‘Everyone is moving out of California’

Austin City Limit signFeb. 27, 2013

By John Seiler

An old friend I’ve known 46 years called and said, “I was just hearing from a lot of people that everyone is moving out of California. Are you OK?” She lives on the East Coast.

I assured her that things weren’t quite that bad in California. And her statement reminded me of what Yogi Berra once said about a restaurant, “Nobody goes there anymore. It’s too crowded.”

What’s important about my friend’s question is the perception California now has across America: as a place people are leaving. The state does have more out-migration to other states than in-migration; population still is increasing here, slightly, only because of immigration from other countries.

But the real problem is that the perception of California as a failed state will mean fewer young, ambitious people will come here.

As the state with Tinseltown should know, perceptions can be more important than reality. So although California isn’t as bad off as others perceive it, what’s broadcast is an image of failure: of high unemployment, high housing costs, record high state taxes, out-of-control public-employee union power, environmentalist extremism and decades of misgovernance.

Texas Gov. Rick Perry gained national headlines earlier this month trolling in California for jobs and businesses to bring back to Texas. Probably not many businesses were convinced to leave the Golden State for the Lone Star State.

But young business entrepreneurs everywhere might have been influenced. A computer hotshot in Pennsylvania might choose Austin instead of Silicon Valley because in Austin it’s easier to buy a decent-sized home — or any home — and taxes are a lot lower. His salary — say, $150,000 a year — goes a lot farther in Texas.

No one knows about the young hotshot’s choice because he never moved to California in the first place; so he never “left.” But California still has lost a productive worker and taxpayer.

This probably has happened tens of thousands of times, and will happen tens of thousands of times more.

California’s real problem may not be people leaving, but talented people not coming here who in better days would have streamed in.



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    JKEYES 27 February, 2013, 08:58

    Can you blame them?

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    JKEYES 27 February, 2013, 08:58

    This is why we need to Downsize California.

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    • John
      John 18 October, 2019, 13:11

      This is why we need to get rid of the democrat’s before California is a bankrupt and an outlaw state??

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  3. Tkg2902
    Tkg2902 27 February, 2013, 09:05

    Its going to worse before it gets better. Sacramento is obstinately dedicated to driving this beautiful state to the poorhouse in a Rolls Royce.

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  4. Tririder
    Tririder 27 February, 2013, 10:17

    Ca. Has gone beyond the point of no return. It will begin to resemble a third world country in the near future. It’s a shame, it is a beautiful place geographically. Thank you liberal politicians.

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    • Jay
      Jay 6 September, 2016, 13:43

      Yup. Liberals. Only liberals could go $1+ trillion in government debt (city, county, and state) and not fix a single problem California has. Polution, traffic, power grid, illegals, taxes, crime… and FREAKING WATER! You are over a trillion dollars in debt and you couldn’t even build desalination plants for water?

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    • Pami
      Pami 26 September, 2016, 18:51

      That is why people are moving to Pahrump Navada.

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  5. Dan
    Dan 27 February, 2013, 11:18

    Come on, it’s not “immigration” from other countries, it is illegal entry from other countries.

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  6. Barb
    Barb 27 February, 2013, 11:45

    I just checked out the rates at the U-Haul site to see how much it would cost to rent a 20′ truck from SoCal to Dallas and viceee versaaa. Here is the breakdown:

    Dallas ——–>SoCal $1058
    SoCal ———>Dallas $2222

    It cost twice as much to move to Tejas! This is not a perception! Apparently, the demand to move out of California is great and U-Haul, being good capitalist, are taking advantage of it!

    There’s a good book titled, “How money walks” by Travis Brown which discusses how states are now competing for dollars as a result of tax policies in individual states.

    “The book compiles data from the IRS detailing how Adjusted Gross Income (AGI) moves based on tax policies on a county-by-county basis all across the country. State income tax rates vary pretty wildly, and places like Texas and Florida and, more recently, Kansas, are benefitting from individuals moving themselves and their AGI to places with lower tax liability,” Brown said. This book tracks from 1995 to 2010 and shows how people in say, Saint Louis County, have moved millions of dollars of AGI to Dallas County, Texas.”

    See more at: http://themissouritimes.com/260/travis-brown-authors-book-how-money-walks/#sthash.fhrQpURm.dpuf

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  7. Joshua Gibson
    Joshua Gibson 27 February, 2013, 12:08

    I work for a specialty tax consulting firm that handles business incentives and corporate taxation that’s based in Sacramento. I can tell you first hand that there is an exodus occurring that is made of up of established and fledgling businesses, and it’s been in the works for a long time.

    There were businesses that were going to wait to take advantage of our services to see what the results of the elections. When Prop 30 passed and Obama got reelected there were businesses that thanked me for my time, and proceeded to shutter CA ops, and relocate to UT, and GA, but the majority headed to Texas.

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  8. SeeSaw
    SeeSaw 27 February, 2013, 12:46

    And, of course, Mr. Seiler, you are not participating in promoting that negative perception of CA! Oh, No!

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  9. jimmydeeoc
    jimmydeeoc 27 February, 2013, 13:00

    Bad John ! Very, very bad John! You are not spinning a chamber of commerce twist!

    apparently this is “bad reporting”, according to our own emily litella. lol lol…..

    Seesaw….providing heaps o’ laffs, every day……..

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  10. Paul
    Paul 27 February, 2013, 15:11

    Because Kommiefornia is turning into a 3rd world shit hole…

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  11. Rye
    Rye 27 February, 2013, 17:25

    I cant believe anyones really surprised by this. But…there will be 3 more leaving on the 1st of april. My buisness re-opens in San Antonio the following week. My wife & I have decided that it was a mistake to move here from Colorado & we simply cant run the buisness in a state that gouges us at every opportunity. Oh well….sa-la-vi.

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  12. doug
    doug 27 February, 2013, 18:09

    we know about the state parks “misplacing” 50+ million yet asking for more in a proposition. high speed rail with no private investors, LAUSD in hot water with bad teachers, low test scores and yet a new tax to pay for our kids future.
    3 cities filed for bankruptcy, pension-held cities cant pay their cops and firefighters. i just saw a new ad for measure A asking for more money for these guys. i personally know 4 people who have left our state due to high cost of living.
    the ground work is being paved right now with facts.
    we have the highest taxes in the country and the largest unions right here!

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  13. Debbie
    Debbie 27 February, 2013, 19:21

    As a high school teacher, I see a lot of my students moving out of state. Have one leaving tomorrow for Missouri, and several have gone to Texas with their families because they can do better than in California. And me? When I retired you better believe I won’t be in California!!

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  14. Hondo
    Hondo 27 February, 2013, 20:08

    As I’ve said all along, money moves a lot easier than people. People can be tied down by family or mortgages or customers. An accountant in Semi valley has built up his customer base over the years. Moving to Texas garauntees nothing. All his customers are back in Kali. And his kids are in school and have best friends and his family may be in Kali.
    New California collage graduates have no such roots. I’m sure many are leaving the state that educated them and are going to a state that will employ them. Investment money has no such roots either. Smart money from Kalifornia may be invested in Florida or Texas rather than at home. Money from outside the state will most likely be spent in a lower taxed, lower regulated state.
    If there is an exodus of people from Kali, its from the kids it educated, headed for a job in another state.

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  15. SkippingDog
    SkippingDog 28 February, 2013, 16:55

    Texas salaries aren’t as high as those in California, even for people in high technology jobs. Add to that the fact that Texas has one of the highest percentages of people living in poverty, spends among the least of all states on education and training, and will be a purple or blue state in the fairly near future due to demographic shift, it’s hard to understand why you libertarians think it’s some kind of utopia.

    On top of all that, when you wake up each day you’re still stuck in Texas.

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    • TexMex
      TexMex 2 March, 2018, 20:45

      Exactly. Texas is MUCH better than Cali will ever be. Freedom, way lower cost of living and a lot of people can even afford private school here. Public schools are way better than Cali anyway. Cali is rich people and a BUNCH of poor people…stay there dude lol.

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    • Bobloblaw
      Bobloblaw 17 March, 2018, 03:41

      CA had the nation’s highest poverty rate, not TX. Salaries go a lot father in TX than CA.

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  16. nraendowment
    nraendowment 1 March, 2013, 04:11

    What Dan said.

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  17. John Reagan
    John Reagan 1 March, 2013, 08:18

    I spent 2 years in Texas; Austin, Houston and Corpus Christi. This State runs on fraud and back room deals. Culture is something they think you find in a petri dish. Attitudes towards women are particularly odd compared to any other State I’ve lived in. And if you wonder how anyone could elect mental midgets like Bush Jr and Rick Perry, it’s because they represent the common intellect of Texas. Any business that packs up and heads to Texas should seriously research the reality of what they’re getting into. I couldn’t wait to get back to California. This in not meant to be trolling for an argument, just a serious appraisal of Texas based on my experiences there.

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    • Mike
      Mike 29 March, 2017, 20:46

      It’s because people are sick of your liberal retarded, white faggotry. You rather take black guys pozing your neg hole than work. I know your a disaffected white libtard . Sick of you people

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    • Junglejammer
      Junglejammer 13 January, 2018, 16:44

      Im from Illinois and lived in Texas for a year. I hated Houston but Austin was beautiful. Too bad it’s liberal. I’m a woman and I don’t think I was treated any differently than I was in any other state. In fact, the men there were kinder to me than any other state aid lived in after that. The only reason I wouldn’t move back to Texas is because Texas honestly scared me. The driving scared me, it flooded, I was far from home, and I was definitely allergic to something in the atmosphere because I had an allergic reaction nearly every single day that started when I got off the plane and went away when I flew back to Illinois.

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  18. Hondo
    Hondo 1 March, 2013, 09:50

    By your reckoning, Kalifornia is the greatest place in the world to be unemployed. SkippingDog, the greatest social program is a JOB.

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  19. SkippingDog
    SkippingDog 1 March, 2013, 12:08

    A job is certainly the most desirable circumstance, Hondo, but you didn’t explain why such a large percentage of Texans are living in poverty, even if they have a job there.

    You also didn’t explain why or how people moving to Texas are going to be more competitive as workers in a place where basic things like education and infrastructure investment are largely ignored.

    The petroleum industry is one of the largest drivers of the Texas economy, along with federal military spending. There are only so many “good jobs” available in the petroleum industry for untrained people with a strong back, so the lack of education or training will not do a single thing for people who aren’t able to be roustabouts on a rig or in a refinery.

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  20. brad
    brad 23 March, 2013, 07:48

    skipper there were lots of poverty in California just as well. 60% of school kids qualify for free lunches. There is poverty in all the states. Texas does not have the best unemployment rate either. Even Hawaii has a lower unemployment rate then Texas. I didnt choose Texas to move to, but couldnt take CA anymore after 35 years and moved to where I could enjoy life, have the freedoms and money to do things without the stress of crowded freeways, high taxes and cost of living. Sorry but no thanks, Ca is only a place to visit now.

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  21. VW
    VW 13 April, 2013, 19:21

    All this Cali-bashing spurned me to action because I am still loyal to the state I’ve lived in since I was six. I’m sure what I’ll describe can be found in numerous other states, but I want to present at least one positive version of “real” life in Cali, with as little falsehoods or political coloring.

    A day in the life in early Spring (or summer, fall, winter): I wake at 6:15 am to the sound of birds. I draw open the curtains and the San Gabriels in the early sunlight. It’s a mild 58 degrees.

    By 7am I am at work near downtown LA, a 20 minute, 12-mile commute. I run a manufacturing firm which has been headquarted in the same location since 1949. Most of our employees have been with us over 15 years, turnover is low, and loyalty is high. I quickly yell out hello to some employees: a Mexican-, a Chinese-, a Philippine-, and a Czech-American.
    I spend the day talking to people from all over the country and world, and when talk turns personal, the first question is usually, “what’s the weather like in Los Angeles? Mine is terrible.”

    I leave around 5pm and return to my house, a historic arts and craft cottage with four 100-year old oaks. A few neighbors greet me (one is a gay pastor of an Episcopalian Church), the other a widow of a well-known Broadway playwright.

    Many of the flowers are in full bloom, purple lavenders, white cistus, yellow daffodils, magenta valerian, and roses in a multitude of colors.

    I go for a hike in the local mountains, and after 20 minutes, I can see the ocean in the distance. My friend calls me and says she’s leaving for her cabin in the woods where there’s still snow. And a surfer friend posts on Facebook that he’s going to catch the last waves of the day.

    Later I grab dinner, and decide between Thai, Chinese, Mexican, organic vegetarian, or Greek. But I’m not dressed for a four-star meal, so I get away with a $15 tab at the local Lebanese place which is equally as good.

    The moon is full on my drive home and I can see a few constellations. As I wind down in my backyard with a glass of wine, all I hear is the breeze rustling the oaks.

    And no, I’m not living the charmed life because I don’t make high six-figures nor do I live in a gated community or any such nonsense. I’m a middle-class, businesswoman living in an urban neighborhood who is still optimistic that CA has something to offer.

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    • MC
      MC 22 March, 2015, 13:15

      Beautifully written. I am moving in the coming months from Nebraska to California with my boyfriend of many years. I am excited, nervous, and ready for a new and uncharted adventure. Thank you for a great reminder of why California is still a great place to live, even with the naysayers and their misaligned disappointment.

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      • 60 points to Griffindor
        60 points to Griffindor 17 April, 2015, 14:03

        Born and raised in Southern California, I can vouch for the quality of weather, cheerfulness of neighbors and relative ease of access to commute to work. What’s even more exciting these days is that Hyperloop project will render any traffic stalls obsolete. That or flying cars. Have a safe move from Nebraska; have friends who work near Omaha and they often relate their envy of the Cali swing.

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        • Mike
          Mike 29 March, 2017, 20:46

          It’s because people are sick of your liberal retarded, white faggotry. You rather take black guys pozing your neg hole than work. I know your a disaffected white libtard . Sick of you people

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    • Lioness
      Lioness 26 July, 2015, 20:39

      That makes me so sad to leave here.Being forced to..disabled raising grand kids. Born in San Diego..going go Casa Grande. Az will cry myself to sleep every night…

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    • Junglejammer
      Junglejammer 13 January, 2018, 16:58

      I don’t think you understand that It’s not the scenery or the weather that people don’t like about California. It’s the laws that have ruined the state. Chicago is very cool but no one wants to live here anymore. I don’t. I’m moving to Indiana. I’ll take corn and lower cost of living over mountains and sea side.

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  22. Mike Machiaverna
    Mike Machiaverna 1 May, 2013, 18:37

    I do agree, Cali is a beautiful place geographically speaking and the lifestyle that can be enjoyed is second to none for now, but the future of the state is in question and for good reason. Without a sound fiscal policy or direction the state will stumble, not to mention our educational system. The question is, will it fall?

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  23. Mandeep
    Mandeep 5 May, 2013, 00:28

    I’m interested in everyone’s opinion, whether positive or otherwise.

    I’m looking to live in CA for a short period, say, perhaps a year or two. I’m not interested in making money (although it’d be nice), I just want to earn a decent enough wage to get by on. I don’t want to get involved in politics, I’ve seen enough from my experience in international humanitarian work. I just want to live a healthy lifestyle in a beautiful sunny State.

    What do you think, Californians, is it possible?

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  24. pete
    pete 17 May, 2013, 14:33


    If you can get yourself qualified for for the free social services given to the freeloaders it a great place to live. I’m not talking about those truly in need!
    Don’t plan on assistance in starting a business as California is the worst place in the USA for business.
    If you are fortunate enough to make a decent living the State will take 13% to give to the ever growing number of freeloader and so called Public Servants”.
    If I were you I’d look at Texas?

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  25. Kelly
    Kelly 30 May, 2013, 14:09

    My family is on our way out. 2 master’s degrees, and 22 years experience, making 90k a year. In Orange County, 90k should be well below the poverty line. With the increased taxes in Jan ’13 now we don’t get ahead at all anymore, and have decided to move.

    Was born in Texas, raised in Texas, and from what I’ve seen since I’ve been here they can keep California for the rich. Me? I’m going somewhere that a gallon of milk costs less than a gallon of gas.

    P.S. Might want to check your figures up there, Texas doesn’t have state tax.

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  26. Larry
    Larry 10 June, 2013, 14:51

    I moved out of California after living there 56 years.. I sold my home and moved to Idaho Sept., 2011. Biggest mistake I have EVER made in my life and have been trying to get back ever since. The climate, places to go within driving distance, etc. etc. etc. make California the BEST place on earth to live. Cant wait to get back home!!! Don’t ever assume that the ‘grass is always greener on the other side”.

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    • Angela
      Angela 8 February, 2014, 20:13

      I did the same thing in June 2013…came to Florida …hell hole ….can’t wait to get back to Cali selling my home and moving back already reserved truck for summer ..

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      • GiovanniTheGreat
        GiovanniTheGreat 29 June, 2014, 02:41

        People from CA only cant wait to return to CA.. outsiders like myself move to CA and want to run when the chance is right and never ever return. CA sucks.. FL is much better.

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    • Mike
      Mike 29 March, 2017, 20:48

      Sound like they typical old white hippie.

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  27. Dee Cas
    Dee Cas 20 June, 2013, 12:46

    I live in Staten Island NY., I hear that NY is like Cali, feel like I need a change at age 57., what is a good place for a single woman at my age to possibly meet new friends and not go broke? I’d be retired. Cali sounds beautiful though, but expensive like NY, and alot of freeloaders in both Cali and NY,,,not good. I agree with Larry about having places to go within driving distance., I’m not one for the suburbs…

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    • Angela
      Angela 8 February, 2014, 20:15

      New York is def not like California ….I’ve lived in NYC before ..I’m Cali native…there are zero similarity

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  28. connie s
    connie s 7 July, 2013, 11:45

    I can’t wait to leave California, lived here when I was younger, left, came back for a job…..big mistake! The reasons I left in the 80’s is still true today.
    To many illegals, people are not friendly, as a matter of fact they are some of the rudest. If you happen to make eye contact with someone and they smile and say hello THEN you just encountered a person from another state. Californians don’t feel it’s necessary to talk or even get to know their neighbors, people in thier communities etc. Pretty soon ca. will be like a 3rd world country, almost is. Go to grocery store, you hear more Spanish then what I thought was our national language ENGLISH. Olay rich areas have it a bit better. If you want friendly people, sense of community and decent place to raise children THEN run don’t walk away from California. It’s not available there.

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    • GiovanniTheGreat
      GiovanniTheGreat 29 June, 2014, 02:45

      Small towns like Auburn are even turning into havens for rude people as well and this comes from a MA person. CA is not fit, especially Northern for anyone out of state. I feel much more at home in Florida and cant wait to return. So yea suck it Bay Area people!

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  29. ultra
    ultra 17 July, 2013, 15:47

    Don’t move to Austin please. And stop buying up our land with your inflated salaries. Work to make California less depressing. Please stay away; we can’t handle the growth here.

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    • I_AM_ME
      I_AM_ME 16 September, 2013, 16:35

      I like that comment ultra. We Californians needs to make it better and not just run away. WE need to stand together and get the government to hear us! And immigration is a MAJOR issue in California at this time. It needs to be controlled better than what CALIFORNIA is doing now.

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  30. Leonard
    Leonard 17 September, 2013, 21:43

    California is a horrible place to live, we are taxed on EVERYTHING, so when the working poor can longer afford to survive, and more of the middle class has moved away, who is going to pay for Jerry’s train? who is going ride it for that matter… SO what is going to happen when the tax dollars that you are expected to pay, no longer reach the levels needed to fund the lunacy of special interest influenced laws? I can tell you, if your from California you know the city, Stockton, for those of you from elsewhere remember Detroit, that will be CA, dominated by leftist liberals, just like Detroit and just like Stockton… Do you think the federal government will bail out CA? The answer is no, sure they can raise taxes, again, but the level they will need to raise to will cause a new civil war… This is happening all over the world right now, Greece is a good example, poor there are starving the in streets, I just hope I am alive when it happens, not for the ‘I told you so’, but just to watch all of you victimized people run around defenseless begging the liberal government to give you more handouts at the FEMA/DHS camps that you live and die in. I will never vote for another dirty, lying, self absorbed democrat again. Do yourself a favor, and never vote for the democrats again!

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  31. Nick
    Nick 19 September, 2013, 11:31

    I lived in Ohio for most of my life than moved to South Central California for a few years and gladly moved back to Ohio soon after. What has been mentioned earlier were some of the main reasons, i.e. the people aren’t very nice (say hello to someone walking on the sidewalk and they look and don’t say a word back), the weather (while it was typically nice, I grew up with season the seasons actually change and not have everyday look similiar, so it was a preference issue), the immigrants (it amazes me how many people didn’t speak any English. And not just new immigrants, but those who have been here for 30 years yet make no attempt to learn English), the education system (Kern County was beyond corrupt and the student results were depressing, the worst school system I have ever witnessed).

    I just couldn’t imagine raising my family with the type of public school systems found in Central Cali. I’ve spent a lot of time in both LA and NYC and when asked the difference I simply state that I’d return to NYC with a smile any day of the week but I’d never, ever, want to return to LA! My wife is from San Diego, born and raised, and even prefers lovely Ohio to Cali!

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    • Jay
      Jay 25 August, 2014, 20:12

      Wow, now that is BAD! That is a HUGE statement in my opinion; preferring OHIO over California? I never been to California but I made the awful mistake of moving to Ohio for my job and it has been miserable. I have been to many states and I must say that without a doubt, Ohio is by far the worst. I don’t know why ANYONE would want to live here. Awful, awful state.

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  32. toldyaso
    toldyaso 13 October, 2013, 14:35

    It’s not like any number of people didn’t warn you of this. But you bought the easy way out with progressive lies. No, you come to texas and in 30 years we’ll be in the same boat. I can see it in Austin and Houston already. Keep yourself in California and fix it there. You people are like roaches. The problem isn’t California. It’s YOU. We in Texas enjoy success because of our conservative principles. When you outnumber us, we’ll end up just like you and then move again. Just look at history and there’s the only proof I need. I won’t need to argue with anyone here because time will prove me right. Texans will fight to keep what is traditionally “Texas”. You have no idea what it means to be a Texan because you tuck tail and run.

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    • Jasper426
      Jasper426 15 June, 2018, 15:15

      People leaving Cali remind me of the movie independence day they move from one place to another destroying everything and moving on idk why all these aholes don’t stay in there own states and fight for what they believe it sounds just like immigrants blaming everyone for their problems because they don’t have the ass to fight their own governments instead of going somewhere else for a free ride

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      • John and Rose Slater
        John and Rose Slater 6 December, 2019, 07:35

        That awfully Judgy Yo!
        Considering we are a NATION BUILT ON IMMIGRATION! So perhaps you should find out where your ppl come from and be grateful and kind! You will have a much better life with a little compassion and kindness to others less fortunate!
        Be Happy!
        Not a dick.

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  33. smitty
    smitty 2 November, 2013, 22:06

    Good, all of you conservaturds can get the fuck out and overpopulate Texas. You aren’t wanted here, fuck off so we can get back to work making this state great again.

    And take the Crystal Cathedral with you.

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  34. vuyp
    vuyp 10 November, 2013, 13:19

    I have lived in a few different states. I surprisingly also prefer Ohio over California, by a land slide!

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    • Jay
      Jay 25 August, 2014, 20:16

      Unbelievable! This is starting to really scare me because I was considering relocating to California. But these Ohio to Cali preferences are very strong statements Californians. I would find it extremely insulting if it were my home state.

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  35. Alan Wasner
    Alan Wasner 25 February, 2014, 09:59

    One place that many people over-look is the Coast of Oregon. Near Newport, which has excellent medical and other services including modern grocery stores, are small communities such as Otter Rock that are often over-looked. They’re wonderful places with essentially NO CRIME. In the 10 years I lived in Otter Rock there was ZERO reported crime. But online there aren’t statistics kept for some of these smaller towns. On the coast of Oregon you have to like weather and many people come there to storm watch, but the good thing is the storms don’t linger, they blow through. Often in the same day as a large storm we get sunshine in the afternoon, unlike Portland where it stays socked in for days. It’s a wonderful place with friendly people. No sales taxes, great benefits for Veterans with the State, and it’s not an over-developed nightmare.

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  36. Harry
    Harry 27 February, 2014, 13:14

    California is Beautiful. I am a fourth gen Californian here in the Bay Area, but as soon as my daughter is off to college I am out of this liberal progressive hell hole. Not for good. I own too much rental properties for that, but I LOVE gouging the liberals every month. Liberal scum aside, it is not that bad, but the taxes to pay for the losers like smitty. The thought of living in Texas with those inbreed idiots is just as bad as the liberaltards in California. I am looking at Arizona.

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    • Roger
      Roger 13 January, 2018, 17:20

      Texans are very nice as long as they are small town Texans. Calling them inbred isn’t fair.

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  37. Larry Miller
    Larry Miller 6 March, 2014, 21:13

    The invention of the microchip torpedoed California as the greatest state on earth. Corporations redefined the word greed to include; A. Outsourcing 90% of jobs to 3rd world countries to fatten CEO salaries and emoluments B started requiring long time loyal employees to clean out their desks by Friday C So they could be replaced by computers. D Then desk top jockeys started being downsized in favor of illegals who were encouraged to come into the state to “game the system”. E Those left were told learn Spanish fluently or get the […] out. F. Now you know why California is a […]. Don’t blame the liberals, the ACLU or other giveaway artists. Blame greedy f’n employers who would not hesitate to sell out their own grandmothers for 30 pieces of silver. Been there, seen that, done that.

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  38. Undisclosed
    Undisclosed 11 March, 2014, 05:59

    Is it worth moving to Sunnyvale, CA with a salary package of 140k per year for an IT professional?
    Will I be able to save anything?

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  39. Cali
    Cali 24 March, 2014, 15:05

    Yes. You will be. If you have family and kids then it’s different.

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  40. American
    American 26 May, 2014, 08:36

    California going down as poor criminal immigrants and their gangs and cartels move in. State debt rising. Cities declaring bankruptcy. Used to be a golden state. Now it’s just a proxy of Tijuana.

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  41. GiovanniTheGreat
    GiovanniTheGreat 29 June, 2014, 02:58

    I came to Sacramento area due to a new family situation that happened with my moms 3rd marriage. Ever since I got to the area, I’ve had trouble adjusting, moved to CA 3 times over 3 yrs due to some other escapes I tried to make and this isn’t even L.A. In fact sometimes I wonder if I’d be better off in L.A because at the very least theres so many more people to pick from and more transplants move there. Native Californians suck for the most part I won’t lie. Unless you’re in some nice urban part of Sacramento like East Sac or Fab 40s, it won’t feel as community oriented and as “cute”.
    I am originally from MA, lived in FL for 7 yrs and there, its all about neighborhood. If you don’t like a neighborhood you’re in, move to another and problem will be solved. In CA, you’re in one hellhole, you go to another. Any place is sprawl written and its all the same for the most part. Theres not as much diversity as you’d think. FL has a lot more diversity than CA.. YES I SAID IT. A lot more even with ethnicities also but I am also talking about diversity as far as vibe, traffic vs non traffic, coastal vs non coastal, older retirement complexes, transplanted resident neighborhoods, rednecks, more young people than most states.. South FL is the true melting pot, NOT California or Texas. Some parts of South FL are like Southern California just with less aggravation. But oh no, I am so sorry I told you all this now. California is a joke ,its overrated, full of wildfires and is going bankrupt. I will take floods and hurricanes anyday over dryness.

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  42. roni baxter
    roni baxter 11 September, 2014, 17:03

    Left Cali 12 yes ago for Arizona. When I go back it is a 3rd world country. Traffic and people are insane.

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  43. Alyssa from Alabama
    Alyssa from Alabama 23 October, 2014, 05:58

    I recently moved here from Alabama. To my surprise my neighboring city has declared bankruptcy. The education system here does in no way compare to the education system in Huntsville, AL. Most native Californians are not all that bright. I moved out here for grad school. I like the weather, the outdoor life, and the big city. However, after graduating there is no way I can afford to live in this state. Most of the affordable cities are ghetto or filled with Hispanics. The nicer cities are too much out of my price range. Looks like I’ll be moving back to AL when I’m done.

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  44. jose
    jose 3 November, 2014, 13:14

    i likes kalifurnia. lots of freee stuff

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  45. Anneley
    Anneley 19 January, 2015, 17:05

    I lived in Reno, NV until I was 11 and was forced to move to Dallas, Tx….. and to be honest I have hated living here every second. You think people in Cali are rude….. experience a “black person” from the ghetto here and you will change your mind. Jobs here don’t pay worth a damn…. and insurance sucks all the way around. I want to move out of here and have for 24 years now. Texas SUCKS!!!!!

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  46. Alex
    Alex 20 March, 2015, 09:49

    I used to live at CA (Campbell, Sunnyvale, Santa Clara, Union City) during 6 years.
    Nice climate at Bay Area can not compensate bull shit prices for crappy 50+ yrs old dog-shed (size and feel) homes. Nice 10yrs old home with a 8+ schools nearby will cost you 1-2M.
    Being a software engineer I was required to work as a workhorse almost at every company (welcome to Silicon Valley). 12+ working day with almost no weekends and family life sucks.

    Had a $140K salary, saved $200K over the time. One day just looked around and asked myself – do I really need to kill myself for crappy home living, w/o any confidence in tomorrow, just in the name of California ?

    Moved to VA then. Now have a $135K income (Company has a 7yrs contract with a goverment), brand new 3-floors 2-car garage 2000sqf townhouse (price $400K, HOA fee – $105) with LOT of brand new shopping/entertainment infrastructure nearby , 8-rate 2012 yr build school for my daughter, brand new Highlander and lot of cash as a safety bag.
    I pay $2115 for my home (with taxes, insurance and HOA fee). My friends at CA still continue to dreaming about better times, one of them paying $3000 for 2br rent at Peninsula, catching the rats at the kitchen (WTF ?).

    Ok, VA.

    Weather sometimes hot and humid at summer. That is not what happens every day and you have AC and you can manage that.
    I don`t really care about rains and fake VA winter (in comparison with Canada).

    People here more proprietary and family oriented at VA, which I prefer much more then hipsters and weed smokers everywhere.

    CCW permit is not a problem at VA. Just get it and obey all the rules.
    At CA you may just say Hi to gangster with gun and kiss his ass.

    Hunting and fishing public areas are in 1-2hrs driving, lot of game (got a 2 deers and number of birds that year). CA sucks in that point completely. You have to pay tons of $ to get a game at private land or drive long hrs to get something from public one. Extreme drought killed all the lakes and fish there.

    Now I have only one question for myself – why I didn`t move to VA earlier…

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  47. Nor-Cal John
    Nor-Cal John 27 April, 2015, 07:07

    So here’s my perspective, just mine.

    I was born in Santa Clara almost 50 years ago. I lived pretty close to there up until 2001 although I did live in Arcata, LA, and Vegas for brief stints. I also traveled to the east cost pretty frequently as a kid.

    In 2001 I left with the woman who would become my wife and her child from a previous marriage, the California family court system did have something to do with that decision although if her ex had been even slightly reasonable it wouldn’t have been a problem.

    We lived in Mesa, Arizona for 8 years where I struggled to get a decent job as a network admin (the position I left in CA). Also started up a business that was profitable in 2007 but you all know what happened then.

    In 2009 we moved to Northern Michigan. There were good reasons to do so but in the end I think it was a mistake for me. We had a business that never met expectations, and I really didn’t understand what 8 months of winter would do to my psyche.

    The last year or so I’ve gotten back into tech and worked several times in my old stomping grounds of Nor-Cal.

    I’m moving back, I just don’t know when. It will be a challenge since I have an established life here but I can’t see staying in a place where the options are so limited and the mindset so narrow. My wife loves it here though but she’s from Michigan so I can’t fault her. She also kept her high paying California job the whole time (telecommuter).

    Weather, culture, lifestyle, diversity, activity, commerce, and I could go on….

    Not a problem to me if people are leaving, I’m coming home!!!!


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    • Rex the Wonder Dog!
      Rex the Wonder Dog! 12 December, 2015, 23:30

      I lived in Michigan too, in East Lansing, and YES, it is overcast 29 days per month from October through May! But I got used to it. Have fun moving back to the Bay Area, or anywhere in CA really. We are also in a housing bubble, again. Who knows when this one will bust. I will predict the bottom falling out of everything in the next recession, thanks to CalTURDS and their pension noose they have put al of us in….

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    DRSNYDER 14 June, 2015, 06:34

    cost of living is even cheaper in Ohio I’m not real fond of Texas Lived in Fort Worth for 3 yrs couldnt wait to leave! Sorry Texans just being honest Also Texas is part of Tornado alley No thanks!

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  49. jayL
    jayL 11 October, 2015, 01:22

    Austin was a great liberty minded city until the californians moved in and screwed it all up.

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  50. soyalonzo
    soyalonzo 12 December, 2015, 19:44

    CA sucks no jobs, been looking for one year!, moved to Houston and had a job in 24 hrs.

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  51. deb
    deb 22 April, 2016, 13:18

    This comment might be a little late (this is from 2013) But I have lived in Arizona and Utah. I was born and raised in California. I moved away at 27 to Arizona, then to Utah. I absolutely loved Utah. I have moved back to California this year, and I hate it. I can’ t wait to move the hell out.

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  52. Pami
    Pami 26 September, 2016, 18:49

    Lots of people are moving to Pahrump Navada why because the weather is warm all year long.
    And There are Mountains on both side of the city of Pahrump.
    And it’s quite city and only has to stoplights in this town plus you can see lots of wildlife here.
    Has great public schools and only 1 hour away from Las Vegas.
    Has casinos in this town and great places to eat and you can drive your dirt bike in the desert.
    Lots more to do here, plus lots of land for sale to build your home or have a tiny home on wheels.

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  53. Jack
    Jack 26 September, 2016, 18:56

    Moving from California was the best thing I did. My family and me moved to Pahrump NV
    Get out of California and move to a place where you have fresh air.

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  54. El Rosa
    El Rosa 19 November, 2016, 21:11

    Mexican cartels are in charge of the border, La Raza and Mecha run the schools, unions are in control of Sacramento, and the gay-mafia from San Francisco issues their social justice decrees to follow. The state is now a one- political- party state. If you are a Democrat, don’t be a hypocrite and move. Stay there!

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  55. Jack Mills
    Jack Mills 4 January, 2017, 06:04

    Wonderful and decent post, Moving company this much helpful, nice moving tips. Thanks for such post and keep it up.

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  56. Squiddd
    Squiddd 5 May, 2017, 21:47

    It really sucks for people like me, a 3rd generation San Luis Obispo, small town native. We used to be a small, quaint, well kept secret and now it costs as much as $7250 a month to rent a crappy 4 bedroom close to Cal Poly. I wish all the hipstwr douchebag millennials who moved here from LA would move back to their own crappy neighborhoods they came from and stay there. It’s not fair that I won’t be able to raise my children in the same town my parents, grandparents, and I grew up in because I won’t be able to afford to buy a house here in ten years.

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    • Mama
      Mama 11 July, 2017, 21:59

      I’m from SLO as well!! Love this town but its not worth it! I’m a mom now with a baby & have been forced to move to Santa Maria & pay $1300 for a 1bedroom apartment! My husband makes $50k a year which in most places would provide a decent life..not here. as much as a penny pincher I am we can’t ever seem to get ahead. California has great weather but are you kidding Me? Are we really having to be this stressed all the time just to live somewhere there is no humidity? Nobody is able to own homes because you need $400k just to buy a 2 bedroom. We are out of here in a year.

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  57. Deb
    Deb 10 August, 2017, 14:50

    I was born and raised in southern California, then I moved to Arizona, then Utah. I have since moved back to Southern California, in a small town bordering the desert. The weather is the best in CA, BUT, I can’t wait to move back to Utah. There is a calmness in the living atmosphere there. The people say hello, and actually mean it. I miss it so much. I don’t care that it is a Mormon state: Mormons are really nice! California is my home state, but I am really anticipating my move back to Utah in a few years.

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  58. Sue
    Sue 13 January, 2018, 10:47

    Come on California, lets not let our beautiful state turn into Venezuela, I have just recently met a man moving his business with 100 employees to Arizona. Vote ffor John Cox and let’s take back our state.

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  59. An American Patriot
    An American Patriot 6 June, 2019, 14:16

    Post after post of people bashing a state of which they pledged their allegiance to. Sad in a way at how many of these so called Americans simply belive in things like the CONSTITUTION or the Pleage of Allegiance.
    Only when it is convenient for them to do so.

    It’s ONE NATION under God. Not to my state and some others I may agree with at the time. I guess only a true AMERICAN
    Would understand why it’s called the UNITED STATES vs just a bunch of states.

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  60. Doug Smith
    Doug Smith 23 July, 2019, 21:52

    I would move out of california! Gas is too expensive! It’s expected to hit $4.50 per gallon soon. Taxes and everything.

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  61. Stephanie Campbell
    Stephanie Campbell 23 July, 2019, 22:47

    Gas is to dam expensive in california! Run while you still can lol. Its expected to hit $4.50 soon.

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  62. Gabriel Acosta
    Gabriel Acosta 24 July, 2019, 23:11

    I personally don’t like the gun laws california has. I think a better state like Arizona or Nevadda is a must. California is getting rediculous with too many things.

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  63. Sarah Rachels
    Sarah Rachels 17 October, 2019, 15:51

    The cost of living here in california is insane.

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  64. Adam Paige
    Adam Paige 9 September, 2021, 05:59

    Moving work is very stressful.If you go to a new city then it takes a little time to match new city. California is really beautiful place. California climate is really too good. Your blog gives a lot of information regarding move in California. I’ve enjoyed reading the post. It is very supportive and useful post. Thanks a lot for this beauty Enjoying article with me.

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