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	Comments on: Proposed ballot measure would ask if California should join a national popular vote movement &#8212; but the state already did	</title>
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		By: oldgulph		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2016/12/30/proposed-ballot-measure-ask-california-join-national-popular-vote-movement-state-already/#comment-123467</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jan 2017 21:22:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://calwatchdog.com/2016/12/30/proposed-ballot-measure-ask-california-join-national-popular-vote-movement-state-already/#comment-123458&quot;&gt;Bill - San Jose&lt;/a&gt;.

The actions taken by the Founding Fathers make it clear that they never gave their imprimatur to the winner-take-all method. The winner-take-all method of awarding electoral votes became dominant only in the 1830s, when most of the Founders had been dead for decades, after the states adopted it, one-by-one, in order to maximize the power of the party in power in each state. 
		
The constitutional wording does not encourage, discourage, require, or prohibit the use of any particular method for awarding a state&#039;s electoral votes.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://calwatchdog.com/2016/12/30/proposed-ballot-measure-ask-california-join-national-popular-vote-movement-state-already/#comment-123458">Bill &#8211; San Jose</a>.</p>
<p>The actions taken by the Founding Fathers make it clear that they never gave their imprimatur to the winner-take-all method. The winner-take-all method of awarding electoral votes became dominant only in the 1830s, when most of the Founders had been dead for decades, after the states adopted it, one-by-one, in order to maximize the power of the party in power in each state. </p>
<p>The constitutional wording does not encourage, discourage, require, or prohibit the use of any particular method for awarding a state&#8217;s electoral votes.</p>
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		By: oldgulph		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[oldgulph]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jan 2017 21:21:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://calwatchdog.com/2016/12/30/proposed-ballot-measure-ask-california-join-national-popular-vote-movement-state-already/#comment-123458&quot;&gt;Bill - San Jose&lt;/a&gt;.

Voters in the biggest cities are almost exactly balanced out by rural areas in terms of population and partisan composition.

16%  of the U.S. population lives outside the nation&#039;s Metropolitan Statistical Areas.  Rural America has voted 60% Republican. None of the 10 most rural states matter now.

16%  of the U.S. population lives in the top 100 cities. They voted 63% Democratic in 2004. 
The population of the top 50 cities (going as far down as Arlington, TX) is only 15% of the population of the United States. 
 	
Suburbs divide almost exactly equally between Republicans and Democrats.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://calwatchdog.com/2016/12/30/proposed-ballot-measure-ask-california-join-national-popular-vote-movement-state-already/#comment-123458">Bill &#8211; San Jose</a>.</p>
<p>Voters in the biggest cities are almost exactly balanced out by rural areas in terms of population and partisan composition.</p>
<p>16%  of the U.S. population lives outside the nation&#8217;s Metropolitan Statistical Areas.  Rural America has voted 60% Republican. None of the 10 most rural states matter now.</p>
<p>16%  of the U.S. population lives in the top 100 cities. They voted 63% Democratic in 2004.<br />
The population of the top 50 cities (going as far down as Arlington, TX) is only 15% of the population of the United States. </p>
<p>Suburbs divide almost exactly equally between Republicans and Democrats.</p>
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		By: oldgulph		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2016/12/30/proposed-ballot-measure-ask-california-join-national-popular-vote-movement-state-already/#comment-123465</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[oldgulph]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jan 2017 21:20:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://calwatchdog.com/2016/12/30/proposed-ballot-measure-ask-california-join-national-popular-vote-movement-state-already/#comment-123457&quot;&gt;Bill - San Jose&lt;/a&gt;.

Before this election, in Gallup polls since they began asking in 1944, only about 20% of the public has supported the current system of awarding all of a state&#039;s electoral votes to the presidential candidate who receives the most votes in each separate state (not mentioned in the U.S. Constitution, but later enacted by 48 states) (with about 70% opposed and about 10% undecided).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://calwatchdog.com/2016/12/30/proposed-ballot-measure-ask-california-join-national-popular-vote-movement-state-already/#comment-123457">Bill &#8211; San Jose</a>.</p>
<p>Before this election, in Gallup polls since they began asking in 1944, only about 20% of the public has supported the current system of awarding all of a state&#8217;s electoral votes to the presidential candidate who receives the most votes in each separate state (not mentioned in the U.S. Constitution, but later enacted by 48 states) (with about 70% opposed and about 10% undecided).</p>
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		By: oldgulph		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2016/12/30/proposed-ballot-measure-ask-california-join-national-popular-vote-movement-state-already/#comment-123464</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[oldgulph]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jan 2017 21:19:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://calwatchdog.com/2016/12/30/proposed-ballot-measure-ask-california-join-national-popular-vote-movement-state-already/#comment-123457&quot;&gt;Bill - San Jose&lt;/a&gt;.

On 60 Minutes on November 13, 2016, President-Elect Trump reaffirmed his long-standing opposition to the current method of electing the President and said:
 “ I would rather see it, where you went with simple votes. You know, you get 100 million votes, and somebody else gets 90 million votes, and you win.  There’s a reason for doing this.  Because it brings all the states into play.”  

In 2012, Trump tweeted, &quot;the Electoral College is a disaster for a democracy&quot; and called it &quot;a total sham and a travesty.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://calwatchdog.com/2016/12/30/proposed-ballot-measure-ask-california-join-national-popular-vote-movement-state-already/#comment-123457">Bill &#8211; San Jose</a>.</p>
<p>On 60 Minutes on November 13, 2016, President-Elect Trump reaffirmed his long-standing opposition to the current method of electing the President and said:<br />
 “ I would rather see it, where you went with simple votes. You know, you get 100 million votes, and somebody else gets 90 million votes, and you win.  There’s a reason for doing this.  Because it brings all the states into play.”  </p>
<p>In 2012, Trump tweeted, &#8220;the Electoral College is a disaster for a democracy&#8221; and called it &#8220;a total sham and a travesty.&#8221;</p>
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		By: ricky65		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ricky65]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jan 2017 17:31:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://calwatchdog.com/2016/12/30/proposed-ballot-measure-ask-california-join-national-popular-vote-movement-state-already/#comment-123456&quot;&gt;Mike&lt;/a&gt;.

Jeez, yes. When I set out to reply to some of oldgulph&#039;s regurgitations I did not realize I&#039;d be debating an effing robot programmed by the DNC.
Maybe CWD needs one of those &#039;captcha&#039; things that says: &#039;I am not a robot&#039;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://calwatchdog.com/2016/12/30/proposed-ballot-measure-ask-california-join-national-popular-vote-movement-state-already/#comment-123456">Mike</a>.</p>
<p>Jeez, yes. When I set out to reply to some of oldgulph&#8217;s regurgitations I did not realize I&#8217;d be debating an effing robot programmed by the DNC.<br />
Maybe CWD needs one of those &#8216;captcha&#8217; things that says: &#8216;I am not a robot&#8217;.</p>
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		By: Ulysses Uhaul		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2016/12/30/proposed-ballot-measure-ask-california-join-national-popular-vote-movement-state-already/#comment-123461</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ulysses Uhaul]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jan 2017 07:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://calwatchdog.com/2016/12/30/proposed-ballot-measure-ask-california-join-national-popular-vote-movement-state-already/#comment-123456&quot;&gt;Mike&lt;/a&gt;.

What dank ancient cave and tribe he from?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://calwatchdog.com/2016/12/30/proposed-ballot-measure-ask-california-join-national-popular-vote-movement-state-already/#comment-123456">Mike</a>.</p>
<p>What dank ancient cave and tribe he from?</p>
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		By: Ulysses Uhaul		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ulysses Uhaul]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jan 2017 07:17:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[No one reads boring TOMES. ........enough with nonsense and self adulation......no mas!

Short and pithy!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No one reads boring TOMES. &#8230;&#8230;..enough with nonsense and self adulation&#8230;&#8230;no mas!</p>
<p>Short and pithy!</p>
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		By: Bill Gore		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bill Gore]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jan 2017 04:56:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The left loves to change the rules after they lose, then they inevitably get bitten in the ASS. Example:Harry Reid&#039;s changing of the filibuster rules in the Senate. OOPS! Now Schumer says the old rules apply. Uh no, Chuck, rules is rules.....
Change the presidential election to popular vote and, as day follows night, the next democrat presidential candidate will lose the popular vote but would have won the electoral college.Democrats need to sit down and talk about the fact that Hillary was just an AWFUL candidate. She lost because she DESERVED to lose, EVEN DESPITE THE FACT THAT SHE DOES INDEED HAVE A VAGINA!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The left loves to change the rules after they lose, then they inevitably get bitten in the ASS. Example:Harry Reid&#8217;s changing of the filibuster rules in the Senate. OOPS! Now Schumer says the old rules apply. Uh no, Chuck, rules is rules&#8230;..<br />
Change the presidential election to popular vote and, as day follows night, the next democrat presidential candidate will lose the popular vote but would have won the electoral college.Democrats need to sit down and talk about the fact that Hillary was just an AWFUL candidate. She lost because she DESERVED to lose, EVEN DESPITE THE FACT THAT SHE DOES INDEED HAVE A VAGINA!</p>
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		By: Bill - San Jose		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bill - San Jose]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jan 2017 04:48:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://calwatchdog.com/2016/12/30/proposed-ballot-measure-ask-california-join-national-popular-vote-movement-state-already/#comment-123453&quot;&gt;Lb1&lt;/a&gt;.

Fact shows you are right.  If not for large, communist population centers, she lost in a landslide.

God Bless the founders for knowing better.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://calwatchdog.com/2016/12/30/proposed-ballot-measure-ask-california-join-national-popular-vote-movement-state-already/#comment-123453">Lb1</a>.</p>
<p>Fact shows you are right.  If not for large, communist population centers, she lost in a landslide.</p>
<p>God Bless the founders for knowing better.</p>
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		By: Bill - San Jose		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bill - San Jose]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jan 2017 04:46:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[When the Constitution is used, abused actually, for the protection of the minority voice ... but then it becomes a nuisance when the majority of large city dwellers are unhappy, you can tell anyone who thinks this all but perfect system is antiquated or not correct to kiss my hairy ass.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When the Constitution is used, abused actually, for the protection of the minority voice &#8230; but then it becomes a nuisance when the majority of large city dwellers are unhappy, you can tell anyone who thinks this all but perfect system is antiquated or not correct to kiss my hairy ass.</p>
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