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		By: S Moderation Douglas		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[S Moderation Douglas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Dec 2013 23:41:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://calwatchdog.com/2013/12/06/ugly-dust-up-over-gop-assembly-health-care-site/#comment-48282&quot;&gt;LetitCollapse&lt;/a&gt;.

Well, for one thing, he&#039;s a doctor (semi-retired). And MY barber agrees with him, for what that&#039;s worth. 

And there is not really a lot of facts and evidence out there. Just talking points and propaganda.  On both sides. 

One more time: 

extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. 

The head of CMA did not claim OR verify that 70% of doctors would boycott Covered California. He only said &quot;it doesn&#039;t surprise me...&quot;

The ESTIMATE appears to come from &quot;Independent insurance brokers who work with both insurance companies and doctor networks &quot;

No names? No details? No substantiation?

And what exactly does &quot;boycotting the exchange&quot; mean?

Kaiser Permanente sells insurance on the exchange, and has about 17,000 physicians. Are 70% of them &quot;boycotting the exchange&quot;?

Or are the &quot;insurance brokers&quot; just &quot;estimating&quot; the doctors in private practices?

Are these doctors shunning the exchanges totally, or just not taking Medicaid or Medicare patients? How exactly do you &quot;boycott&quot; anyway. 

Details, please, and substantiation. 

I realize a lot of doctors are not pleased with the whole concept, but NO ONE is really sure how this will play out over the next few years. 

There are a glut of anecdotal stories on both sides. 

Still skeptical. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://calwatchdog.com/2013/12/06/ugly-dust-up-over-gop-assembly-health-care-site/#comment-48282">LetitCollapse</a>.</p>
<p>Well, for one thing, he&#8217;s a doctor (semi-retired). And MY barber agrees with him, for what that&#8217;s worth. </p>
<p>And there is not really a lot of facts and evidence out there. Just talking points and propaganda.  On both sides. </p>
<p>One more time: </p>
<p>extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. </p>
<p>The head of CMA did not claim OR verify that 70% of doctors would boycott Covered California. He only said &#8220;it doesn&#8217;t surprise me&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>The ESTIMATE appears to come from &#8220;Independent insurance brokers who work with both insurance companies and doctor networks &#8221;</p>
<p>No names? No details? No substantiation?</p>
<p>And what exactly does &#8220;boycotting the exchange&#8221; mean?</p>
<p>Kaiser Permanente sells insurance on the exchange, and has about 17,000 physicians. Are 70% of them &#8220;boycotting the exchange&#8221;?</p>
<p>Or are the &#8220;insurance brokers&#8221; just &#8220;estimating&#8221; the doctors in private practices?</p>
<p>Are these doctors shunning the exchanges totally, or just not taking Medicaid or Medicare patients? How exactly do you &#8220;boycott&#8221; anyway. </p>
<p>Details, please, and substantiation. </p>
<p>I realize a lot of doctors are not pleased with the whole concept, but NO ONE is really sure how this will play out over the next few years. </p>
<p>There are a glut of anecdotal stories on both sides. </p>
<p>Still skeptical. </p>
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		By: LetitCollapse		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2013/12/06/ugly-dust-up-over-gop-assembly-health-care-site/#comment-48282</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LetitCollapse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Dec 2013 20:39:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://calwatchdog.com/2013/12/06/ugly-dust-up-over-gop-assembly-health-care-site/#comment-48268&quot;&gt;S Moderation Douglas&lt;/a&gt;.

And what makes an editorialist&#039;s viewpoint any more credible or valid than my barber&#039;s, my butcher&#039;s or that of the panhandler that I donated a dollar to the other day? Because he works for a newpaper I&#039;m supposed to give him an upgrade in consideration? lol. 

I look at the facts. The evidence. Not talking points of what coulda, woulda or shoulda happened - or what WILL happen. And the facts clearly point to ObamaCare as a trainwreck in motion. 

Anytime lawmakers have to lie to pass a mandatory law that impacts ALL American&#039;s lives in such a comprehensive way that can&#039;t get rescinded once those lies get exposed - watch out.

When lying to the people is an acceptable way to get laws enacted we are no longer a lawful or a civilized society.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://calwatchdog.com/2013/12/06/ugly-dust-up-over-gop-assembly-health-care-site/#comment-48268">S Moderation Douglas</a>.</p>
<p>And what makes an editorialist&#8217;s viewpoint any more credible or valid than my barber&#8217;s, my butcher&#8217;s or that of the panhandler that I donated a dollar to the other day? Because he works for a newpaper I&#8217;m supposed to give him an upgrade in consideration? lol. </p>
<p>I look at the facts. The evidence. Not talking points of what coulda, woulda or shoulda happened &#8211; or what WILL happen. And the facts clearly point to ObamaCare as a trainwreck in motion. </p>
<p>Anytime lawmakers have to lie to pass a mandatory law that impacts ALL American&#8217;s lives in such a comprehensive way that can&#8217;t get rescinded once those lies get exposed &#8211; watch out.</p>
<p>When lying to the people is an acceptable way to get laws enacted we are no longer a lawful or a civilized society.</p>
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		By: S Moderation Douglas		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2013/12/06/ugly-dust-up-over-gop-assembly-health-care-site/#comment-48268</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[S Moderation Douglas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Dec 2013 18:19:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It &quot;won&#039;t work&quot;, until it does.

http://www.modbee.com/2013/11/30/3059357/cv-allen-obamacare-wont-work-until.html]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It &#8220;won&#8217;t work&#8221;, until it does.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.modbee.com/2013/11/30/3059357/cv-allen-obamacare-wont-work-until.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.modbee.com/2013/11/30/3059357/cv-allen-obamacare-wont-work-until.html</a></p>
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		By: bob		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2013/12/06/ugly-dust-up-over-gop-assembly-health-care-site/#comment-48207</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bob]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Dec 2013 05:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://calwatchdog.com/2013/12/06/ugly-dust-up-over-gop-assembly-health-care-site/#comment-48087&quot;&gt;Katy Grimes&lt;/a&gt;.

Please read this and make everyone you know aware oof it
http://investmentwatchblog.com/obamacare-is-a-catastrophe-that-cannot-be-fixed/#OK5ELS77kHS1xa2M.99]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://calwatchdog.com/2013/12/06/ugly-dust-up-over-gop-assembly-health-care-site/#comment-48087">Katy Grimes</a>.</p>
<p>Please read this and make everyone you know aware oof it<br />
<a href="http://investmentwatchblog.com/obamacare-is-a-catastrophe-that-cannot-be-fixed/#OK5ELS77kHS1xa2M.99" rel="nofollow ugc">http://investmentwatchblog.com/obamacare-is-a-catastrophe-that-cannot-be-fixed/#OK5ELS77kHS1xa2M.99</a></p>
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		By: LetitCollapse		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2013/12/06/ugly-dust-up-over-gop-assembly-health-care-site/#comment-48200</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LetitCollapse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Dec 2013 03:26:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://calwatchdog.com/2013/12/06/ugly-dust-up-over-gop-assembly-health-care-site/#comment-48197&quot;&gt;S Moderation Douglas&lt;/a&gt;.

Why aren&#039;t you skeptical of Anthem Blue Cross, Blue Shield of Ca and Covered Ca for reportedly failing to return The Examiner&#039;s phone calls about their participating physician list for the exchange? Shouldn&#039;t health care insurance companies cooperate with the media to promote full disclosure to the public about a mandated health care system everyone is forced to join?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://calwatchdog.com/2013/12/06/ugly-dust-up-over-gop-assembly-health-care-site/#comment-48197">S Moderation Douglas</a>.</p>
<p>Why aren&#8217;t you skeptical of Anthem Blue Cross, Blue Shield of Ca and Covered Ca for reportedly failing to return The Examiner&#8217;s phone calls about their participating physician list for the exchange? Shouldn&#8217;t health care insurance companies cooperate with the media to promote full disclosure to the public about a mandated health care system everyone is forced to join?</p>
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		By: S Moderation Douglas		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2013/12/06/ugly-dust-up-over-gop-assembly-health-care-site/#comment-48197</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[S Moderation Douglas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Dec 2013 02:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://calwatchdog.com/2013/12/06/ugly-dust-up-over-gop-assembly-health-care-site/#comment-48174&quot;&gt;LetitCollapse&lt;/a&gt;.

I am saying I am skeptical. 

What I saw in the Washington Examiner were vague and unsubstantiated claims. 


Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

This looks more like fear mongering.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://calwatchdog.com/2013/12/06/ugly-dust-up-over-gop-assembly-health-care-site/#comment-48174">LetitCollapse</a>.</p>
<p>I am saying I am skeptical. </p>
<p>What I saw in the Washington Examiner were vague and unsubstantiated claims. </p>
<p>Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.</p>
<p>This looks more like fear mongering.</p>
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		By: LetitCollapse		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2013/12/06/ugly-dust-up-over-gop-assembly-health-care-site/#comment-48174</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LetitCollapse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Dec 2013 21:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://calwatchdog.com/2013/12/06/ugly-dust-up-over-gop-assembly-health-care-site/#comment-48167&quot;&gt;S Moderation Douglas&lt;/a&gt;.

So are all those CMA executives and medical group managers quoted in the article fabricating and misinforming? Are they falsely claiming that doctors from their respective associations and groups are being listed by Covered California as participating physicians when, in fact, they really aren&#039;t? Is that what you think?

And why did Anthem Blue Cross, Blue Shield of California and Covered California reportedly fail to respond to The Examiner&#039;s phone calls or provide doctor participation numbers in the exchange upon request? This is a mandated medical system that the public is forced to join. Why not be transparent with the media so that the consumer can make intelligent choices when selecting a plan?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://calwatchdog.com/2013/12/06/ugly-dust-up-over-gop-assembly-health-care-site/#comment-48167">S Moderation Douglas</a>.</p>
<p>So are all those CMA executives and medical group managers quoted in the article fabricating and misinforming? Are they falsely claiming that doctors from their respective associations and groups are being listed by Covered California as participating physicians when, in fact, they really aren&#8217;t? Is that what you think?</p>
<p>And why did Anthem Blue Cross, Blue Shield of California and Covered California reportedly fail to respond to The Examiner&#8217;s phone calls or provide doctor participation numbers in the exchange upon request? This is a mandated medical system that the public is forced to join. Why not be transparent with the media so that the consumer can make intelligent choices when selecting a plan?</p>
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		By: S Moderation Douglas		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2013/12/06/ugly-dust-up-over-gop-assembly-health-care-site/#comment-48167</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[S Moderation Douglas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Dec 2013 18:16:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://calwatchdog.com/2013/12/06/ugly-dust-up-over-gop-assembly-health-care-site/#comment-48036&quot;&gt;LetitCollapse&lt;/a&gt;.

Skepticism is called for. 

&quot;70%” of almost anything should be taken with a grain of salt. 

&quot;It&#039;s reported&quot; loosely means that dozens of mostly right wing blogs are parroting ONE article in the Washington Examiner.

Washington Examiner: (quote from Politico:   &quot;When it came to the editorial page, Anschutz’s instructions were explicit — he &#039;wanted nothing but conservative columns and conservative op-ed writers,&#039; &quot;)

The Examiner article gives no real source for the 70% figure, and doesn&#039;t even specify if the number refers to the ACA exchange in general or specifically to doctors shunning MediCal patients. Big difference. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://calwatchdog.com/2013/12/06/ugly-dust-up-over-gop-assembly-health-care-site/#comment-48036">LetitCollapse</a>.</p>
<p>Skepticism is called for. </p>
<p>&#8220;70%” of almost anything should be taken with a grain of salt. </p>
<p>&#8220;It&#8217;s reported&#8221; loosely means that dozens of mostly right wing blogs are parroting ONE article in the Washington Examiner.</p>
<p>Washington Examiner: (quote from Politico:   &#8220;When it came to the editorial page, Anschutz’s instructions were explicit — he &#8216;wanted nothing but conservative columns and conservative op-ed writers,&#8217; &#8220;)</p>
<p>The Examiner article gives no real source for the 70% figure, and doesn&#8217;t even specify if the number refers to the ACA exchange in general or specifically to doctors shunning MediCal patients. Big difference. </p>
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		By: LetitCollapse		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2013/12/06/ugly-dust-up-over-gop-assembly-health-care-site/#comment-48139</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LetitCollapse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Dec 2013 07:15:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://calwatchdog.com/2013/12/06/ugly-dust-up-over-gop-assembly-health-care-site/#comment-48088&quot;&gt;Katy Grimes&lt;/a&gt;.

Yeah, Katy. The dems are really going to be in hot water when vomiting patients with 102 degree temps call their O-Care PCP&#039;s for same day appointments and are told their offices and their backup PCP&#039;s offices are booked solid for the next 2 weeks and to go to the ER for treatment. California&#039;s legislature would turn majority republican in no time. 

I see only one of 2 ways they address the doc shortage:

1) Mandate doctors to accept Medi-Cal patients. Make the renewal of their medical licenses in California contingent on it. Hey, Obama forced us to buy insurance. Why couldn&#039;t he force doctors to treat indigent patients at break-even or negative reimbursement rates? All that&#039;s necessary is to figure out a way to equate indentured servitude with taxation under the Constitution and then get the buy-in of 5 SCOTUS justices. They did it before. They can do it again.

2) Raise the Medi-Cal reimbursement rates to acceptable levels that will actually turn a profit for the docs. Naturally, that means another big hike in insurance premiums for the paying middle class producers who are sustaining this house of cards. Of course, that will mean more job layoffs and more producers fleeing the state to safer grounds. Other people will figure out ways to extricate themselves from the system. And some producers will just throw their arms up in the air and join the indigents growing our already record breaking poverty class to new heights. 

Those are really the only 2 directions they can go that I can see. And either way it ends badly. It looks more and more like it was a designed failure from the start. A couple years ago I was skeptical those who claimed ObamaCare was just an excuse to bring a single payor system to America. But, by golly, maybe they were right afterall.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://calwatchdog.com/2013/12/06/ugly-dust-up-over-gop-assembly-health-care-site/#comment-48088">Katy Grimes</a>.</p>
<p>Yeah, Katy. The dems are really going to be in hot water when vomiting patients with 102 degree temps call their O-Care PCP&#8217;s for same day appointments and are told their offices and their backup PCP&#8217;s offices are booked solid for the next 2 weeks and to go to the ER for treatment. California&#8217;s legislature would turn majority republican in no time. </p>
<p>I see only one of 2 ways they address the doc shortage:</p>
<p>1) Mandate doctors to accept Medi-Cal patients. Make the renewal of their medical licenses in California contingent on it. Hey, Obama forced us to buy insurance. Why couldn&#8217;t he force doctors to treat indigent patients at break-even or negative reimbursement rates? All that&#8217;s necessary is to figure out a way to equate indentured servitude with taxation under the Constitution and then get the buy-in of 5 SCOTUS justices. They did it before. They can do it again.</p>
<p>2) Raise the Medi-Cal reimbursement rates to acceptable levels that will actually turn a profit for the docs. Naturally, that means another big hike in insurance premiums for the paying middle class producers who are sustaining this house of cards. Of course, that will mean more job layoffs and more producers fleeing the state to safer grounds. Other people will figure out ways to extricate themselves from the system. And some producers will just throw their arms up in the air and join the indigents growing our already record breaking poverty class to new heights. </p>
<p>Those are really the only 2 directions they can go that I can see. And either way it ends badly. It looks more and more like it was a designed failure from the start. A couple years ago I was skeptical those who claimed ObamaCare was just an excuse to bring a single payor system to America. But, by golly, maybe they were right afterall.</p>
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		By: LetitCollapse		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2013/12/06/ugly-dust-up-over-gop-assembly-health-care-site/#comment-48092</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LetitCollapse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Dec 2013 18:29:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s ignoble to add 2 million people to the Medi-Cal rolls when you don&#039;t have the resources to adequately care for them. That&#039;s a lot of new patients. It&#039;s reported that 70% of California&#039;s 104,000 MD&#039;s are refusing to work for break-even wages to care for this population. We only have about 35,000 primary care physicians in California. It&#039;s reported that only 57% of California docs are accepting new Medi-Cal patients. So that means only about 20,000 PCP&#039;s. And that&#039;s assuming they will continue to contract for this patient population. Many probably won&#039;t under ObamaCare&#039;s new reimbursement rates. Do the math. It means that each PCP would have to add 100 break-even patients to his/her caseloads. Good luck with that!

And with our open borders and Calfornia refusing to deport jail illegals (who occupy 30% of the jail beds in California) unless they&#039;ve committed heinous serious VIOLENT felonies (non-violent felonies get tossed back into our neighborhoods) our already record poverty rates ranked #1 in the nation can only surge higher. Which means more poor people will need free health care. Which means your insurance rates go up to pay for them. 

I don&#039;t think the bleeding hearts think this stuff through. It must be a knee-jerk response from the liberal playbook. 

ObamaCare is a train wreck in motion for California. We&#039;ve become a perpetual magnet for the poor when we&#039;ve already hit the saturation point, based on the latest Census Bureau data. Why? There are carrots everywhere! Why wouldn&#039;t foreign indigents with no hope come to California?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s ignoble to add 2 million people to the Medi-Cal rolls when you don&#8217;t have the resources to adequately care for them. That&#8217;s a lot of new patients. It&#8217;s reported that 70% of California&#8217;s 104,000 MD&#8217;s are refusing to work for break-even wages to care for this population. We only have about 35,000 primary care physicians in California. It&#8217;s reported that only 57% of California docs are accepting new Medi-Cal patients. So that means only about 20,000 PCP&#8217;s. And that&#8217;s assuming they will continue to contract for this patient population. Many probably won&#8217;t under ObamaCare&#8217;s new reimbursement rates. Do the math. It means that each PCP would have to add 100 break-even patients to his/her caseloads. Good luck with that!</p>
<p>And with our open borders and Calfornia refusing to deport jail illegals (who occupy 30% of the jail beds in California) unless they&#8217;ve committed heinous serious VIOLENT felonies (non-violent felonies get tossed back into our neighborhoods) our already record poverty rates ranked #1 in the nation can only surge higher. Which means more poor people will need free health care. Which means your insurance rates go up to pay for them. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think the bleeding hearts think this stuff through. It must be a knee-jerk response from the liberal playbook. </p>
<p>ObamaCare is a train wreck in motion for California. We&#8217;ve become a perpetual magnet for the poor when we&#8217;ve already hit the saturation point, based on the latest Census Bureau data. Why? There are carrots everywhere! Why wouldn&#8217;t foreign indigents with no hope come to California?</p>
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