Obama order upgrades Angeles National Forest

Obama order upgrades Angeles National Forest

 

Angeles National ForestOn Friday, President Obama carries his “executive orders” controversy to Southern California. In town since Thursday, he will redesignate half of the Angeles National Forest a national monument at the behest of Rep. Judy Chu, D-Monterey Park. According to the Los Angeles Times, “The designation will give the U.S. Forest Service greater ability to manage the crowds and protect its natural wonders.”

Chu is running for re-election against Republican Jack Orswell.

Republicans have criticized the president for using the executive orders to bypass Congress’s authority, under the U.S. Constitution, to pass laws.

In this case, Chu sponsored H.R. 4858, the San Gabriel National Recreational Area Act. Chu’s bill would designate the Angeles Forest a national recreation area, an even higher designation than a national monument.

But H.R. 4858 has been buried in the Public Lands and Environmental Regulation Subcommittee of the Committee on Natural Resources in the Republican-controlled U.S. House of Representatives. However, if Obama signs the executive order, the new national monument may have no increase in its appropriation of funds unless Congress approves Chu’s bill.

More funding would mean more forest rangers to police the huge litter problem in the mountain canyons of the forest today.

After one Labor Day weekend in 2011, 40,000 pounds of trash was picked up. And in 2014, three campers started the Colby Fire by throwing toilet paper into a campfire; then the wind scattered the embers.

Not vetted

Kathryn Barger, chief deputy to Los Angeles County Supervisor Michael Antonovich, said Chu’s proposal had not been fully vetted with all stakeholders.

Barger said Los Angeles County has camps, dams, reservoirs, roads and other public works inside the forest. About 33 percent of L.A.’s drinking water comes from the Angeles Forest watershed. Lake Castaic, the main reservoir for Los Angeles that is supplied by northern California water, is in the Angeles Forest.

“We welcome more resources,” said Barger. But the county has a lot of investment in the forest that might be wasted.  On Sept. 30, 2014, L.A. County sought to build a $600,000 water pipeline in a portion of the Forest.

Class warfare

According to the Times, environmentalists are cheering the executive order. But working-class locals are worried about losing access to a popular recreational area that also supports middle-class jobs.

In 2013, the San Gabriel Valley Tribune ran a story titled, “Mountain bikers, environmentalists clash over Angeles National Forest plan.” It reported, “For the past seven years, the the U.S. Forest Service has been attempting to find a way to protect 37 roadless areas while keeping the public happy.” It detailed discussions and hearings involving mountain bikers and environmentalists. Now Obama’s sudden designation of the area as a national monument short-circuits that democratic process.

Young people and families use the forest for a cheap recreation place instead driving down to the beach. But environmentalists want forest access limited.  The forest attracts 32 million visitors each year, more than Yosemite or Yellowstone national parks.

Mt. Baldy residents and businesses protested in front of Chu’s office on Oct. 6. The residents don’t want to live inside a national monument. They feel they would no longer be able to access their cabins in the forest, hunt, hike, bike and use off-road vehicles.  Thousands of Southern Californians travel to Mt. Baldy to enjoy the ski resort.

On Oct. 8, Chu announced only half of the forest would be designated a national monument, leaving out the Mt. Baldy area.

Funding

The result of Obama’s executive order will be a new national monument without any additional funding, but with legal restrictions imposed on access and use. Today, any parking along the roads through the forest requires a National Forest Adventure Pass.

However, L.A. County has declared that passes are not required on county maintained roads and other areas. That might end once the area declared a monument. The forest already is registered as California Historical Landmark No. 717.

President Benjamin Harrison established Angeles National Forest in 1893.

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  1. LetitCollapse
    LetitCollapse 9 October, 2014, 22:44

    There’s more to the picture than what meets the eye here. The King doesn’t stroll into town and throw his weight around to redesignate the use of a natural forest unless there’s some major quid pro quo going down. A payback. Somebody’s getting his pockets stuffed somewhere. Anybody who thinks it’s being done to save the squirrels and the chipmunks is beyond hope. With this administration nothing is as it appears on the surface. You have to peel about 8 skins off the onion to figure out what the heck is going on. We know you can’t believe anything that leaves his lips. And he’s got the media in his back pocket. Most of the scandals get whitewashed and buried. And the ones that see some light (IRS, Fast & Furious, Benghazi, Solyandra, Rosengate, NSA domestic spying, James Clapper lies to congress, Sebelius violates hatch act, VA healthcare, DOJ spying on US journalists, tells baldfaced lies to pass ObamaCare, handed out 1200 ObamaCare waivers to campaign donors, illegally bombed Libya (violation of the War Powers Act) and set the scene for the assassination of a sitting pres of a sovereign nation (violation of the Geneva Convention), played 100 rounds of golf in his first 3 years in office, spying on ally German Chancellor Merkel, etc…) lose their legs and fall off the edge of the planet (thanks to the media). But Judy Chu knows the real reason. You can triple down that she’s sworn to silence. Judy knows who her daddy is.

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    • NTHEOC
      NTHEOC 9 October, 2014, 23:18

      I agree collapse, and I voted for this guy! Twice!! The first time I was ok with it even though my true hope was for our first black president to be Colin Powell. Now after this second term I am really disappointed. But then again there wasn’t much out there. I’m just trying to be honest and I’m sure I’m going to get some comments from my fellow Obama supporters but I’m sick of this guy!

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      • LetitCollapse
        LetitCollapse 10 October, 2014, 09:37

        NTHEOC – You’re a good man to admit that you made not only one mistake but two mistakes by voting for Obola twice. I did my best to warn everyone back in 2008 and 2012. I can spot a flim-flam hustler a mile away. He has certainly been a disaster to the nation and now I am not sure whether we can recover from the Bush-Obola one-two punch. You see, I voted for Bush the first time in 2000 but not the second time in 2004. All of us make mistakes. But IMO Obola was much worse than Bush since he tricked everyone to believe that he was the opposite of Bush when he was, in fact, a clone of Bush. He will go down as the most deceitful POTUS in the history of the United States.
        Oh, btw, Obola is not our first black POTUS. He is our first black-white POTUS. Don’t forget that he exited a white womb. The media forgets to remind you of that. It keeps shoving the ‘first black president’ propoganda down our throats when the claim is not entirely accurate. And the average American fails to question it. This lack of discernment in American society is the reason we are declining as an empire. We’ve turned into a very stupid nation of people.
        My suggestion going forward is not to vote for someone based on face value. You’re correct – a choice between Obama and McCain was no choice at all. In that case it’s better to vote for a 3rd party candidate, to write-in a candidate of your choice, or not to vote at all.
        Thank you for your honesty, NTHEOC.

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        • NTHEOC
          NTHEOC 10 October, 2014, 11:01

          Hah, I hear ya collapse. My old man warned me twice about Obama and laughs at me now when we talk politics. In fact, me and him have been banned from talking politics around the family!!! It’s all in good fun though…..

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          • LetitCollapse
            LetitCollapse 10 October, 2014, 11:37

            Watch out, NTHEOC. Years ago many people told me that sons generally turn into their fathers ideologically as we age. When I was young I scoffed at their claim. But they were correct. Most of us end up mimicking our dads. So don’t be surprised as you grow older that you too begin to agree with your dad’s politics. Generally, father knows best. 😉

          • TGod of all LAW CWD edit
            TGod of all LAW CWD edit 10 October, 2014, 18:19

            Collapso–

            LOL– thanks for the pedantic “wisdom” re our Dads!

            Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz my word Hubris? Look it up little buddy!

  2. EaglesGlen
    EaglesGlen 10 October, 2014, 12:00

    Imagine the propaganda to do good things like BS improvements of any kind by a gov that is insolvent and no money to spend on this project. Big FRAUD.

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    • LetitCollapse
      LetitCollapse 10 October, 2014, 13:07

      Eagles, good point.

      Just like the gov telling us that we have to destroy ISIS and ISIL before they destroy us. Where have we heard that crap before? 🙂

      We went to Afghanistan to destroy the Tabiban. Remember? I do. And 13 years later the Taliban are moving back into Afghanistan and capturing or recapturing key Afghani cities. lol. And the American gov is protecting the poppy fields used for the production of morphine and heroin – which is the prime source of income for the Taliban army. lol.

      If all of this wasn’t so tragic it would be like watching a continuous sequels of a Mel Brooks film.

      Everything gov touches turns to crap.

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  3. DavidfromLosGatos
    DavidfromLosGatos 10 October, 2014, 13:42

    I have a strong libertarian bent on most issues when it comes to government. However, preservation of “common” open space is one of the few issues that makes get all progressive-like and desiring government control and interference in other peoples’ lives. Too many humans are, for whatever reason (conditioning, culture, observing their parents?) complete pigs when it comes to trashing (literally) our public open spaces (mountains, deserts, beaches). Would be nice if could be managed at the state level, not fed, but that is different issue.

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    • LetitCollapse
      LetitCollapse 10 October, 2014, 14:24

      It’s pretty difficult to stop some people from being pigs. It’s just baked into the cake with certain humans. We already have littering laws. But a certain segment of the population defiantly ignore those laws. And another segment of the population wouldn’t litter even if littering was not a violation of the law. To them, it’s a moral issue that sustains ours civilization. The former are beginning to overtake the latter, unfortunately.
      Closing off large parts of the national forests to human encroachment is not the answer. That land was made for us to roam. The answer is to increase the severity of the punishment for defacing the land and ensuring there are enough people picking up the trash. Trash picker-uppers are a dime a dozen. Minimum wagers. Kids would be lined up around the block to pick up trash in the national forest for some spending money.
      But you’re right. The state should manage that business, not Obola.

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  4. Ulysses Uhaul
    Ulysses Uhaul 10 October, 2014, 16:50

    Do they have a golf course in The Forest?

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  5. TGod of all LAW CWD edit
    TGod of all LAW CWD edit 10 October, 2014, 18:15

    I voted for him twice and if I could I do it again!

    It’s such a joke that almost ANY action this black man takes is disagreed with by the right—- broken record—-

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    • LetitCollapse
      LetitCollapse 11 October, 2014, 08:37

      He’s not a black man. He’s half white too. Why do we always have to remind you people of that? He’s been a natural disaster for our nation. Everything he’s touched has turned to crap – domestically and internationally. Plus, he can’t be trusted. He’s an inveterate liar. His Gallup approval rating has slid to 39%. Defending him on account of his ‘blackness’ is hilarious!

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    • LetitCollapse
      LetitCollapse 11 October, 2014, 08:40

      If Obola was a white republican you’d be calling for his impeachment!!! LOL!

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  6. TGod of all LAW CWD edit
    TGod of all LAW CWD edit 11 October, 2014, 08:51

    You just proved it Collapso— You are VERY concerned with his RACE!!!!

    The subtleties of prejudice are not always so subtle. There is NOTHING the President could EVER do that didn’t evoke your scorn……….that is of course, scorn, for our Nations first African American President!

    I read you like a book.

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    • LetitCollapse
      LetitCollapse 11 October, 2014, 21:36

      You’re the one who addressed Obola’s race first. I merely commented on how ridiculous it was for you to do so. Here’s your comment in case you forget what you wrote:

      “It’s such a joke that almost ANY action this black man takes is disagreed with by the right—- broken record—-”

      You seem to be the one who’s ethnocentric.

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      • T Mind of Ted Your God
        T Mind of Ted Your God 12 October, 2014, 10:12

        Collapso?

        Are you 12? You HAVE to call the Nation’s first African American president “Obola”?

        You can’t call this Nobel Prize winning world leader “President Obama”?

        Do you refer to him using the name of a deadly disease which is a crisis in predominantly “black” Western Africa because you respect black people or because you find it funny or ironical?

        How could the deaths of thousands of humans ever be funny?

        Have you ever noticed that the professional writers on this blog NEVER make fun of the Presidents name in such a junior high school manner? They don’t like his policies and yet they have a civil veneer across their posts which reflects their educational levels and perhaps their cultural ethos of respect. When an adolescent writes often we don’t see these things.

        So I ask you— Are you 12? Or do you have deep seated feelings about race which you could explore?

        Defend yourself little boy before your parents get home.

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      • T Mind of Ted Your God
        T Mind of Ted Your God 12 October, 2014, 10:21

        Oh–by the way– little boy, you first injected your sad views about President Obama and HIS race at 9:37 on October 10 supra.third post down from the top…

        Sorry little buddy– you write like an angry child.

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        • LetitCollapse
          LetitCollapse 12 October, 2014, 13:54

          I didn’t mention race first, dorkus. NTHEOC did. He mentioned something about the ‘first black president’. I simply remarked that Obola is half white – half black. Not just black. That his mama was a white woman. All facts. So when Obola is referred to as our ‘first black president’ it’s not entirely correct. He is the first white-black president – or any term that you wish to substitute to describe the white-black combination. But he is not a ‘black president’. Everyone knows this but few say it. I prefer accurate reporting. And when I don’t see it – unlike you – I correct it, little boy. 🙂

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          • T Mind of Ted Your God
            T Mind of Ted Your God 12 October, 2014, 14:48

            Wow– you live in a fantasy world little buddy!

            LOL— ntheoc brought up a “fact” — about the first “black” president. Quite respectful.

            On 10-10 @0937 (the very next comment) YOU brought up a “white womb” and nick named this Nobel Peace Prize winner as “Ebola”, a deadly disease well identified with black West Africa—-Right now you should be ashamed of yourself and if you had any manhood at all you’d apologize to everyone out here for your sad remark.

            But you won’t.

            Because I’m pretty certain that you are an angry 12 year old was obviously not raised in a very healthy environment.

            Again, have you ever noticed that the folks with dignity out here, like the guest writers of this blog, NEVER use hate speech, but that you do?

          • LetitCollapse
            LetitCollapse 12 October, 2014, 21:10

            My point is that race is irrelevant when it comes to the leadership of the POTUS. But everybody always mentions ‘first black president’ when it’s an incorrect assumption. Obola is the ‘first black-white president’. He’s half white and was birthed by a white woman. You seem to forget about that fact for some convenient reason. I call Obama “Obola” because I think he’s just as dangerous and reckless as the disease. Look at all the carnage he’s responsible for overseas. Look at all the lies he’s told to the American people about so many critical issues. Look at how he turned out to be the exact opposite of what he purported to represent in 2008. I have zero respect for him and I have no reason whatsoever to apologize. Oh, and your ‘hate speech’ is my truth. Smoke some of that! 😉

          • T Mind of Ted Your God
            T Mind of Ted Your God 12 October, 2014, 23:01

            You’ve said it all and revealed yourself to EVERYone out here.

            I’ll leave it there.

            Astonishing.

          • LetitCollapse
            LetitCollapse 12 October, 2014, 23:32

            I wouldn’t expect a die-hard Obola admirer to understand. You’re excused, little boy. 🙂

          • T Mind of Ted Your God
            T Mind of Ted Your God 13 October, 2014, 09:09

            LOL
            Oh– Make no mistake about it little buddy– I “understand” people like you all too well.

            Immature
            Angry
            no self respect
            reactionary
            race issues
            weak

            It’s all too common— you’d fit in well in the deep south in about 1950. You never answered my question though.

            Have you noticed that the professional very conservative writers out here don’t make fun of the President using silly names that evoke deadly diseases from Africa? Any idea why they don’t little buddy?

            Or do you lack the courage to try to answer?

          • T Mind of Ted Your God
            T Mind of Ted Your God 13 October, 2014, 09:29

            OH– and Collapso— here is the post from above where you earned YOUR new nick name little boy!

            Collapso?
            Are you 12? You HAVE to call the Nation’s first African American president “Obola”?
            You can’t call this Nobel Prize winning world leader “President Obama”?
            Do you refer to him using the name of a deadly disease which is a crisis in predominantly “black” Western Africa because you respect black people or because you find it funny or ironical?
            How could the deaths of thousands of humans ever be funny?
            Have you ever noticed that the professional writers on this blog NEVER make fun of the Presidents name in such a junior high school manner? They don’t like his policies and yet they have a civil veneer across their posts which reflects their educational levels and perhaps their cultural ethos of respect. When an adolescent writes often we don’t see these things.
            So I ask you— Are you 12? Or do you have deep seated feelings about race which you could explore?
            Defend yourself LITTLE BOY before your parents get home.

          • LetitCollapse
            LetitCollapse 14 October, 2014, 18:16

            It’s hilarious that you get your shorts in a bunch over all your false accusations and inaccurate assumptions. But continue on, Tedtard. Your self-righteous indignation is amusing. I love it when you expose your true persona to the rest of the board!!! Now post, slave! Post!!! 😀

  7. Ulysses Uhaul
    Ulysses Uhaul 12 October, 2014, 08:57

    Teddy.

    no….you read him like a Bularian dank, ancient monastery tome…..step up buddy…..he is almost out of his cage……won’t be pretty.

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