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		By: vonborks		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2015 17:24:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[And what power source will be used to recharge Popple&#039;s bus batteries? And exactly what battery technology will the bus use, and why? And Popple&#039;s $3 million Grant, how can I get in on that scam?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And what power source will be used to recharge Popple&#8217;s bus batteries? And exactly what battery technology will the bus use, and why? And Popple&#8217;s $3 million Grant, how can I get in on that scam?</p>
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		By: Dork		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2015 15:40:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://calwatchdog.com/2015/05/10/ca-kickstarts-musks-new-battery-empire/#comment-116545&quot;&gt;Bill Gore&lt;/a&gt;.

Not to mention that the whole battery idea they have is a bunch of crap, inefficient and expensive, big waste of time unless FRAUD is a normal business practice.

from:http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=230107

A Trojan L16 deep cycle battery has a 370AH rating at 6 volts, or 2,200 watt-hours.  Each.  You can draw them down 50% repeatedly without problem.  Four of them in series will produce about 4 kilowatt-hours of reliable power (their nominal rating is more than twice that, or roughly comparable to Tesla&#039;s &quot;power wall&quot;) and the output of four in series is 24V which is compatible with commodity inverter/charger equipment unlike Tesla&#039;s &quot;Powerwall&quot; which is not.  The Trojans also cost about $400 each, which means four of them cost $1,600 or less than half the price, at retail, what Tesla wants as a wholesale price for their &quot;powerwall&quot; and a 3kw inverter/charger to go with the Trojans can be had for about another $1,000 as that is commodity equipment unlike the Tesla gear.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://calwatchdog.com/2015/05/10/ca-kickstarts-musks-new-battery-empire/#comment-116545">Bill Gore</a>.</p>
<p>Not to mention that the whole battery idea they have is a bunch of crap, inefficient and expensive, big waste of time unless FRAUD is a normal business practice.</p>
<p>from:<a href="http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=230107" rel="nofollow ugc">http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=230107</a></p>
<p>A Trojan L16 deep cycle battery has a 370AH rating at 6 volts, or 2,200 watt-hours.  Each.  You can draw them down 50% repeatedly without problem.  Four of them in series will produce about 4 kilowatt-hours of reliable power (their nominal rating is more than twice that, or roughly comparable to Tesla&#8217;s &#8220;power wall&#8221;) and the output of four in series is 24V which is compatible with commodity inverter/charger equipment unlike Tesla&#8217;s &#8220;Powerwall&#8221; which is not.  The Trojans also cost about $400 each, which means four of them cost $1,600 or less than half the price, at retail, what Tesla wants as a wholesale price for their &#8220;powerwall&#8221; and a 3kw inverter/charger to go with the Trojans can be had for about another $1,000 as that is commodity equipment unlike the Tesla gear.</p>
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		By: Bill Gore		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bill Gore]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2015 14:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I hate to be the buzzkiller, but Mr. Musk is so far very long on techno-utopian talk, and very short on real world delivery. Tesla is till bleeding out red ink, has yet to make a dime. To announce the beginning of a new tech &#039;EMPIRE&#039; is in my mind a jinx. Real tech empires (Apple, Google, Microsoft) started really small, with a very long &#039;proof of concept&#039; period, like tiny Permian mammals skittering in the forest duff, while the IBM&#039;s of the world thundered around above. The fact that he&#039;s chosen CA for his launch (but NOT his factory..)speaks volumes to californians slavish addiction to trendiness, and their gullibility thereof...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate to be the buzzkiller, but Mr. Musk is so far very long on techno-utopian talk, and very short on real world delivery. Tesla is till bleeding out red ink, has yet to make a dime. To announce the beginning of a new tech &#8216;EMPIRE&#8217; is in my mind a jinx. Real tech empires (Apple, Google, Microsoft) started really small, with a very long &#8216;proof of concept&#8217; period, like tiny Permian mammals skittering in the forest duff, while the IBM&#8217;s of the world thundered around above. The fact that he&#8217;s chosen CA for his launch (but NOT his factory..)speaks volumes to californians slavish addiction to trendiness, and their gullibility thereof&#8230;</p>
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