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		By: O"Moore		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2016/08/30/court-ruling-opens-avenue-pension-reform/#comment-135943</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[O"Moore]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 May 2017 16:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Articles like this that fail to recognize that the current salary/pension disaster in Ca. was created by crooked due process and is maintained by crooked due process and crooked government administrators and lawyers. That omission implies that the system can be corrected by due process, but that has failed. The reason for this approach is because it is politically effortless, let a bunch of politicians float an initiative and then cry when the crooks take it apart. writers should fight for reforms that are clearly available now: reduce salaries and freeze them until the costs and deficits are eliminated. It is simple: find reformers with the guts to take on the crooks, then get them elected.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Articles like this that fail to recognize that the current salary/pension disaster in Ca. was created by crooked due process and is maintained by crooked due process and crooked government administrators and lawyers. That omission implies that the system can be corrected by due process, but that has failed. The reason for this approach is because it is politically effortless, let a bunch of politicians float an initiative and then cry when the crooks take it apart. writers should fight for reforms that are clearly available now: reduce salaries and freeze them until the costs and deficits are eliminated. It is simple: find reformers with the guts to take on the crooks, then get them elected.</p>
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		By: Russell Jure		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2016/08/30/court-ruling-opens-avenue-pension-reform/#comment-135927</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Russell Jure]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 May 2017 13:16:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[*There are certainly a lot of details like that to take into consideration. That is a great point to bring up. I offer the thoughts above as general inspiration but clearly there are questions like the one you bring up where the most important thing will be working in honest good faith. I don?t know if best practices have emerged around things like that, but I am sure that your job is clearly identified as a fair game. Both boys and girls feel the impact of just a moment?s pleasure, for the rest of their lives.

http://www.evictionlaw.org]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*There are certainly a lot of details like that to take into consideration. That is a great point to bring up. I offer the thoughts above as general inspiration but clearly there are questions like the one you bring up where the most important thing will be working in honest good faith. I don?t know if best practices have emerged around things like that, but I am sure that your job is clearly identified as a fair game. Both boys and girls feel the impact of just a moment?s pleasure, for the rest of their lives.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.evictionlaw.org" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.evictionlaw.org</a></p>
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		By: Tough Love		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2016/08/30/court-ruling-opens-avenue-pension-reform/#comment-122578</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tough Love]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Sep 2016 19:32:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://calwatchdog.com/2016/08/30/court-ruling-opens-avenue-pension-reform/#comment-122560&quot;&gt;Your Mentor--T. Tedly Steele&lt;/a&gt;.

Yeah, my thinking that the insatiable greed and oversized entitlement mentality of Public Sector workers/retirees (such as yourself) is sooooooooooo wrong, makes me  a &quot;clown&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://calwatchdog.com/2016/08/30/court-ruling-opens-avenue-pension-reform/#comment-122560">Your Mentor&#8211;T. Tedly Steele</a>.</p>
<p>Yeah, my thinking that the insatiable greed and oversized entitlement mentality of Public Sector workers/retirees (such as yourself) is sooooooooooo wrong, makes me  a &#8220;clown&#8221;.</p>
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		By: SeeSaw		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2016/08/30/court-ruling-opens-avenue-pension-reform/#comment-122575</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SeeSaw]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Sep 2016 02:28:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://calwatchdog.com/2016/08/30/court-ruling-opens-avenue-pension-reform/#comment-122561&quot;&gt;Dr. Nork&lt;/a&gt;.

Could you at least try to talk intelligently about the issues!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://calwatchdog.com/2016/08/30/court-ruling-opens-avenue-pension-reform/#comment-122561">Dr. Nork</a>.</p>
<p>Could you at least try to talk intelligently about the issues!</p>
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		By: T Ted CWD Hero		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2016/08/30/court-ruling-opens-avenue-pension-reform/#comment-122565</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[T Ted CWD Hero]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2016 23:25:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[OMG CWD   We need ore pension doomer rehash pieces--- notice all of us trolls come out for these!!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OMG CWD   We need ore pension doomer rehash pieces&#8212; notice all of us trolls come out for these!!!</p>
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		By: Dr. Nork		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2016/08/30/court-ruling-opens-avenue-pension-reform/#comment-122561</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dr. Nork]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2016 16:18:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[All pensions above $40000 per year should be taxed at 85% and given to African Americans. Anyone opposed to this is racist. Period .
Black Lives Matter.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All pensions above $40000 per year should be taxed at 85% and given to African Americans. Anyone opposed to this is racist. Period .<br />
Black Lives Matter.</p>
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		By: Your Mentor--T. Tedly Steele		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2016/08/30/court-ruling-opens-avenue-pension-reform/#comment-122560</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Your Mentor--T. Tedly Steele]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2016 02:08:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://calwatchdog.com/2016/08/30/court-ruling-opens-avenue-pension-reform/#comment-122554&quot;&gt;Tough Love&lt;/a&gt;.

T Love?  100 million? 100 Trillion? 60 Trillion? ---  WHAT are you rambling about? Are you drinkin again?

lmao---- a-- clown]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://calwatchdog.com/2016/08/30/court-ruling-opens-avenue-pension-reform/#comment-122554">Tough Love</a>.</p>
<p>T Love?  100 million? 100 Trillion? 60 Trillion? &#8212;  WHAT are you rambling about? Are you drinkin again?</p>
<p>lmao&#8212;- a&#8211; clown</p>
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		By: Tough Love		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2016/08/30/court-ruling-opens-avenue-pension-reform/#comment-122557</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tough Love]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Sep 2016 23:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://calwatchdog.com/2016/08/30/court-ruling-opens-avenue-pension-reform/#comment-122556&quot;&gt;john m. moore&lt;/a&gt;.

It&#039;s doesn&#039;t take much grey matter to understand that it&#039;s 100% of the Plan LIABILITIES (not Plan ASSETS) that must earn the Plan interest rate (e.g., 7.5%) for the Plan not to LOSE ground (as to it&#039;s funding level).  

If a Plan is say 60% funded,  it&#039;s assets must earn 7.5%/0.6 = 12.5% just to maintain the current funding level.  Is that even remotely possible ?

Light-bulb changers don&#039;t seem to get it .... or perhaps choose to ignore it because it conflicts with their agenda to have Taxpayers keep shoveling more and more of their hard-earned money to support these unnecessary, unjust, unfair, unsustainable, and grossly excessive pension (AND benefit) &quot;promises.

ALL of these Plan should be frozen (zero future growth) for the future service of all CURRENT workers.  And that&#039; s JUST to stop digging the financial hole we are in deeper every day.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://calwatchdog.com/2016/08/30/court-ruling-opens-avenue-pension-reform/#comment-122556">john m. moore</a>.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s doesn&#8217;t take much grey matter to understand that it&#8217;s 100% of the Plan LIABILITIES (not Plan ASSETS) that must earn the Plan interest rate (e.g., 7.5%) for the Plan not to LOSE ground (as to it&#8217;s funding level).  </p>
<p>If a Plan is say 60% funded,  it&#8217;s assets must earn 7.5%/0.6 = 12.5% just to maintain the current funding level.  Is that even remotely possible ?</p>
<p>Light-bulb changers don&#8217;t seem to get it &#8230;. or perhaps choose to ignore it because it conflicts with their agenda to have Taxpayers keep shoveling more and more of their hard-earned money to support these unnecessary, unjust, unfair, unsustainable, and grossly excessive pension (AND benefit) &#8220;promises.</p>
<p>ALL of these Plan should be frozen (zero future growth) for the future service of all CURRENT workers.  And that&#8217; s JUST to stop digging the financial hole we are in deeper every day.</p>
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		By: john m. moore		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2016/08/30/court-ruling-opens-avenue-pension-reform/#comment-122556</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[john m. moore]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Sep 2016 21:50:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://calwatchdog.com/2016/08/30/court-ruling-opens-avenue-pension-reform/#comment-122555&quot;&gt;S Moderation Douglas&lt;/a&gt;.

See David Cranes piece today(Sept 4th) Regardless of the Calpers numbers, the liability to pay benefits grows and grows and grows. When PERS earned its 7.5% deficits grew out of control. My point: all of the comparing this with that is silly if the deficit continues to grow as it has. Hence Prof Rauh predicts that in just eight years most pension systems will not be able to pay full pensions]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://calwatchdog.com/2016/08/30/court-ruling-opens-avenue-pension-reform/#comment-122555">S Moderation Douglas</a>.</p>
<p>See David Cranes piece today(Sept 4th) Regardless of the Calpers numbers, the liability to pay benefits grows and grows and grows. When PERS earned its 7.5% deficits grew out of control. My point: all of the comparing this with that is silly if the deficit continues to grow as it has. Hence Prof Rauh predicts that in just eight years most pension systems will not be able to pay full pensions</p>
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		By: S Moderation Douglas		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2016/08/30/court-ruling-opens-avenue-pension-reform/#comment-122555</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[S Moderation Douglas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Sep 2016 20:54:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hmmm...  math.

And assumptions.

What could go wrong?

My favorite... when you do the math, and use assumptions ( even when actual data is available)..

And compute the incorrect answer to two decimal places.


Math. The only place where people buy 60 watermelons and no one wonders why.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm&#8230;  math.</p>
<p>And assumptions.</p>
<p>What could go wrong?</p>
<p>My favorite&#8230; when you do the math, and use assumptions ( even when actual data is available)..</p>
<p>And compute the incorrect answer to two decimal places.</p>
<p>Math. The only place where people buy 60 watermelons and no one wonders why.</p>
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