salary from the court ordered TSET are spending money left and right to ban the safer alternatives to smoking. Even the 99% safer alternatives! such as Swedish Snus and eCigs. They should be spending this on education, not bribes and propaganda. Who profits from TSET? ACA, ALA, CDC, you name it, they’re all in there. Big Pharma has their greedy hands in the pie too, ie.. Smoking cessation products, diet pills, etc… To learn more, just go to changelabsolutions, who advises towns how to ban eCigs, sugar, etc.. See who funds CLS! That’s right, many of the big Pharma fronts. Robert wood Foundation aka Johnson & Johnson aka Pfizer aka Chantix, gum, patch whatever… A BILLION dollar industry just in smoking cessation products alone. Products with only about 10% success rate vs the eCigs & Snus with 75-90% success rate. (Beware of propaganda data twisters. The CDC has been called out by scientists & doctors alike for the way they (CDC) are deceiving the public).
TSET and all who benefit from TSET are bribing towns to ban cigs and now eCigs. Big Pharma is lobbying to ban due to lost revenue. States lobby to ban safer alternatives due to lost smoke tax, plus to justify smoke tax on eCigs after they demonize them enough. Cities lobby to ban, for Grant money from TSET & RWF. It’s a vicious, filthy circle of corruption. It sounds made up, crazy, lunacy, but it’s all true.
Raising the taxes on smokes, when smokers are switching to eCigs by the thousands, is setting it up for taxing the eCigs, a non smoke, non CARCENOGENS, non toxic, far less dangerous safer alternative, just like they tax cigarettes.

July 2013 states refused to set age restrictions on eCigs, for fear of loosing the “for the kids” excessive taxing of. They called the age restriction bill a Trojan Horse. http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2013/07/22/e-cigarette-bill-called-trojan-horse.html
September 2013. AG’s write letter to FDA urging prompt regulating, “for the kids”.
http://www.naag.org/assets/files/pdf/E%20Cigarette%20Final%20Letter%20(5)(1).pdf

Drexel study proved they are safe for user and bystander http://publichealth.drexel.edu/~/media/Files/publichealth/ms08.pdf
IVAQS proved they are safe indoors http://www.ivaqs.com
UTAH CLEARSTREAM AIR proved they are safe for environment http://www.utahvapers.com/clearstream.html
The FULL Lancet study proves the CDC lied, proves eCigs are an EXIT from smokes. Yet the CDC continues to laugh & lie. The Lancet team has since posted this essay http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3850892/#!po=12.0690
And there’s more. Tons more!

This, my friend, is why they want to raise the cig taxes so high. Those who can’t quit, switch. This drives them into a crazy panic for their yearly salaries.

By: Queeg

Queeg — Wed, 04 Dec 2013 17:50:59 +0000

Had a distant cousin doomer, proud, 60 year professional, “local” peach, strawberry, mash fermenter in Appalachia with two daughters with Masters degrees and the family never took a buck from the government.

He staunchly believed in “trickle down economics” . He was a jolly bib overall wearin patriot….always had the biggest, heavily chromed, white side walled, shiniest Buick in the county!

By: Bobnormal

Bobnormal — Wed, 04 Dec 2013 13:53:50 +0000

John your credibility is shot when the first thing you say is”wacky tabacky”, you sound like an ignorant Pol, and I don’t think you are, from all of your writing.
So, you realize that all us Baby Boomers buy our Marijuana at dispensaries, right? no black market, I smoke little cigars at 1.40$ per pack, many people are using ecigs.
They can try to tax us, but the market, black or White, will prevail, as California slips beneath the waves, R.I.P. Cali,
Bob

By: LetitCollapse

LetitCollapse — Wed, 04 Dec 2013 03:06:08 +0000

To me it’s obvious what they’re doing. The plan is to price as many people out of the cig market as possible. And when they’ve hit their target to minimize pushback from the masses – drop the hammer and make tobacco an illegal controlled substance. Then the mexicans mules will fill the side panels of their cars with tobacco and bring it across the border. Dope dogs will be trained on tobacco. And the police state will have a new revenue source. Watch. That’s exactly where they’re moving with this. They just can’t do it today because too many people still smoke.

I don’t smoke. But I champion the the right to smoke for those who choose to do so. But I think they should pay a premium price for healthcare insurance too. I support their habit in spirit, but I don’t want to help them pay for the consequences. They should independently own that and not push their related costs off on me. What’s fair is fair.

I did a little research. A survey showed that a 20 pack of cigs in CA costs about $6.77 a pack. Ranked #20 in the nation. You know how much a pack costs in NY? You sittin’ down? $14.50. lol. No wonder smuggling has become a business there. NYC took away their big gulps too. No idea why people consent to this fascism. But it just goes to show the level of what people will tolerate and what the gov can get away with. No wonder they can listen to our phone calls and read our emails without our consent then lie about it under sworn oath to congress with immunity with relatively little adverse reaction from the peasants. They know that they can do it and get away with it. You let them. lol. If some guy walked into your house and stole your big screen right in front of your eyes – and you did nothing about it, he’d be back next week for your living room furniture and jewelry. lol. What do you expect? lol.

But eventually they will criminalize tobacco and they will do it “for the children” and for your “safety”. Just like they forbid residents in the State of Maine by law to buy American-manufactured pharmaceuticals from Canada at a 40%-80% discount. For their “safety”. lol.

Are you waking up yet??? lol.