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		<title>Crunch time: Chargers staying, Raiders Vegas-bound?</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jan 2017 16:09:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The fate of two of California’s four NFL teams should become much clearer this week. The Chargers have to decide by Sunday, Jan. 15, whether to exercise their option to]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="font-weight: 400;"><img fetchpriority="high" decoding="async" class="alignnone size-full wp-image-81193" src="http://calwatchdog.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Chargers-e1483944316524.jpg" alt="" width="400" height="266" align="right" hspace="20" />The fate of two of California’s four NFL teams should become much clearer this week. The Chargers </span><a href="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/01/04/clock-is-ticking-for-the-chargers/" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><span style="font-weight: 400;">have to decide </span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;">by Sunday, Jan. 15, whether to exercise their option to share a $1.7 billion stadium being built in Inglewood by the Rams or to stay in San Diego despite voters’ sharp rejection of a Nov. 8 ballot measure to use an increase in the hotel room tax to contribute hundreds of millions of public dollars to build a billion-dollar-plus stadium in the city’s lively downtown.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-weight: 400;">If the Chargers decide to stay put, then as of Jan. 16, the Raiders will have the option to move in with the Rams.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-weight: 400;">The early 2016 conventional wisdom &#8212; bolstered by a seemingly definitive early December </span><a href="http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/18183812/san-diego-chargers-exercise-team-option-move-los-angeles-2017" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><span style="font-weight: 400;">leak </span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;">by Chargers officials to ESPN and by fan anger over the team’s latest bad season &#8212; was that the Chargers were sure to move without big taxpayer subsidies for a new stadium. The assumption also was that the Raiders would jump at the chance to go to Los Angeles if the Chargers passed on the opportunity.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-weight: 400;">The new conventional wisdom, however, suggests there is a fairly good chance the </span><a href="http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/sports/PREDICTION-Chargers-Will-Stay-in-San-Diego-409961235.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><span style="font-weight: 400;">Chargers will remain</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;"> in San Diego using an aging Qualcomm Stadium in Mission Valley that they despise. It also holds that the Raiders will bolt for Las Vegas, possibly after getting </span><a href="http://www.ktvu.com/news/113506780-story" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><span style="font-weight: 400;">extensions </span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;">to keep using the Oakland Coliseum for two more years while their Nevada stadium is built. </span></p>
<h4>Fans turned on Rams in first year back in L.A.</h4>
<p><span style="font-weight: 400;">The financial appeal of being a second team relocating to Los Angeles lost much of its allure when the Los Angeles Rams’ first season back in town went badly. Fans and sports talk-radio turned on the team as an awful 4-12 season unfolded, leading to tens of thousands of </span><a href="http://thebiglead.com/2016/12/11/los-angeles-rams-already-cant-fill-their-stadium/" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><span style="font-weight: 400;">sold but unfilled seats </span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;">in the Los Angeles Coliseum. Suddenly, the NFL was reminded of the apathy on display when the Rams and Raiders left for St. Louis and Oakland, respectively, in 1994. Unless NFL teams are winners, Los Angeles residents have not been heavily supportive. “Their hearts are with the Dodgers and the Lakers &#8212; period,” the late L.A. sportscaster Joe McDonnell liked to say. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-weight: 400;">There are other financial factors as well. If they moved to Los Angeles, the Chargers would have to pay relocation fees to the other 31 teams totaling either $550 million or $650 million, depending on whether it was a flat payment or a 10-year payment plan. Once there, Rams owner Stan Kroenke would either expect them to pay millions of dollars in annual rent or to contribute heavily to the cost of building the stadium; he might also ask for some of both. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-weight: 400;">But in San Diego, as a Sunday Union-Tribune </span><a href="http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/business/columnists/dan-mcswain/sd-fi-mcswain-chargers-business-case-for-staying-san-diego-20170108-story.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><span style="font-weight: 400;">analysis </span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;">noted, the Chargers pay “negative rent.” “From 2006 to 2015, San Diego paid the Chargers $3.2 million for the privilege of playing there, as $25.9 million in rent credits offset $22.7 million in rent,” the analysis noted. The lease is up in 2020, but few expect City Hall to strike a hard bargain if the team remains.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-weight: 400;">Los Angeles losing its appeal isn’t the problem for Raiders owner Mark Davis that it is for Chargers owner Dean Spanos. Davis has been eyeing a move to Las Vegas for nearly a year and has </span><a href="http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/17389320/oakland-raiders-file-trademark-las-vegas-raiders" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><span style="font-weight: 400;">already trademarked</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;"> the “Las Vegas Raiders.” The Nevada Legislature has committed to providing $750 million toward a stadium, meaning that if the NFL and the Raiders commit $400 million to $500 million, the funding is firming up for a modern, suite-laden NFL stadium in a booming metropolitan area eager for its first team in the big three of North American pro sports leagues.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-weight: 400;">Oakland officials have been more strongly opposed to taxpayer stadium subsidies than San Diego officials.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-weight: 400;">As San Jose Mercury-News columnist Tim Kawakami joked after the Raiders ended a strong 12-4 season with a loss in the first round of the playoffs, the team’s future is bright &#8212; but it very well might be </span><a href="http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/01/07/did-the-raiders-just-end-their-last-purely-oakland-season-huge-progress-a-playoff-berth-but-so-much-uncertainty-ahead/" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><span style="font-weight: 400;">in Las Vegas</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;">.</span></p>
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		<title>NFL saga: Rough day for San Diego, Oakland fans</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[There hasn&#8217;t been much hard news for months in coverage of which NFL team or teams will relocate to Los Angeles, with reporters not having many insights to offer beyond]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img decoding="async" class="alignnone size-medium wp-image-62125" src="http://calwatchdog.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/new-l-a-nfl-team-would-be-a-wast-300x225.jpg" alt="New L.A. NFL team would be a waste" width="293" height="220" align="right" hspace="20" srcset="https://calwatchdog.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/new-l-a-nfl-team-would-be-a-wast-300x225.jpg 300w, https://calwatchdog.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/new-l-a-nfl-team-would-be-a-wast.jpg 480w" sizes="(max-width: 293px) 100vw, 293px" />There hasn&#8217;t been much hard news for months in coverage of which NFL team or teams will relocate to Los Angeles, with reporters not having many insights to offer beyond a sense that the St. Louis Rams might have the upper hand with Commissioner Roger Goodell and the league because their stadium venture in Inglewood is further along and their owner, Stan Kroenke, is by far the richest of the teams interested in a move. This vague status quo was rocked Wednesday with an announcement from the Chargers. Dan McSwain, a Union-Tribune business columnist, <a href="http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/2015/nov/11/chargers-raiders-disney-la-nfl-stadium/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">explains</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p>In a move that considerably increases their odds of leaving San Diego, the Chargers announced Wednesday a new leader for their Carson stadium project — Bob Iger, the chairman and chief executive of the Walt Disney Company.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>The deal matches the team with arguably the world’s most successful and powerful entertainment-industry executive. In addition, Iger received an option to become a minority owner of the Chargers or the Oakland Raiders, the team’s partner on the Carson project.  &#8230;</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>For fans who hoped the Chargers were just using Carson to bluff San Diego officials into making a better stadium offer, the deal represents a serious setback. For the NFL’s 32 owners, it offers a soothing tonic to those worried that Chargers CEO Dean Spanos and Raiders owner Mark Davis might bungle the league’s reentry into Los Angeles, the nation’s second largest market.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Without question, the deal “has a dramatic impact,” said Marc Ganis, a sports consultant based in Chicago who helped the Raiders and Rams leave Los Angeles two decades ago. “At the risk of mixing sports metaphors, it’s a grand slam home run.”</p></blockquote>
<p>The Los Angeles Times framed the development in similar fashion:</p>
<blockquote><p>Carmen Policy, a former NFL executive who now serves as executive director of Carson Holdings, the joint venture between the Chargers and Raiders, called the addition of Iger a “game-changer.&#8221;</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>“We now have the kind of leadership and expertise that should calm any concerns about any NFL teams going into L.A. and getting off on the right foot and pursuing the right course,” Policy said. “Who could we get to better guarantee fan experience than the man who runs ‘the happiest place on earth?&#8217;”</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Iger would be chairman of Carson Holdings and would continue to serve as chairman and CEO of Disney under the terms of his contract.</p></blockquote>
<h3>&#8216;Get ready for Raiders to leave. Again&#8217;</h3>
<p><img decoding="async" class="alignnone size-full wp-image-79248" src="http://calwatchdog.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/250px-Oakland_Raiders.svg_.png" alt="250px-Oakland_Raiders.svg" width="250" height="250" align="right" hspace="20" srcset="https://calwatchdog.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/250px-Oakland_Raiders.svg_.png 250w, https://calwatchdog.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/250px-Oakland_Raiders.svg_-220x220.png 220w" sizes="(max-width: 250px) 100vw, 250px" />Bay Area News Group columnist Marcus Thompson noted the strong ties between Iger and the NFL and the fact that the league appears to want the Chargers and Raiders to add minority owners to beef up their finances before moving. He thinks the league is <a href="http://blogs.mercurynews.com/thompson/2015/11/11/1616/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">tipping its hand</a> about its preference:</p>
<blockquote><p>[The] connections and resources are there but the NFL and the Raiders prefer to use them for L.A. Not for Oakland. They’ll stay if they can make millions, even billions, off a new stadium if they only have to pay a portion of the cost. But if it’s all on them, they chose L.A.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>That makes sense, too. That’s the new landscape of sports. That small-time model doesn’t return the profits required when you consider how much all of this costs. These figures are getting so astronomical, the league and teams must do all they can to ensure a profit. And the return on investment, theoretically, stands to be much bigger in Los Angeles than in Oakland.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>That means, Raiders fans, start preparing for your Raiders to leave. Again.</p></blockquote>
<p>Mike Florio of Pro Football Talk has among the best NFL sources of any journalist. In league circles, he writes, the Iger announcement is also considered a <a href="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/11/11/carson-nfl-project-retains-disney-chairman-to-help-close-the-deal/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">big deal</a>:</p>
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<blockquote><p>The arrangement with Iger could be the key to getting enough owners to support a move by two teams to L.A., especially if one of them is the Raiders. Previously, the mood among the folks who run the sport was that the Raiders should stay in Oakland — unless owner Mark Davis sells the team or involves a partner with sufficient business acumen to help the franchise thrive in L.A. If Iger buys a piece of the Raiders, Iger could be the guy who helps Davis properly run the team in a more competitive market.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Until Iger leaves Disney and joins the Raiders, the president Iger hires to run the stadium presumably would, as a practical matter, assist the two teams who play there with the broader business challenges of operating in L.A.</p>
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<blockquote><p>With the ownership vote on L.A. looming, this could be the Hail Mary play by the folks in Carson that gets their attention, and that in turn makes the Christmas Eve meeting between the Chargers and Raiders in Oakland even more memorable. Possibly for all the wrong reasons.</p></blockquote>
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