Four years of JC down the drain

Four years of JC down the drain

bluto collegeOne of the best lines in the 1978 comedy “Animal House” occurs when the Delta frat rats have been thrown off campus, and Bluto groans, “Seven years of college down the drain.”

I was reminded of that when reading this report on how the median California community college student took 4.1 years to get through two years of college:

“We’re all talking about a college affordability crisis,” said Michele Siqueiros, executive director of the group that examined the graduation rates of the 2012-2013 graduates. “And time is part of that crisis.”

Of course, another part of that crisis is that a lot of those kids shouldn’t be in school at all. And a third part is that many classes are totally pointless. The fact is that, with free online services such as the Khan Academy, college now is worthless except as a place to have fun in the sun (at least in California) for four years or seven years, or maybe a dozen years if you throw in graduate and professional school.

Toga! Toga! Toga!

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  1. Donkey
    Donkey 6 July, 2014, 06:57

    If a citizen really wants to know why education is so expensive then go to transparentcalifornia.com, paying professors working in a public job millions of dollars for working one or two days a week, and these are the people that coined the phrase “one percenters,” they are the biggest crooks of all hiding behind the RAGWUS veil slurping at the public trough. 🙂

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  2. Ulysses Uhaul
    Ulysses Uhaul 6 July, 2014, 10:58

    Bagdad Donkey wrong again.

    Taught nineteen in JC and University in California. Most are dedicated and student centered and proud of the
    schools they work….. don’t listen to CWD loons….believe….

    Few are heavily compensated.

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  3. John
    John 6 July, 2014, 11:29

    For the working man who could only take night classes at JC for 4 years:
    F.U. John Seiler. I agree with the rest of your screed.

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    • John Seiler
      John Seiler Author 6 July, 2014, 16:11

      John: You’re right. I over-generalized. There are many JC students who are working hard in the evenings while working daytimes, and so take longer to graduate. I just was thinking of all the goof offs I’ve known who took psychology, sociology and surfing classes for four years or longer.

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  4. Richard Rider
    Richard Rider 6 July, 2014, 15:42

    California, a destitute state, still gives away community college education at fire sale prices. Our CC tuition and fees are the lowest in the nation. How low? Nationwide, the average community college tuition and fees are more than double our California CC’s.
    http://trends.collegeboard.org/college-pricing/figures-tables/tuition-and-fees-sector-and-state-over-time

    This ridiculously low tuition devalues education to students – often resulting in a 25+% drop rate for class completion, sometimes worse in the liberal arts classes. In addition, because of grants and tax credits, up to 2/3 of California CC students pay no net tuition at all! http://tinyurl.com/ygqz9ls

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    • StevefromSacto
      StevefromSacto 7 July, 2014, 17:26

      If tuition goes up, only the rich “entitled” kids will be able to go to college. But maybe that’s the whole idea. The rest of us should “know our place.”

      FYI: “California, a destitute state” now has the eighth largest economy in the world.

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      • Richard Rider
        Richard Rider 13 July, 2014, 12:47

        Steve, the other states charge twice as much CC tuition. In those 49 states, are “only the rich entitled kids” going to college? What bilge you disseminate.

        But then, as a full-time labor union-compensated lobbyist/troll, I would expect no less from you.

        I realize that facts are your enemy, but every once in a while you might want to try to DEAL with facts rather than making absurd assertions that don’t pass the giggle test.

        Yes, viewing our state and local governments balance sheets, we are indeed a destitute state. As you so well know but will never admit, we owe hundreds of billions of dollars in future obligations with a deteriorating economy to pay the bills.

        Yes, we are the 8th largest economy in the world. In 1999, we were the FIFTH largest economy. Our stately decline is aided by the fact that our immediate competitors are even more destitute — Russia and Italy.

        Finally, the size of our CA economy is less impressive when you consider the large POPULATION of our state. Consider (warning — facts about to be presented):
        A better gauge is the per capita GDP. Here are the 2012 figures:

        CA — $46,029
        TX — $46,498

        More important, the Texas GDP is growing significantly faster than California’s. And note that the GDP is NOT adjusted for inflation, nor for the unfunded liabilities of the two states (Texas is bad, but CA is far worse!).
        https://bber.unm.edu/econ/st-gdp5.htm

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  5. Bill Gore
    Bill Gore 7 July, 2014, 14:09

    Non-vocational community college is an even greater waste of time and money than university. A remedial high school. Our present K-12 educational system is a bowdlerized version of the German educational system circa 1875. The ‘system’ of university education that is grafted onto this monstrosity seems designed to offer ‘students’ four or more wasted aimless years earning a useless degree. All at a time when society NEEDS farmers, entrpreneurs, machinists, mechanics, people who can MAKE and PRODUCE.

    If we do anything as a society about education we upgrade to the current German system: comprehensive aptitude testing at age 12 and 16, followed by serious vocational education that honors and respects the importance and value of ‘blue collar’ work. Free or heavily subsidized university for those who qualify.

    Presently Germany and Switzerland have very low unemployment rates, very high rates of labor force participation.
    Factory workers in these countries are like high tech PhD’s, and they are respected and compensated as such. Corporations invest in communities and the work force for the LONG TERM, not always moving on like locusts to the next low cost labor pool…..

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  6. Ulysses Uhaul
    Ulysses Uhaul 7 July, 2014, 21:31

    Richard Rider is correct. Few go and finish at University….student loans are heavily abused….higher tuition will only put them deeper in debt and take away some of their junk food and Iphones…..most students are improperly counseled or not properly and continually monitored to become potential University graduates.

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