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		By: S Moderation Douglas		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://calwatchdog.com/2014/12/19/new-tax-would-hit-services/#comment-106161&quot;&gt;bob&lt;/a&gt;.

I don&#039;t recall going around anywhere. I often hear (not in this case specifically) that California has the highest taxes in the nation. I usually point out that this is a misconception not supported by facts. I don&#039;t know what type of martyr complex compels some people to resist reality. 

(&quot;One of the highest&quot;? perhaps, but in many categories we are not even in the top twenty percent. 
AND many of those states who pay LOWER taxes are, figuratively speaking, of course, &quot;sucking shamelessly at the Federal government teat.&quot;)

I did cite a source that got the sales tax &quot;wrong&quot;. I sent them a scathing letter; I&#039;m sure they&#039;ll be more diligent in the future. I cited them again today. They are one of the two major foundations who compile this type of data, so the other option is to rely on my own anecdotal experience. 

Or the other foundation. Tax foundation.org  

California rankings:

Tax freedom day..............April 20.............ranked 11th..........not first
State and Local Tax Burden Per Capita.....$4,934.......ranked 6th.......not first
State Business Tax Climate Index ......48th.......not even close to first (sarcasm)
State Tax Collections Per Capita,......$3,111......ranked 11th
State Revenue Per Capita,..........$5,634.........ranked 23rd

Federal Aid as a Percentage State General Revenue,.....32.4%.......ranked 37th
(Interesting how so many of the &quot;low tax&quot; states have a MUCH higher percentage of federal aid.)

State Individual Income Tax Collections Per Capita,....$1,346.....ranked 6th
State and Local Individual Income Tax Collections Per Capita,....$1,229......ranked 7th
State Corporate Income Tax Collections Per Capita,.......$256......ranked 5th

State sales tax rate........7.5%......NUMBER ONE.....FINALLY *

State plus local combined rate, average........8.38%..........ranked 9th.......that&#039;s 9th, not first
State General Sales Tax Collections Per Capita............$896.......ranked 19th
State Gasoline Tax Rates as of January 1, 2013 (Cents Per Gallon)...48.7.........ranked number 2
State Cigarette Excise Tax Rates.............$.87/pack.........ranked 32nd
State Cigarette Excise Tax Rates.............$3.30/gal...........ranked 38th
State and Local Excise Collections Per Capita.......$325.........ranked 45th
State Debt Per Capita.........20th
State Beer Excise Tax Rates........29th
State and Local Cell Phone Tax Rates........21st
Mean Property Taxes on Owner-Occupied Housing as percent of value ........33rd
State and Local Property Tax Collections Per Capita........19th
State Debt Per Capita....20th
etc., etc., etc.

AND.... best of all, you don&#039;t need to have a batch of bambinos up your arse. Only one, because:

Average People Per Household by state: California.....2.96
...............................
And, again, these are average or per capita taxes. I believe it was Soquel by the Creek who told me the &quot;average&quot; Californian has one testicle and one ovary. 

In the real world, in California, it&#039;s the high earners who pay the most taxes. Most of us are not only NOT the highest taxed in the nation, we are lower than average. 

And the glass is still half full. 



*This might be where ITEP &quot;couldn’t even get the sales tax rate right.&quot;
Tax foundation note: &quot;(b) Three states collect a separate, uniform “local” add-on sales 
tax: California (1%), Utah (1.25%), Virginia (1%). We include these 
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://calwatchdog.com/2014/12/19/new-tax-would-hit-services/#comment-106161">bob</a>.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t recall going around anywhere. I often hear (not in this case specifically) that California has the highest taxes in the nation. I usually point out that this is a misconception not supported by facts. I don&#8217;t know what type of martyr complex compels some people to resist reality. </p>
<p>(&#8220;One of the highest&#8221;? perhaps, but in many categories we are not even in the top twenty percent.<br />
AND many of those states who pay LOWER taxes are, figuratively speaking, of course, &#8220;sucking shamelessly at the Federal government teat.&#8221;)</p>
<p>I did cite a source that got the sales tax &#8220;wrong&#8221;. I sent them a scathing letter; I&#8217;m sure they&#8217;ll be more diligent in the future. I cited them again today. They are one of the two major foundations who compile this type of data, so the other option is to rely on my own anecdotal experience. </p>
<p>Or the other foundation. Tax foundation.org  </p>
<p>California rankings:</p>
<p>Tax freedom day&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..April 20&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.ranked 11th&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.not first<br />
State and Local Tax Burden Per Capita&#8230;..$4,934&#8230;&#8230;.ranked 6th&#8230;&#8230;.not first<br />
State Business Tax Climate Index &#8230;&#8230;48th&#8230;&#8230;.not even close to first (sarcasm)<br />
State Tax Collections Per Capita,&#8230;&#8230;$3,111&#8230;&#8230;ranked 11th<br />
State Revenue Per Capita,&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.$5,634&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;ranked 23rd</p>
<p>Federal Aid as a Percentage State General Revenue,&#8230;..32.4%&#8230;&#8230;.ranked 37th<br />
(Interesting how so many of the &#8220;low tax&#8221; states have a MUCH higher percentage of federal aid.)</p>
<p>State Individual Income Tax Collections Per Capita,&#8230;.$1,346&#8230;..ranked 6th<br />
State and Local Individual Income Tax Collections Per Capita,&#8230;.$1,229&#8230;&#8230;ranked 7th<br />
State Corporate Income Tax Collections Per Capita,&#8230;&#8230;.$256&#8230;&#8230;ranked 5th</p>
<p>State sales tax rate&#8230;&#8230;..7.5%&#8230;&#8230;NUMBER ONE&#8230;..FINALLY *</p>
<p>State plus local combined rate, average&#8230;&#8230;..8.38%&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.ranked 9th&#8230;&#8230;.that&#8217;s 9th, not first<br />
State General Sales Tax Collections Per Capita&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;$896&#8230;&#8230;.ranked 19th<br />
State Gasoline Tax Rates as of January 1, 2013 (Cents Per Gallon)&#8230;48.7&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;ranked number 2<br />
State Cigarette Excise Tax Rates&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.$.87/pack&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;ranked 32nd<br />
State Cigarette Excise Tax Rates&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.$3.30/gal&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..ranked 38th<br />
State and Local Excise Collections Per Capita&#8230;&#8230;.$325&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;ranked 45th<br />
State Debt Per Capita&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;20th<br />
State Beer Excise Tax Rates&#8230;&#8230;..29th<br />
State and Local Cell Phone Tax Rates&#8230;&#8230;..21st<br />
Mean Property Taxes on Owner-Occupied Housing as percent of value &#8230;&#8230;..33rd<br />
State and Local Property Tax Collections Per Capita&#8230;&#8230;..19th<br />
State Debt Per Capita&#8230;.20th<br />
etc., etc., etc.</p>
<p>AND&#8230;. best of all, you don&#8217;t need to have a batch of bambinos up your arse. Only one, because:</p>
<p>Average People Per Household by state: California&#8230;..2.96<br />
&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.<br />
And, again, these are average or per capita taxes. I believe it was Soquel by the Creek who told me the &#8220;average&#8221; Californian has one testicle and one ovary. </p>
<p>In the real world, in California, it&#8217;s the high earners who pay the most taxes. Most of us are not only NOT the highest taxed in the nation, we are lower than average. </p>
<p>And the glass is still half full. </p>
<p>*This might be where ITEP &#8220;couldn’t even get the sales tax rate right.&#8221;<br />
Tax foundation note: &#8220;(b) Three states collect a separate, uniform “local” add-on sales<br />
tax: California (1%), Utah (1.25%), Virginia (1%). We include these<br />
in their state sales tax.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Ulysses Uhaul		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2014/12/19/new-tax-would-hit-services/#comment-106283</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2014 03:39:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Trekkie.......back to the prepper bunker...Your solutions are stale. Read the Ragwus Hunter Donkey  for contemporary dumb ideas!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trekkie&#8230;&#8230;.back to the prepper bunker&#8230;Your solutions are stale. Read the Ragwus Hunter Donkey  for contemporary dumb ideas!</p>
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		By: bob		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2014/12/19/new-tax-would-hit-services/#comment-106275</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2014 03:23:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://calwatchdog.com/2014/12/19/new-tax-would-hit-services/#comment-106180&quot;&gt;Ebolan&lt;/a&gt;.

Why don&#039;t you do something more constructive with your time, like get to a doctor!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://calwatchdog.com/2014/12/19/new-tax-would-hit-services/#comment-106180">Ebolan</a>.</p>
<p>Why don&#8217;t you do something more constructive with your time, like get to a doctor!</p>
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		By: bob		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2014 03:22:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://calwatchdog.com/2014/12/19/new-tax-would-hit-services/#comment-106262&quot;&gt;Deserttrek&lt;/a&gt;.

Come now, comrade. To each according to his needs, from each according to his abilities!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://calwatchdog.com/2014/12/19/new-tax-would-hit-services/#comment-106262">Deserttrek</a>.</p>
<p>Come now, comrade. To each according to his needs, from each according to his abilities!</p>
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		By: bob		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2014 03:21:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://calwatchdog.com/2014/12/19/new-tax-would-hit-services/#comment-106161&quot;&gt;bob&lt;/a&gt;.

And Colliefornia does have sales tax on prepared food and non-prescription medicines.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://calwatchdog.com/2014/12/19/new-tax-would-hit-services/#comment-106161">bob</a>.</p>
<p>And Colliefornia does have sales tax on prepared food and non-prescription medicines.</p>
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		By: bob		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2014 03:20:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://calwatchdog.com/2014/12/19/new-tax-would-hit-services/#comment-106161&quot;&gt;bob&lt;/a&gt;.

Last time we were on this merry go round you sited a web site that couldn&#039;t even get the Colliefornia sales tax rate right, Doglass.

And regarding Colliefornia&#039;s not taxing food or medicine there&#039;s nothing special about that.  The vast majority of states don&#039;t do that.

So the solution to not gettng taxed up the arse is have a batch of bambinos?  Wondeful.  If you have no kids and make even just 50k you get gored in this state and 50k is not much to live on in Colliefornia.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://calwatchdog.com/2014/12/19/new-tax-would-hit-services/#comment-106161">bob</a>.</p>
<p>Last time we were on this merry go round you sited a web site that couldn&#8217;t even get the Colliefornia sales tax rate right, Doglass.</p>
<p>And regarding Colliefornia&#8217;s not taxing food or medicine there&#8217;s nothing special about that.  The vast majority of states don&#8217;t do that.</p>
<p>So the solution to not gettng taxed up the arse is have a batch of bambinos?  Wondeful.  If you have no kids and make even just 50k you get gored in this state and 50k is not much to live on in Colliefornia.</p>
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		By: Deserttrek		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2014 23:41:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://calwatchdog.com/2014/12/19/new-tax-would-hit-services/#comment-106124&quot;&gt;skippingdog&lt;/a&gt;.

taxes are theft ..... anything taken from a person under threat of force is theft ... wake up]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://calwatchdog.com/2014/12/19/new-tax-would-hit-services/#comment-106124">skippingdog</a>.</p>
<p>taxes are theft &#8230;.. anything taken from a person under threat of force is theft &#8230; wake up</p>
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		By: Deserttrek		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2014 23:40:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[more more more ... that is a disease .. the schools have TOO much money now ... time to cut .. reform calpers and pensions... eliminate all aid to illegal aliens and that is just a start]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>more more more &#8230; that is a disease .. the schools have TOO much money now &#8230; time to cut .. reform calpers and pensions&#8230; eliminate all aid to illegal aliens and that is just a start</p>
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		By: S Moderation Douglas		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2014 20:44:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://calwatchdog.com/2014/12/19/new-tax-would-hit-services/#comment-106161&quot;&gt;bob&lt;/a&gt;.

Please define &quot;canard.&quot;

&quot;income tax rate of over 9% that kicks in at around 48k&quot;.... That would be $48,000 &quot;taxable&quot; income.  Big difference.
&quot;It has sales taxes in many places that are near 10%,&quot;.... BUT, California percapita sales tax burden is lower than about eight other states because unlike some of those states, California does not tax groceries...yet. Or services...yet.

I know of only two sources that separate state and local tax by income group.

&quot;Tax Rates and Tax Burdens in the District of Columbia - A Nationwide Comparison
&quot;

Calculates that a hypothetical family of three in Los Angeles pays zero state income tax on incomes up to $75,000.
Higher rates, yes.  On &quot;taxable&quot; income. But California exemptions and exclusions keep the tax burden lower, for lower income citizens. MUCH lower, in many cases.
............................
THE INSTITUTE ON TAXATION &#038; ECONOMIC POLICY...&quot;Who Pays? A Distributional Analysis of the Tax Systems in All 50 States&quot;

Shows California&#039;s top five percent of earners having the highest tax burden of all states, with the possible exception of New York.
............................
http://taxfoundation.org/     &quot;Which States Have the Most Progressive Income Taxes?&quot; says resoundingly......California.
............................
http://soquelbythecreek.blogspot.com/search?q=state+income+tax     Will happily tell you that in California, 

&quot;The bottom 50% of taxpayers contribute less than 2% of the entire income tax bill.&quot;
and,
&quot;the top 3% pay roughly half of California income taxes.&quot;
............................

Progressive.

And the glass is more than half full, because.. lower to middle income Californians don&#039;t pay as much tax as they have been led to believe. And more than half full for higher income taxpayers because.. they have higher income.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://calwatchdog.com/2014/12/19/new-tax-would-hit-services/#comment-106161">bob</a>.</p>
<p>Please define &#8220;canard.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;income tax rate of over 9% that kicks in at around 48k&#8221;&#8230;. That would be $48,000 &#8220;taxable&#8221; income.  Big difference.<br />
&#8220;It has sales taxes in many places that are near 10%,&#8221;&#8230;. BUT, California percapita sales tax burden is lower than about eight other states because unlike some of those states, California does not tax groceries&#8230;yet. Or services&#8230;yet.</p>
<p>I know of only two sources that separate state and local tax by income group.</p>
<p>&#8220;Tax Rates and Tax Burdens in the District of Columbia &#8211; A Nationwide Comparison<br />
&#8221;</p>
<p>Calculates that a hypothetical family of three in Los Angeles pays zero state income tax on incomes up to $75,000.<br />
Higher rates, yes.  On &#8220;taxable&#8221; income. But California exemptions and exclusions keep the tax burden lower, for lower income citizens. MUCH lower, in many cases.<br />
&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.<br />
THE INSTITUTE ON TAXATION &amp; ECONOMIC POLICY&#8230;&#8221;Who Pays? A Distributional Analysis of the Tax Systems in All 50 States&#8221;</p>
<p>Shows California&#8217;s top five percent of earners having the highest tax burden of all states, with the possible exception of New York.<br />
&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.<br />
<a href="http://taxfoundation.org/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://taxfoundation.org/</a>     &#8220;Which States Have the Most Progressive Income Taxes?&#8221; says resoundingly&#8230;&#8230;California.<br />
&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.<br />
<a href="http://soquelbythecreek.blogspot.com/search?q=state+income+tax" rel="nofollow ugc">http://soquelbythecreek.blogspot.com/search?q=state+income+tax</a>     Will happily tell you that in California, </p>
<p>&#8220;The bottom 50% of taxpayers contribute less than 2% of the entire income tax bill.&#8221;<br />
and,<br />
&#8220;the top 3% pay roughly half of California income taxes.&#8221;<br />
&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>Progressive.</p>
<p>And the glass is more than half full, because.. lower to middle income Californians don&#8217;t pay as much tax as they have been led to believe. And more than half full for higher income taxpayers because.. they have higher income.</p>
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		By: Ulysses Uhaul		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2014/12/19/new-tax-would-hit-services/#comment-106214</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2014 06:11:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Desi is conflicted. Goreee is just messed with. Bobo crys out for truth.

Where is Teddy, the sage and modern day Nostrodamus of CWD. 

Help!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Desi is conflicted. Goreee is just messed with. Bobo crys out for truth.</p>
<p>Where is Teddy, the sage and modern day Nostrodamus of CWD. </p>
<p>Help!</p>
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