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		By: Ted Steele, CEO		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2014/01/06/pipes-obamacare-devours-itself/#comment-63477</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ted Steele, CEO]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jan 2014 14:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://calwatchdog.com/2014/01/06/pipes-obamacare-devours-itself/#comment-62614&quot;&gt;LetitCollapse&lt;/a&gt;.

LOL Collapso---  Like private workers have not been arrested in mass for the same charges?  LMAO yo remain a broken record little buddy!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://calwatchdog.com/2014/01/06/pipes-obamacare-devours-itself/#comment-62614">LetitCollapse</a>.</p>
<p>LOL Collapso&#8212;  Like private workers have not been arrested in mass for the same charges?  LMAO yo remain a broken record little buddy!</p>
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		By: LetitCollapse		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2014/01/06/pipes-obamacare-devours-itself/#comment-62614</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LetitCollapse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jan 2014 17:43:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://calwatchdog.com/2014/01/06/pipes-obamacare-devours-itself/#comment-62408&quot;&gt;Ulysses Uhaul&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;Doomers appear jealous of hard working civil servants who played by the rules, sacrificed, invested, did the right thing.&quot; 

Yeah, like the more than 100 retired cops and firefighters from NYPD and NYFD drawing fat pensions who were just arrested for disability fraud!!! lol. Claiming medical and psychiatric illnesses and then living their daily lives in total contradiction of those claims! lol. All of them should be thrown into prison. Higher standard??? lol. 

If they did sting operations like this around the nation there would be thousands of them arrested. The disability scam played by former cops and firefighters is rampant and widespread. I read in the Times that at one point 75% of the Los Angeles County firefighters were granted medical disability at retirement!!! lol. 

More legal theft perpetrated on the exploited taxpayers!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://calwatchdog.com/2014/01/06/pipes-obamacare-devours-itself/#comment-62408">Ulysses Uhaul</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;Doomers appear jealous of hard working civil servants who played by the rules, sacrificed, invested, did the right thing.&#8221; </p>
<p>Yeah, like the more than 100 retired cops and firefighters from NYPD and NYFD drawing fat pensions who were just arrested for disability fraud!!! lol. Claiming medical and psychiatric illnesses and then living their daily lives in total contradiction of those claims! lol. All of them should be thrown into prison. Higher standard??? lol. </p>
<p>If they did sting operations like this around the nation there would be thousands of them arrested. The disability scam played by former cops and firefighters is rampant and widespread. I read in the Times that at one point 75% of the Los Angeles County firefighters were granted medical disability at retirement!!! lol. </p>
<p>More legal theft perpetrated on the exploited taxpayers!</p>
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		By: Ulysses Uhaul		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2014/01/06/pipes-obamacare-devours-itself/#comment-62408</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ulysses Uhaul]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jan 2014 06:32:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Doomers appear jealous of hard working civil servants who played by the rules, sacrificed, invested, did the right thing. 

100k?

So be it. 

These seniors deserve their hard earned pensions. 

Donkey we like you. You&#039;re insanely funny....but don&#039;t be uncaring or influenced by deep bunker nematodes on CWD!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doomers appear jealous of hard working civil servants who played by the rules, sacrificed, invested, did the right thing. </p>
<p>100k?</p>
<p>So be it. </p>
<p>These seniors deserve their hard earned pensions. </p>
<p>Donkey we like you. You&#8217;re insanely funny&#8230;.but don&#8217;t be uncaring or influenced by deep bunker nematodes on CWD!</p>
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		By: LetitCollapse		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2014/01/06/pipes-obamacare-devours-itself/#comment-62337</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LetitCollapse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jan 2014 02:49:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oh, and it&#039;s uncanny how the electeds who are supposed to represent the taxpayers manage to rig the system on the RETROactive pensions so that the new HIGHER pension formula applies to all active employees - even those who worked for decades under a lower pension formula. (ie, worked for 29 years under a 2.5%@50 then when the formula is changed in the 30th year to 3%@50 it is applied to the previous 29 years too!) lol. 

But when they do the opposite and lower the pension formula they make sure not to make that change RETROactive. Nope. The lower formulas apply only to the NEW FUTURE HIRES. lol.

What a racket. Legalized theft is what it amounts to. What else could you possibly call it??? lol.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and it&#8217;s uncanny how the electeds who are supposed to represent the taxpayers manage to rig the system on the RETROactive pensions so that the new HIGHER pension formula applies to all active employees &#8211; even those who worked for decades under a lower pension formula. (ie, worked for 29 years under a 2.5%@50 then when the formula is changed in the 30th year to 3%@50 it is applied to the previous 29 years too!) lol. </p>
<p>But when they do the opposite and lower the pension formula they make sure not to make that change RETROactive. Nope. The lower formulas apply only to the NEW FUTURE HIRES. lol.</p>
<p>What a racket. Legalized theft is what it amounts to. What else could you possibly call it??? lol.</p>
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		By: LetitCollapse		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2014/01/06/pipes-obamacare-devours-itself/#comment-62312</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LetitCollapse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jan 2014 00:43:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Let&#039;s do the math on that.

20,000 California retired public employees collection pensions over $100,000.

Let&#039;s be conservative and assume that the AVERAGE pension is $130,000.

20,000 X $130,000 = $2.6 BILLION]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s do the math on that.</p>
<p>20,000 California retired public employees collection pensions over $100,000.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s be conservative and assume that the AVERAGE pension is $130,000.</p>
<p>20,000 X $130,000 = $2.6 BILLION</p>
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		By: Donkey		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2014/01/06/pipes-obamacare-devours-itself/#comment-62305</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Donkey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jan 2014 00:11:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://calwatchdog.com/2014/01/06/pipes-obamacare-devours-itself/#comment-62218&quot;&gt;Ulysses Uhaul&lt;/a&gt;.

Bleed UU, Bleed!!  

  Obamacare is just another RAGWUS scheme to steal from the middleclass!  :)]]></description>
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<p>Bleed UU, Bleed!!  </p>
<p>  Obamacare is just another RAGWUS scheme to steal from the middleclass!  🙂</p>
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		By: Donkey		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2014/01/06/pipes-obamacare-devours-itself/#comment-62304</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Donkey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jan 2014 00:09:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://calwatchdog.com/2014/01/06/pipes-obamacare-devours-itself/#comment-62300&quot;&gt;The Ted Steele Conceptual Abstraction Unit&lt;/a&gt;.

Steals, the Quid Pro Quo RAGWUS scheme that &quot;promised&quot; those pensions you seem to feel were so justly earned is run by the most corrupt cabal of liars and thieves to walk on this Earth. Your putrid system of stealing taxpayers money for your own enrichments keystone is using the private sectors tax dollars to buy the very &quot;Reps&quot; you want to blame, you got exactly what you paid for my tax feeding pal!!!  :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://calwatchdog.com/2014/01/06/pipes-obamacare-devours-itself/#comment-62300">The Ted Steele Conceptual Abstraction Unit</a>.</p>
<p>Steals, the Quid Pro Quo RAGWUS scheme that &#8220;promised&#8221; those pensions you seem to feel were so justly earned is run by the most corrupt cabal of liars and thieves to walk on this Earth. Your putrid system of stealing taxpayers money for your own enrichments keystone is using the private sectors tax dollars to buy the very &#8220;Reps&#8221; you want to blame, you got exactly what you paid for my tax feeding pal!!!  🙂</p>
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		By: LetitCollapse		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2014/01/06/pipes-obamacare-devours-itself/#comment-62302</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LetitCollapse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jan 2014 00:07:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://calwatchdog.com/2014/01/06/pipes-obamacare-devours-itself/#comment-62300&quot;&gt;The Ted Steele Conceptual Abstraction Unit&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;Of course those 12,000 people…were they they the 12,000 folks who were promised the pensions and then worked 30 years to get them after your reps enticed them to stay employed each year with renewed contracts?&quot;

No. On their original date of hire the public employees received a lower pension formula. Then the unions pushed the pols to raise the formulas substantially and make them RETROACTIVE after some of those employees had worked under the original lower formulas for DECADES so the NEW MUCH HIGHER formula was applied back to their first day of employment!!! lol.

A total scam. 

What a compassionate bunch!!! lol. Throwing the younger generations forced to pay for their avarice square under the rolling bus!!! 

The compassion is overflowing!!! lol.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://calwatchdog.com/2014/01/06/pipes-obamacare-devours-itself/#comment-62300">The Ted Steele Conceptual Abstraction Unit</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;Of course those 12,000 people…were they they the 12,000 folks who were promised the pensions and then worked 30 years to get them after your reps enticed them to stay employed each year with renewed contracts?&#8221;</p>
<p>No. On their original date of hire the public employees received a lower pension formula. Then the unions pushed the pols to raise the formulas substantially and make them RETROACTIVE after some of those employees had worked under the original lower formulas for DECADES so the NEW MUCH HIGHER formula was applied back to their first day of employment!!! lol.</p>
<p>A total scam. </p>
<p>What a compassionate bunch!!! lol. Throwing the younger generations forced to pay for their avarice square under the rolling bus!!! </p>
<p>The compassion is overflowing!!! lol.</p>
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		By: LetitCollapse		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2014/01/06/pipes-obamacare-devours-itself/#comment-62301</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LetitCollapse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jan 2014 23:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://calwatchdog.com/2014/01/06/pipes-obamacare-devours-itself/#comment-62272&quot;&gt;The Ted Steele Conceptual Abstraction Unit&lt;/a&gt;.

I did further research.

To give you an idea of how out-of-control the California public pension system is:

In 2005 CalPers had about 1800 retirees collecting pensions of $100,000 or more.

In 2009 it increased to about 6,100

By the end of 2012 that number rose to about 14,700.

A 700% increase in less than a decade. 

Then tack on another 6,600 CalSTRS retired teachers collecting pension of $100,000 or more in 2012. 

So in 2012 more than 20,000 retired Calfornia public workers were in the $100,000 pension club! 

Tossing the youngsters who will have to pay for it all under the bus!!!

I have never witnessed or even read about generational greed at this level. 

Very disturbing.

Even animals protect their young!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://calwatchdog.com/2014/01/06/pipes-obamacare-devours-itself/#comment-62272">The Ted Steele Conceptual Abstraction Unit</a>.</p>
<p>I did further research.</p>
<p>To give you an idea of how out-of-control the California public pension system is:</p>
<p>In 2005 CalPers had about 1800 retirees collecting pensions of $100,000 or more.</p>
<p>In 2009 it increased to about 6,100</p>
<p>By the end of 2012 that number rose to about 14,700.</p>
<p>A 700% increase in less than a decade. </p>
<p>Then tack on another 6,600 CalSTRS retired teachers collecting pension of $100,000 or more in 2012. </p>
<p>So in 2012 more than 20,000 retired Calfornia public workers were in the $100,000 pension club! </p>
<p>Tossing the youngsters who will have to pay for it all under the bus!!!</p>
<p>I have never witnessed or even read about generational greed at this level. </p>
<p>Very disturbing.</p>
<p>Even animals protect their young!</p>
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		By: The Ted Steele Conceptual Abstraction Unit		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2014/01/06/pipes-obamacare-devours-itself/#comment-62300</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Ted Steele Conceptual Abstraction Unit]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jan 2014 23:54:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://calwatchdog.com/2014/01/06/pipes-obamacare-devours-itself/#comment-62282&quot;&gt;LetitCollapse&lt;/a&gt;.

You seemed to be directing that at particular people out here without knowing of course what you&#039;re talking about. So now I see it&#039;s just one of your general rants/spews. OK.

Of course those 12,000 people...were they they the 12,000 folks who were promised the pensions and then worked 30 years to get them after your reps enticed them to stay employed each year with renewed contracts? Oh...you mean those folks?  Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...I see.....and now THEY are greedy? Or are you greedy for taking their work lifes for 30 years and enjoying the fruits of thier labors? Hmmmm. Seems like either you were not paying attention or you got the quaterback blues little buddy.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://calwatchdog.com/2014/01/06/pipes-obamacare-devours-itself/#comment-62282">LetitCollapse</a>.</p>
<p>You seemed to be directing that at particular people out here without knowing of course what you&#8217;re talking about. So now I see it&#8217;s just one of your general rants/spews. OK.</p>
<p>Of course those 12,000 people&#8230;were they they the 12,000 folks who were promised the pensions and then worked 30 years to get them after your reps enticed them to stay employed each year with renewed contracts? Oh&#8230;you mean those folks?  Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh&#8230;I see&#8230;..and now THEY are greedy? Or are you greedy for taking their work lifes for 30 years and enjoying the fruits of thier labors? Hmmmm. Seems like either you were not paying attention or you got the quaterback blues little buddy.</p>
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