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		By: Concerned Senior Citizen		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2014/12/30/humorous-new-attack-on-prop-13/#comment-107320</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Concerned Senior Citizen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2015 05:56:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://calwatchdog.com/2014/12/30/humorous-new-attack-on-prop-13/#comment-107121&quot;&gt;SkippingDog&lt;/a&gt;.

I think California was growing rapidly in the 1950&#039;s and 1960&#039;s, thus tax collections were expanding rapidly and expenditures for infrastructure were also expanding as a result. Student K-12 enrollment peaked in 1968-69 as I recall, so I presume the big boom in California started to slow in the 1970&#039;s. Prop 13 was not and is not the cause of infrastructure decline. That is due to low prioritization of infrastructure maintenance relative to other &quot;needs&quot;(infrastructure doesn&#039;t lobby politicians for maintenance dollars and does not vote). 
As regards the air, I do not know how much it cost all of us, and will continue to cost us, for the cleaner air in LA but I am comfortable paying it. I do have concerns about going much further with air improvements ... e.g. the bans on small engines in Central Valley farming lands. I do support requiring locomotives to shutdown if parked for more than an hour...no idling all night. Same with big trucks. It seems like some of the solutions for a 1% improvement in air quality are going to cost way to much.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://calwatchdog.com/2014/12/30/humorous-new-attack-on-prop-13/#comment-107121">SkippingDog</a>.</p>
<p>I think California was growing rapidly in the 1950&#8217;s and 1960&#8217;s, thus tax collections were expanding rapidly and expenditures for infrastructure were also expanding as a result. Student K-12 enrollment peaked in 1968-69 as I recall, so I presume the big boom in California started to slow in the 1970&#8217;s. Prop 13 was not and is not the cause of infrastructure decline. That is due to low prioritization of infrastructure maintenance relative to other &#8220;needs&#8221;(infrastructure doesn&#8217;t lobby politicians for maintenance dollars and does not vote).<br />
As regards the air, I do not know how much it cost all of us, and will continue to cost us, for the cleaner air in LA but I am comfortable paying it. I do have concerns about going much further with air improvements &#8230; e.g. the bans on small engines in Central Valley farming lands. I do support requiring locomotives to shutdown if parked for more than an hour&#8230;no idling all night. Same with big trucks. It seems like some of the solutions for a 1% improvement in air quality are going to cost way to much.</p>
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		By: Concerned Senior Citizen		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2014/12/30/humorous-new-attack-on-prop-13/#comment-107314</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2015 05:32:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://calwatchdog.com/2014/12/30/humorous-new-attack-on-prop-13/#comment-107067&quot;&gt;Watchfuleye2&lt;/a&gt;.

I did read the entire statement and agree with it, except for the mis-spelling of Democrat. God bless Prop 13. As regards the split roll idea, I can&#039;t support it because that will remove businesses from the pro-13 coalition and then we will eventually lose 13. I don&#039;t like the current arrangement vis-à-vis transfer of commercial property at old rates by including an old owner in the new company(thus reducing the overall ratio of commercial to total prop tax collections in the past 40 years) I will tolerate that to keep the Prop 13 coalition intact. 

Also, the public pension spiking nonsense has to stop! We, the taxpaying people, will have to pay for this eventually...unless the State and local governments can declare bankruptcy...local governments can but not the State. Perhaps the People&#039;s Republic of California will get a loan from Uncle Sam, who gets its money from the People&#039;s Republic of China. When California eventually goes to the feds for a loan, I hope the other 49 States say no!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://calwatchdog.com/2014/12/30/humorous-new-attack-on-prop-13/#comment-107067">Watchfuleye2</a>.</p>
<p>I did read the entire statement and agree with it, except for the mis-spelling of Democrat. God bless Prop 13. As regards the split roll idea, I can&#8217;t support it because that will remove businesses from the pro-13 coalition and then we will eventually lose 13. I don&#8217;t like the current arrangement vis-à-vis transfer of commercial property at old rates by including an old owner in the new company(thus reducing the overall ratio of commercial to total prop tax collections in the past 40 years) I will tolerate that to keep the Prop 13 coalition intact. </p>
<p>Also, the public pension spiking nonsense has to stop! We, the taxpaying people, will have to pay for this eventually&#8230;unless the State and local governments can declare bankruptcy&#8230;local governments can but not the State. Perhaps the People&#8217;s Republic of California will get a loan from Uncle Sam, who gets its money from the People&#8217;s Republic of China. When California eventually goes to the feds for a loan, I hope the other 49 States say no!</p>
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		By: SkippingDog		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2014/12/30/humorous-new-attack-on-prop-13/#comment-107237</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2015 04:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://calwatchdog.com/2014/12/30/humorous-new-attack-on-prop-13/#comment-107003&quot;&gt;SkippingDog&lt;/a&gt;.

Here&#039;s a better link:

http://scholarship.law.duke.edu/faculty_scholarship/3300/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://calwatchdog.com/2014/12/30/humorous-new-attack-on-prop-13/#comment-107003">SkippingDog</a>.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a better link:</p>
<p><a href="http://scholarship.law.duke.edu/faculty_scholarship/3300/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://scholarship.law.duke.edu/faculty_scholarship/3300/</a></p>
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		By: Watchfuleye2		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2014/12/30/humorous-new-attack-on-prop-13/#comment-107200</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2015 18:19:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://calwatchdog.com/2014/12/30/humorous-new-attack-on-prop-13/#comment-107111&quot;&gt;JBro&lt;/a&gt;.

Well said jBRO!
Skippingdog&#039;s name should be SlumDog!  Because that is what he is promoting for everyone!  The reason he is &quot;Skipping&quot; is probably because he benefits from excess taxes!  A fricking IDIOT and EXTORTIONIST!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://calwatchdog.com/2014/12/30/humorous-new-attack-on-prop-13/#comment-107111">JBro</a>.</p>
<p>Well said jBRO!<br />
Skippingdog&#8217;s name should be SlumDog!  Because that is what he is promoting for everyone!  The reason he is &#8220;Skipping&#8221; is probably because he benefits from excess taxes!  A fricking IDIOT and EXTORTIONIST!</p>
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		By: Skippingdog		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2015 04:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You certainly have impressive lawn cutting credentials, Robert.  It&#039;s clear that you also picked up a penchant for gratuitous name dropping from your wealthy clients, but that doesn&#039;t provide any more support for your claims.  If you really were the chief law mowerist for San Mateo, why weren&#039;t you properly managing those people to make sure they weren&#039;t sitting around the break room?

Your multiple claims simply don&#039;t add up.  Even in San Mateo County, there wouldn&#039;t have been very many people making $200k salaries, outside of the CAO and possibly a few others.  If your salary as the Chauncy Gardner of San Mateo County was the equivalent of someone with a MSW in Social Services, it more likely indicates that they were being underpaid for their education.  

Very little of your post passes the smell test.  It&#039;s far more likely you&#039;re just another paid troll working for one of the Astroturf tea party groups or HJTA.  Don&#039;t try to peddle your nonsense here.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You certainly have impressive lawn cutting credentials, Robert.  It&#8217;s clear that you also picked up a penchant for gratuitous name dropping from your wealthy clients, but that doesn&#8217;t provide any more support for your claims.  If you really were the chief law mowerist for San Mateo, why weren&#8217;t you properly managing those people to make sure they weren&#8217;t sitting around the break room?</p>
<p>Your multiple claims simply don&#8217;t add up.  Even in San Mateo County, there wouldn&#8217;t have been very many people making $200k salaries, outside of the CAO and possibly a few others.  If your salary as the Chauncy Gardner of San Mateo County was the equivalent of someone with a MSW in Social Services, it more likely indicates that they were being underpaid for their education.  </p>
<p>Very little of your post passes the smell test.  It&#8217;s far more likely you&#8217;re just another paid troll working for one of the Astroturf tea party groups or HJTA.  Don&#8217;t try to peddle your nonsense here.</p>
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		By: Robert Fitch		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2014/12/30/humorous-new-attack-on-prop-13/#comment-107130</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Fitch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2015 20:48:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sorry for al the typo&#039;s in my previous post ...i&#039;m in a hurry. I need to go out and cut down a few Redwoods in my front yard. I have 70 on my property and a few have to go.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry for al the typo&#8217;s in my previous post &#8230;i&#8217;m in a hurry. I need to go out and cut down a few Redwoods in my front yard. I have 70 on my property and a few have to go.</p>
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		By: Robert Fitch		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2015 20:41:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wow Skiping Dog....you are so smart i don&#039;t know where to begin....Fiirst my resume, owner of a private Landscape Maitenance business for 15 years, i have been a Certified Pest Control Applicator with the State of Ca.for over 30yrs., my cliental icluded many of the rich and famous, including Ron Burke, your boy Bill Clinton&#039;s best friend!. After selling my business before the blower ban took effect, i worked in L.A. as a supervisor for a landscape firm, interacting directly and often with billionare Eli Broad, Hockey Great Wayne Gretzky, Movie Producer John Landis (his home was Rock Hudson&#039;s), Ed McMahn,KABC Radio President Biil and Joey Summers,and many more.
My civil service came after moving to the Santa Cruz mountians, 4 years Grounds Specialists at our local community College, and 13 yrs. as the Lead Gardener for the County of San Mateo, interactig with major media during the Scott Peterson with the Mark Geragos,Gloria Allred,etc making sure grounds were acceptable for all the media coverage. Perhaps in your response you can give me some of your qualifications to be such an expert on Gov&#039;t employment.
During my time with these public agencies, i witnessed employees not working at all during there shifts, never leaving the break room, day after day, and more generally, an extreme waste of taxpayers money on a daily basis, based on the power of unions that enabled employees to work in an extremly inefficient manner. Not to mention the inflated salaries, and benefits, including my salary equivalent to someone with a Masters Degree, and the salaries of those that worked &quot;downtown&quot; where in the 200 K club.If i had time, i could site many more example&#039;s, but i think the ball is in your court,to prove me a lier.
I grew up in L.A., i played outside until my lungs hurt, the air is much cleaner now thanks to cleaner air standards, but the E.P.A. regulations today are a huge cost to Gov&#039;t and private business.(Keeping track and filling out a report of the amount of cubic yards of  tree trimmings chipped for example),as well as the work methods required around &quot;enviromentaly sensitive  sites&quot;. Yes most agencies are self insured, but that does&#039;t negate the cost involved, which is paid with our taxes.
When puplic employees and teacher unions florished in the first term of Governer &quot;Moon Beam&quot; Brown that is when things fell apart, not to mention the influx of illegals drain our system. The E.P.A. and Air Quality Districts as well as Gov&#039;t have become monsters, wasting the peoples money in insane ways. Perhaps you could just pay more taxes yourself,if you feel they need more money, for me i am TAXED ENOUGH ALREADY,like in the Tea Party.
Your ignorance or unwillingness to acknowledge the influence of the unions and &quot;Big Government&quot; in this state in astounding.
P.S. I am a former Democrat, Sierra Club, A.C.L.U member.....but one day i saw the light (or the big lie).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow Skiping Dog&#8230;.you are so smart i don&#8217;t know where to begin&#8230;.Fiirst my resume, owner of a private Landscape Maitenance business for 15 years, i have been a Certified Pest Control Applicator with the State of Ca.for over 30yrs., my cliental icluded many of the rich and famous, including Ron Burke, your boy Bill Clinton&#8217;s best friend!. After selling my business before the blower ban took effect, i worked in L.A. as a supervisor for a landscape firm, interacting directly and often with billionare Eli Broad, Hockey Great Wayne Gretzky, Movie Producer John Landis (his home was Rock Hudson&#8217;s), Ed McMahn,KABC Radio President Biil and Joey Summers,and many more.<br />
My civil service came after moving to the Santa Cruz mountians, 4 years Grounds Specialists at our local community College, and 13 yrs. as the Lead Gardener for the County of San Mateo, interactig with major media during the Scott Peterson with the Mark Geragos,Gloria Allred,etc making sure grounds were acceptable for all the media coverage. Perhaps in your response you can give me some of your qualifications to be such an expert on Gov&#8217;t employment.<br />
During my time with these public agencies, i witnessed employees not working at all during there shifts, never leaving the break room, day after day, and more generally, an extreme waste of taxpayers money on a daily basis, based on the power of unions that enabled employees to work in an extremly inefficient manner. Not to mention the inflated salaries, and benefits, including my salary equivalent to someone with a Masters Degree, and the salaries of those that worked &#8220;downtown&#8221; where in the 200 K club.If i had time, i could site many more example&#8217;s, but i think the ball is in your court,to prove me a lier.<br />
I grew up in L.A., i played outside until my lungs hurt, the air is much cleaner now thanks to cleaner air standards, but the E.P.A. regulations today are a huge cost to Gov&#8217;t and private business.(Keeping track and filling out a report of the amount of cubic yards of  tree trimmings chipped for example),as well as the work methods required around &#8220;enviromentaly sensitive  sites&#8221;. Yes most agencies are self insured, but that does&#8217;t negate the cost involved, which is paid with our taxes.<br />
When puplic employees and teacher unions florished in the first term of Governer &#8220;Moon Beam&#8221; Brown that is when things fell apart, not to mention the influx of illegals drain our system. The E.P.A. and Air Quality Districts as well as Gov&#8217;t have become monsters, wasting the peoples money in insane ways. Perhaps you could just pay more taxes yourself,if you feel they need more money, for me i am TAXED ENOUGH ALREADY,like in the Tea Party.<br />
Your ignorance or unwillingness to acknowledge the influence of the unions and &#8220;Big Government&#8221; in this state in astounding.<br />
P.S. I am a former Democrat, Sierra Club, A.C.L.U member&#8230;..but one day i saw the light (or the big lie).</p>
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		By: SkippingDog		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2014/12/30/humorous-new-attack-on-prop-13/#comment-107121</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SkippingDog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2015 19:20:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://calwatchdog.com/2014/12/30/humorous-new-attack-on-prop-13/#comment-107076&quot;&gt;Robert Fitch&lt;/a&gt;.

If you lived in California before Proposition 13, it was a much different and better place.  The declines in infrastructure, schools, etc. all began after Prop 13 was implemented, primarily to benefit commercial property interests.

Your claims to have been a public employee are suspicious, at best.  While human nature is the same in both public and private employment spheres, the claims of vast waste and incompetence in public agencies are cartoonish exaggerations drawn from generally isolated instances of malfeasance.

The most restrictive environmental regulations in California were passed by the people&#039;s initiative process after the Santa Barbara oil spill and LA basin air quality that used to make people&#039;s lungs ache when they took a breath.  Most public agencies are self-insured for liability coverage, and participate in a catastrophic loss pool for large judgements that may come their way, so you clearly don&#039;t have much grasp on that topic either.  Health insurance policies have risen in cost for both public and private agencies over the past two or three decades, paralleling the growth of high-tech medicine to treat ailments that would have been life threatening or life altering in previous years.  Health insurance rates are also set and charged by private companies.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://calwatchdog.com/2014/12/30/humorous-new-attack-on-prop-13/#comment-107076">Robert Fitch</a>.</p>
<p>If you lived in California before Proposition 13, it was a much different and better place.  The declines in infrastructure, schools, etc. all began after Prop 13 was implemented, primarily to benefit commercial property interests.</p>
<p>Your claims to have been a public employee are suspicious, at best.  While human nature is the same in both public and private employment spheres, the claims of vast waste and incompetence in public agencies are cartoonish exaggerations drawn from generally isolated instances of malfeasance.</p>
<p>The most restrictive environmental regulations in California were passed by the people&#8217;s initiative process after the Santa Barbara oil spill and LA basin air quality that used to make people&#8217;s lungs ache when they took a breath.  Most public agencies are self-insured for liability coverage, and participate in a catastrophic loss pool for large judgements that may come their way, so you clearly don&#8217;t have much grasp on that topic either.  Health insurance policies have risen in cost for both public and private agencies over the past two or three decades, paralleling the growth of high-tech medicine to treat ailments that would have been life threatening or life altering in previous years.  Health insurance rates are also set and charged by private companies.</p>
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		By: JBro		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2014/12/30/humorous-new-attack-on-prop-13/#comment-107112</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JBro]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2015 17:06:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://calwatchdog.com/2014/12/30/humorous-new-attack-on-prop-13/#comment-107003&quot;&gt;SkippingDog&lt;/a&gt;.

Hey SkipDog, thanks for links. The first one confirms our suspicions that the CA budget for education is bloated, since we are near the top for money spent, but not so much per pupil. Translation: Top heavy &quot;administrators&quot;, teacher pensions, and other bureaucratic waste, fraud, and abuse, courtesy of Sacramento Dems. Thanks, CTA. 
Regarding the other links, the Duke law link URL is wrong. The last link is some hack work from Evolve, an anti-Prop 13 organization backed by more of your friends who want to keep the state dollars rolling into their own organizations. Keep &#039;em coming, though.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://calwatchdog.com/2014/12/30/humorous-new-attack-on-prop-13/#comment-107003">SkippingDog</a>.</p>
<p>Hey SkipDog, thanks for links. The first one confirms our suspicions that the CA budget for education is bloated, since we are near the top for money spent, but not so much per pupil. Translation: Top heavy &#8220;administrators&#8221;, teacher pensions, and other bureaucratic waste, fraud, and abuse, courtesy of Sacramento Dems. Thanks, CTA.<br />
Regarding the other links, the Duke law link URL is wrong. The last link is some hack work from Evolve, an anti-Prop 13 organization backed by more of your friends who want to keep the state dollars rolling into their own organizations. Keep &#8217;em coming, though.</p>
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		By: JBro		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2014/12/30/humorous-new-attack-on-prop-13/#comment-107111</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JBro]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2015 16:52:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://calwatchdog.com/2014/12/30/humorous-new-attack-on-prop-13/#comment-106898&quot;&gt;SkippingDog&lt;/a&gt;.

As mentioned already, rising property values mean nothing to Grandma if she doesn&#039;t want to sell her house. In the meantime, her property taxes shot up. So yes, people lost their homes due to property tax increases before Prop 13, despite your rather weak attempt at revising history, troll.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://calwatchdog.com/2014/12/30/humorous-new-attack-on-prop-13/#comment-106898">SkippingDog</a>.</p>
<p>As mentioned already, rising property values mean nothing to Grandma if she doesn&#8217;t want to sell her house. In the meantime, her property taxes shot up. So yes, people lost their homes due to property tax increases before Prop 13, despite your rather weak attempt at revising history, troll.</p>
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