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		By: James		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2016/02/24/ca-suffers-middle-class-migration/#comment-142479</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2018 20:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://calwatchdog.com/2016/02/24/ca-suffers-middle-class-migration/#comment-120858&quot;&gt;Ronald&lt;/a&gt;.

Mickey Mouse appears to be running the show.]]></description>
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<p>Mickey Mouse appears to be running the show.</p>
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		By: MJ		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2016/02/24/ca-suffers-middle-class-migration/#comment-141065</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MJ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2018 04:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://calwatchdog.com/2016/02/24/ca-suffers-middle-class-migration/#comment-120927&quot;&gt;CindyR&lt;/a&gt;.

Well said Cindy R. Also, I would like to point out that there is a vast difference between subsidized housing and affordable housing. There is hardly any affordable housing in most of CA with rare exception. Then in some of those cases, the locations are far from all services, so one has to drive long distances for everything they need to get to work or for whatever they need. Add those additional costs to the rent or the mortgage &#038; upkeep plus the high taxes and what that equals is chaos. None of this is really very affordable, prudent or what one would consider equitable, sensible or quality of life for someone who works or is even retired. Section 8 housing subsidized by the state or the federal gov&#039;t keeps market rates artificially high. Market rents are not affordable for the hard working person, unless they are willing to pay much of what they earn or go into debt in order to even afford a small one bedroom apt. In my area,(N. CA) small old cottages are being rented for close to $2,000 a month if you can even find one to rent. This encourages non productivity and worse. It is generally easier for someone who does not work to qualify for these subsidized apts/homes. I know of numerous situations where the person pays less than $200 a month for a beautiful apt that is close to new with their own private back and front porches who receive gov&#039;t benefits in some cases claiming to be disabled and are not. There are also people who are forced to live in squalor in over crowded conditions. Then there are people living in their cars, in their RV&#039;s, couch surfing or are homeless living in the streets near where I live. Then there is the noise and safety issues from packing too many homes in small spaces and gridlock traffic on the roads that are mostly filled with potholes. The high taxes one wonders, where is all the money really going? There are also the dangers of fires and disasters that nobody wants to address until it happens to you or all around you. When money rules and greed rears up its ugly head, all kinds of disasters occur and they do, in all forms. I am out of here as soon as I get something else set up. By the way, the very wealthy are having a difficult time finding laborers to fix their homes or tend to their lives, so it is really a no win for all. Welcome to California. Once a Paradise for nature lovers and kind people. Now a Disneyland for wino&#039;s, drug dealers, carper baggers and crooked politicians. When all of the old timers are forced to leave their homes and communities, the corruptness is epidemic.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://calwatchdog.com/2016/02/24/ca-suffers-middle-class-migration/#comment-120927">CindyR</a>.</p>
<p>Well said Cindy R. Also, I would like to point out that there is a vast difference between subsidized housing and affordable housing. There is hardly any affordable housing in most of CA with rare exception. Then in some of those cases, the locations are far from all services, so one has to drive long distances for everything they need to get to work or for whatever they need. Add those additional costs to the rent or the mortgage &amp; upkeep plus the high taxes and what that equals is chaos. None of this is really very affordable, prudent or what one would consider equitable, sensible or quality of life for someone who works or is even retired. Section 8 housing subsidized by the state or the federal gov&#8217;t keeps market rates artificially high. Market rents are not affordable for the hard working person, unless they are willing to pay much of what they earn or go into debt in order to even afford a small one bedroom apt. In my area,(N. CA) small old cottages are being rented for close to $2,000 a month if you can even find one to rent. This encourages non productivity and worse. It is generally easier for someone who does not work to qualify for these subsidized apts/homes. I know of numerous situations where the person pays less than $200 a month for a beautiful apt that is close to new with their own private back and front porches who receive gov&#8217;t benefits in some cases claiming to be disabled and are not. There are also people who are forced to live in squalor in over crowded conditions. Then there are people living in their cars, in their RV&#8217;s, couch surfing or are homeless living in the streets near where I live. Then there is the noise and safety issues from packing too many homes in small spaces and gridlock traffic on the roads that are mostly filled with potholes. The high taxes one wonders, where is all the money really going? There are also the dangers of fires and disasters that nobody wants to address until it happens to you or all around you. When money rules and greed rears up its ugly head, all kinds of disasters occur and they do, in all forms. I am out of here as soon as I get something else set up. By the way, the very wealthy are having a difficult time finding laborers to fix their homes or tend to their lives, so it is really a no win for all. Welcome to California. Once a Paradise for nature lovers and kind people. Now a Disneyland for wino&#8217;s, drug dealers, carper baggers and crooked politicians. When all of the old timers are forced to leave their homes and communities, the corruptness is epidemic.</p>
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		By: MJ		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2016/02/24/ca-suffers-middle-class-migration/#comment-141064</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MJ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2018 01:19:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://calwatchdog.com/2016/02/24/ca-suffers-middle-class-migration/#comment-141063&quot;&gt;Happily retired&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank you for your response. Can you or anyone else please tell me if you would, where did you end moving to, how do you like it, what are the quality of the services, schools, attitudes of the people, how are the roads, the traffic and how are the winters?  I prefer to be in an area where the weather is not extreme. Cold weather in the winter does not bother me as long as I am not dealing with snow, ice and unsafe weather patterns. In other words, where it is usually above 32. Also do not like very hot summers and am seeking an area that has logical individuals making important decisions that are not based on increasing tourism like where I live now. I am seeking a functional safe community where people actually care about one another and money does not destruct the land and throw their long time residents under the bus like where I live. All ideas and comments from informed individuals will be greatly appreciated. I am looking at certain parts of Oregon and Idaho at the moment. If those places do not work, I am out of ideas. Been to many other places around the US that do not appeal to me. Seeking a small city with semi rural areas close by with clean air and water.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://calwatchdog.com/2016/02/24/ca-suffers-middle-class-migration/#comment-141063">Happily retired</a>.</p>
<p>Thank you for your response. Can you or anyone else please tell me if you would, where did you end moving to, how do you like it, what are the quality of the services, schools, attitudes of the people, how are the roads, the traffic and how are the winters?  I prefer to be in an area where the weather is not extreme. Cold weather in the winter does not bother me as long as I am not dealing with snow, ice and unsafe weather patterns. In other words, where it is usually above 32. Also do not like very hot summers and am seeking an area that has logical individuals making important decisions that are not based on increasing tourism like where I live now. I am seeking a functional safe community where people actually care about one another and money does not destruct the land and throw their long time residents under the bus like where I live. All ideas and comments from informed individuals will be greatly appreciated. I am looking at certain parts of Oregon and Idaho at the moment. If those places do not work, I am out of ideas. Been to many other places around the US that do not appeal to me. Seeking a small city with semi rural areas close by with clean air and water.</p>
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		By: Happily retired		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2016/02/24/ca-suffers-middle-class-migration/#comment-141063</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Happily retired]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2018 17:16:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://calwatchdog.com/2016/02/24/ca-suffers-middle-class-migration/#comment-120964&quot;&gt;MJ&lt;/a&gt;.

Yep, our family left California at the end of 2011 and it was by far the best move we ever made. I am a native born Californian. I never thought I would leave nor did I want to, but was saw what Calif was becoming long before what it is now. So glad we left.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://calwatchdog.com/2016/02/24/ca-suffers-middle-class-migration/#comment-120964">MJ</a>.</p>
<p>Yep, our family left California at the end of 2011 and it was by far the best move we ever made. I am a native born Californian. I never thought I would leave nor did I want to, but was saw what Calif was becoming long before what it is now. So glad we left.</p>
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		By: Happily retired		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2016/02/24/ca-suffers-middle-class-migration/#comment-141062</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Happily retired]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2018 17:15:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://calwatchdog.com/2016/02/24/ca-suffers-middle-class-migration/#comment-120920&quot;&gt;CardiClan&lt;/a&gt;.

Yep, our family left California at the end of 2011 and it was by far the best move we ever made. I am a native born Californian. I never thought I would leave nor did I want to, but was saw what Calif was becoming long before what it is now. So glad we left.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://calwatchdog.com/2016/02/24/ca-suffers-middle-class-migration/#comment-120920">CardiClan</a>.</p>
<p>Yep, our family left California at the end of 2011 and it was by far the best move we ever made. I am a native born Californian. I never thought I would leave nor did I want to, but was saw what Calif was becoming long before what it is now. So glad we left.</p>
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		By: jason walther		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2016/02/24/ca-suffers-middle-class-migration/#comment-140217</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jason walther]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Nov 2017 06:47:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://calwatchdog.com/2016/02/24/ca-suffers-middle-class-migration/#comment-120927&quot;&gt;CindyR&lt;/a&gt;.

Me too!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://calwatchdog.com/2016/02/24/ca-suffers-middle-class-migration/#comment-120927">CindyR</a>.</p>
<p>Me too!</p>
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		By: jason walther		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2016/02/24/ca-suffers-middle-class-migration/#comment-140216</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jason walther]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Nov 2017 06:46:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://calwatchdog.com/2016/02/24/ca-suffers-middle-class-migration/#comment-120885&quot;&gt;Richard Rider&lt;/a&gt;.

I dont know what planet you live on]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://calwatchdog.com/2016/02/24/ca-suffers-middle-class-migration/#comment-120885">Richard Rider</a>.</p>
<p>I dont know what planet you live on</p>
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		By: Cali Refugee		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2016/02/24/ca-suffers-middle-class-migration/#comment-137728</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cali Refugee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jun 2017 16:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://calwatchdog.com/2016/02/24/ca-suffers-middle-class-migration/#comment-120883&quot;&gt;ricky65&lt;/a&gt;.

So vividly explained thank you.  At least one person understands what it&#039;s like to be part of the conservative underground &quot;resistance&quot; in this mental asylum of a state. The Disney example in this thread is appropriate since both organizations seem to be based in fantasy rather than reality. 

My local government is living the same dream-world as they are adding housing for more than 5000 new residents within a mile from my house.   There are no new roads or infrastructure planned to support these new developments in the downtown area of Fullerton. 

&quot;So they loaded up the truck and they moved to Beverly...TEXAS that is oil pools, Lone Stars...&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://calwatchdog.com/2016/02/24/ca-suffers-middle-class-migration/#comment-120883">ricky65</a>.</p>
<p>So vividly explained thank you.  At least one person understands what it&#8217;s like to be part of the conservative underground &#8220;resistance&#8221; in this mental asylum of a state. The Disney example in this thread is appropriate since both organizations seem to be based in fantasy rather than reality. </p>
<p>My local government is living the same dream-world as they are adding housing for more than 5000 new residents within a mile from my house.   There are no new roads or infrastructure planned to support these new developments in the downtown area of Fullerton. </p>
<p>&#8220;So they loaded up the truck and they moved to Beverly&#8230;TEXAS that is oil pools, Lone Stars&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		By: Desmonic		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2016/02/24/ca-suffers-middle-class-migration/#comment-137127</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Desmonic]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jun 2017 19:25:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://calwatchdog.com/2016/02/24/ca-suffers-middle-class-migration/#comment-120884&quot;&gt;Richard Rider&lt;/a&gt;.

So ... Splain to me why the state need more housing if the population keeps shrinking and the &quot;illegals&quot; all live in one house in San Jose?]]></description>
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<p>So &#8230; Splain to me why the state need more housing if the population keeps shrinking and the &#8220;illegals&#8221; all live in one house in San Jose?</p>
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		By: Me123		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2016/02/24/ca-suffers-middle-class-migration/#comment-130836</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Me123]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Mar 2017 17:53:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s actually the poor, and some middle class, that are mostly fleeing due to housing costs.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s actually the poor, and some middle class, that are mostly fleeing due to housing costs.</p>
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