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		By: Richard Rider		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2014/07/06/four-years-of-jc-down-the-drain/#comment-87912</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Rider]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2014 19:47:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://calwatchdog.com/2014/07/06/four-years-of-jc-down-the-drain/#comment-87409&quot;&gt;StevefromSacto&lt;/a&gt;.

Steve, the other states charge twice as much CC tuition.  In those 49 states, are &quot;only the rich entitled kids&quot; going to college?  What bilge you disseminate.

But then, as a full-time labor union-compensated lobbyist/troll, I would expect no less from you.

I realize that facts are your enemy, but every once in a while you might want to try to DEAL with facts rather than making absurd assertions that don&#039;t pass the giggle test.

Yes, viewing our state and local governments balance sheets, we are indeed a destitute state. As you so well know but will never admit, we owe hundreds of billions of dollars in future obligations with a deteriorating economy to pay the bills.

Yes, we are the 8th largest economy in the world.  In 1999, we were the FIFTH largest economy.  Our stately decline is aided by the fact that our immediate competitors are even more destitute -- Russia and Italy.

Finally, the size of our CA economy is less impressive when you consider the large POPULATION of our state.  Consider (warning -- facts about to be presented):
A better gauge is the per capita GDP.  Here are the 2012 figures:

CA —   $46,029
TX —   $46,498

More important, the Texas GDP is growing significantly faster than California’s.  And note that the GDP is NOT adjusted for inflation, nor for the unfunded liabilities of the two states (Texas is bad, but CA is far worse!).
https://bber.unm.edu/econ/st-gdp5.htm]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://calwatchdog.com/2014/07/06/four-years-of-jc-down-the-drain/#comment-87409">StevefromSacto</a>.</p>
<p>Steve, the other states charge twice as much CC tuition.  In those 49 states, are &#8220;only the rich entitled kids&#8221; going to college?  What bilge you disseminate.</p>
<p>But then, as a full-time labor union-compensated lobbyist/troll, I would expect no less from you.</p>
<p>I realize that facts are your enemy, but every once in a while you might want to try to DEAL with facts rather than making absurd assertions that don&#8217;t pass the giggle test.</p>
<p>Yes, viewing our state and local governments balance sheets, we are indeed a destitute state. As you so well know but will never admit, we owe hundreds of billions of dollars in future obligations with a deteriorating economy to pay the bills.</p>
<p>Yes, we are the 8th largest economy in the world.  In 1999, we were the FIFTH largest economy.  Our stately decline is aided by the fact that our immediate competitors are even more destitute &#8212; Russia and Italy.</p>
<p>Finally, the size of our CA economy is less impressive when you consider the large POPULATION of our state.  Consider (warning &#8212; facts about to be presented):<br />
A better gauge is the per capita GDP.  Here are the 2012 figures:</p>
<p>CA —   $46,029<br />
TX —   $46,498</p>
<p>More important, the Texas GDP is growing significantly faster than California’s.  And note that the GDP is NOT adjusted for inflation, nor for the unfunded liabilities of the two states (Texas is bad, but CA is far worse!).<br />
<a href="https://bber.unm.edu/econ/st-gdp5.htm" rel="nofollow ugc">https://bber.unm.edu/econ/st-gdp5.htm</a></p>
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		By: Ulysses Uhaul		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2014/07/06/four-years-of-jc-down-the-drain/#comment-87433</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ulysses Uhaul]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2014 04:31:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Richard Rider is correct. Few go and finish at University....student loans are heavily abused....higher tuition will only put them deeper in debt and take away some of their junk food and Iphones.....most students are improperly counseled or not properly and continually monitored to become potential University graduates.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard Rider is correct. Few go and finish at University&#8230;.student loans are heavily abused&#8230;.higher tuition will only put them deeper in debt and take away some of their junk food and Iphones&#8230;..most students are improperly counseled or not properly and continually monitored to become potential University graduates.</p>
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		By: StevefromSacto		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[StevefromSacto]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2014 00:26:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://calwatchdog.com/2014/07/06/four-years-of-jc-down-the-drain/#comment-87333&quot;&gt;Richard Rider&lt;/a&gt;.

If tuition goes up,  only the rich &quot;entitled&quot; kids will be able to go to college.  But maybe that&#039;s the whole idea. The rest of us should &quot;know our place.&quot;

FYI: &quot;California, a destitute state&quot;  now has the eighth largest economy in the world.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://calwatchdog.com/2014/07/06/four-years-of-jc-down-the-drain/#comment-87333">Richard Rider</a>.</p>
<p>If tuition goes up,  only the rich &#8220;entitled&#8221; kids will be able to go to college.  But maybe that&#8217;s the whole idea. The rest of us should &#8220;know our place.&#8221;</p>
<p>FYI: &#8220;California, a destitute state&#8221;  now has the eighth largest economy in the world.</p>
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		By: Bill Gore		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bill Gore]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2014 21:09:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Non-vocational community college is an even greater waste of time and money than university. A remedial high school. Our present K-12 educational system is a bowdlerized version of the German educational system circa 1875. The &#039;system&#039; of university education that is grafted onto this monstrosity seems designed to offer &#039;students&#039; four or more wasted aimless years earning a useless degree. All at a time when society NEEDS farmers, entrpreneurs, machinists, mechanics, people who can MAKE and PRODUCE.

If we do anything as a society about education we upgrade to the current German system: comprehensive aptitude testing at age 12 and 16, followed by serious vocational education that honors and respects the importance and value of &#039;blue collar&#039; work. Free or heavily subsidized university for those who qualify.

Presently Germany and Switzerland have very low unemployment rates, very high rates of labor force participation.
Factory workers in these countries are like high tech PhD&#039;s, and they are respected and compensated as such. Corporations invest in communities and the work force for the LONG TERM, not always moving on like locusts to the next low cost labor pool…..]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Non-vocational community college is an even greater waste of time and money than university. A remedial high school. Our present K-12 educational system is a bowdlerized version of the German educational system circa 1875. The &#8216;system&#8217; of university education that is grafted onto this monstrosity seems designed to offer &#8216;students&#8217; four or more wasted aimless years earning a useless degree. All at a time when society NEEDS farmers, entrpreneurs, machinists, mechanics, people who can MAKE and PRODUCE.</p>
<p>If we do anything as a society about education we upgrade to the current German system: comprehensive aptitude testing at age 12 and 16, followed by serious vocational education that honors and respects the importance and value of &#8216;blue collar&#8217; work. Free or heavily subsidized university for those who qualify.</p>
<p>Presently Germany and Switzerland have very low unemployment rates, very high rates of labor force participation.<br />
Factory workers in these countries are like high tech PhD&#8217;s, and they are respected and compensated as such. Corporations invest in communities and the work force for the LONG TERM, not always moving on like locusts to the next low cost labor pool…..</p>
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		By: John Seiler		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Seiler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2014 23:11:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://calwatchdog.com/2014/07/06/four-years-of-jc-down-the-drain/#comment-87324&quot;&gt;John&lt;/a&gt;.

John: You&#039;re right. I over-generalized. There are many JC students who are working hard in the evenings while working daytimes, and so take longer to graduate. I just was thinking of all the goof offs I&#039;ve known who took psychology, sociology and surfing classes for four years or longer.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://calwatchdog.com/2014/07/06/four-years-of-jc-down-the-drain/#comment-87324">John</a>.</p>
<p>John: You&#8217;re right. I over-generalized. There are many JC students who are working hard in the evenings while working daytimes, and so take longer to graduate. I just was thinking of all the goof offs I&#8217;ve known who took psychology, sociology and surfing classes for four years or longer.</p>
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		By: Richard Rider		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Rider]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2014 22:42:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[California, a destitute state, still gives away community college education at fire sale prices. Our CC tuition and fees are the lowest in the nation.  How low?  Nationwide, the average community college tuition and fees are more than double our California CC’s.   
http://trends.collegeboard.org/college-pricing/figures-tables/tuition-and-fees-sector-and-state-over-time 

This ridiculously low tuition devalues education to students – often resulting in a 25+% drop rate for class completion, sometimes worse in the liberal arts classes.  In addition, because of grants and tax credits, up to 2/3 of California CC students pay no net tuition at all!      http://tinyurl.com/ygqz9ls]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>California, a destitute state, still gives away community college education at fire sale prices. Our CC tuition and fees are the lowest in the nation.  How low?  Nationwide, the average community college tuition and fees are more than double our California CC’s.<br />
<a href="http://trends.collegeboard.org/college-pricing/figures-tables/tuition-and-fees-sector-and-state-over-time" rel="nofollow ugc">http://trends.collegeboard.org/college-pricing/figures-tables/tuition-and-fees-sector-and-state-over-time</a> </p>
<p>This ridiculously low tuition devalues education to students – often resulting in a 25+% drop rate for class completion, sometimes worse in the liberal arts classes.  In addition, because of grants and tax credits, up to 2/3 of California CC students pay no net tuition at all!      <a href="http://tinyurl.com/ygqz9ls" rel="nofollow ugc">http://tinyurl.com/ygqz9ls</a></p>
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		By: John		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2014 18:29:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[For the working man who could only take night classes at JC for 4 years: 
F.U. John Seiler.  I agree with the rest of your screed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the working man who could only take night classes at JC for 4 years:<br />
F.U. John Seiler.  I agree with the rest of your screed.</p>
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		By: Ulysses Uhaul		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ulysses Uhaul]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2014 17:58:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Bagdad Donkey wrong again.

Taught nineteen in JC and University in California. Most are dedicated and student centered and proud of the 
schools they work..... don&#039;t listen to CWD loons....believe....

Few are heavily compensated.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bagdad Donkey wrong again.</p>
<p>Taught nineteen in JC and University in California. Most are dedicated and student centered and proud of the<br />
schools they work&#8230;.. don&#8217;t listen to CWD loons&#8230;.believe&#8230;.</p>
<p>Few are heavily compensated.</p>
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		By: Donkey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Donkey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2014 13:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If a citizen really wants to know why education is so expensive then go to transparentcalifornia.com, paying professors working in a public job millions of dollars for working one or two days a week, and these are the people that coined the phrase &quot;one percenters,&quot; they are the biggest crooks of all  hiding behind the RAGWUS veil slurping at the public trough.    :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If a citizen really wants to know why education is so expensive then go to transparentcalifornia.com, paying professors working in a public job millions of dollars for working one or two days a week, and these are the people that coined the phrase &#8220;one percenters,&#8221; they are the biggest crooks of all  hiding behind the RAGWUS veil slurping at the public trough.    🙂</p>
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