Oh, you’re just a complainer…

So they randomly test about 3000 cops a year and LAPD claims that they only catch 1 or 2 a year with dope in they systems? Let’s see. That would work out to be .00033% to .00066% of those tested. You’d probably find a higher percentage of dope users in a group of 3000 randomly tested nuns. hah. I’m sure our fine boys in blue wouldn’t design a testing program with built-in protections to back the badge, would they, Eric? I mean, we know they don’t lie on the stand for each other, or lie to convict innocent people. So why would they design a dope testing program only for public show? Right?

When medical doctors start carrying guns and can get away with shooting and killing citizens for ‘reaching toward their waistbands’, even when there was no gun found, then I’ll support doctors being randomly tested for dope. But not a day sooner.

Here’s a video talking about Los Angeles Police deparmtent being randomly drug tested. http://www.bakersfieldnow.com/news/local/How-does-random-drug-testing-work-for-LAPD-138614514.html?tab=video&c=y

Because I didn’t have it at my fingertips. Probationary firefighters are firefighters nonetheless.

You DO realize that RANDOM means that someone’s probably always going to be left out? That doesn’t mean it doesn’t occur! LOL

This has nothing to do with the differences between people, it has to do with whether those people have influence over another person’s life and health.

The Medical Board of California itself came out with the numbers that 1 in 5 doctors will have a drug or alcohol problem during their career. Thing about it…look at the huge access to drugs and stress they have. Do you really want to risk being treated by a doctor under the influence????

Education has nothing to do with whether someone makes a stupid decision.

I don’t really care if you change your opinion. Narrow-minded people like you are the minority.

Why didn’t you cite the actual LA Fire Department reg which allows random drug testing on firefighters? I think I know why. There isn’t one. It only applies to PROBATIONARY FF’s in their first year of active service. Not to the regular FF’s who have completed their PROBATIONARY status. Best to provide full disclosure when discussing the issues on the CalWatchdog board, Eric.

I was in the military for several years. I was not randomly tested even once. And I didn’t know one military member who was randomly tested at that time. Some guy I knew got caught with some weed. They tested him and booted him out of the service.

There is a world of difference between a PFC in the military and a medical doctor. If a medical doctor shows suspicious behavior consistent with that of a substance abuser then I have no problem forcing a test on him or her. But to randomly force medical doctors with over 11 years of higher education to pee into bottles is repulsive and IMO a civil liberties violation.

When ALL cops and fire fighters are subject to random drug testing we can discuss this again. Until then – I am FIRMLY against random drug testing on medical doctors. And nothing you say could change my opinion.

Los Angeles Firefighters amongst many. http://digitalcommons.ilr.cornell.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2620&context=blscontracts Page 3

The military IS randomly drug tested. http://usmilitary.about.com/od/theorderlyroom/l/bldrugtests.htm, and http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=121345

“Firefighters are randomly drug tested as is our ENTIRE military.”

Baloney. What FF’s are randomly drug tested? Not in my area. Where do you live?

I was in the military. Nobody I knew ever got randomly tested. They had dope dogs run through the barracks. But NEVER a random test. Only those caught with dope got tested.

Oh, and if any occupation should be randomly tested it should be COPS! And cops aren’t tested. Even after being involved in a shooting that results in a death.

When cops gets tested you go ahead and test a medical doctors who has 2 pounds more brains than you’re average cop has.

First in line to what? Be drug tested?

You bet….the MOMENT I’m holding someone else’s life in my hands, I’ll be first in line to be drug tested.