Beyond MSM, Feinstein report knocked by left and right

Beyond MSM, Feinstein report knocked by left and right

feinstein-obamaThe release of the report by the Senate intelligence committee’s majority Democrats that annihilates the CIA for using torture for years even when the agency allegedly knew that it didn’t work has been treated by the mainstream media as a career achievement for California Sen. Dianne Feinstein, who chairs the committee.

This un-nuanced adoration could also be found from the longtime newspaper journos who run Calbuzz:

“Releasing this report is an important step to restoring our values and showing the world that we are a just society,” Feinstein said on the Senate floor, calling the CIA’s post 9/11 interrogation program, “a stain on our values and our history.”

Under enormous pressure, Feinstein could have punted, mumbled about bipartisanship and played it safe by letting Republicans water down the report or bury it for good after she loses her committee chairmanship when the new Senate convenes. Such an option was most likely a non-starter for someone of her self-regard, but that she ultimately did not choose it may well stand as the greatest legacy of the 81-year old Senator’s years in Washington.

But if you bothered to look beyond the conventional wisdom advanced by the New York Times and the print media, much of the Left wasn’t buying the Feinstein-is-a-hero narrative. This is from BuzzFeed’s news coverage:

The Central Intelligence Agency tricked everyone. Senate Democrats’ recently released inquiry into Bush-era torture revealed a lot of shocking new details, but none quite as shocking as the the idea that the CIA successfully misled Congress, President George W. Bush, and even top intelligence officials about how brutal and ineffectual the program really was.

Most damningly — and politically conveniently — the report somehow manages to combine harrowing details of torture while exonerating nearly every top official whose job it was to prevent it from happening, and place the blame on a powerful political entity that is the most likely to emerge unscathed: the CIA itself.

Fox News shows had many variations on the same theme of scapegoating and blame-ducking. Here’s an example:

SEAN HANNITY: Let’s go to Dianne Feinstein back in 2002 when she said the following, this was quoted in New York Times, where she said, you know, it took that real attack, I think, to kind of shiver our timbers enough to let is know that the threat is profound and that we have to do some things that historically we have not wanted to do to protect ourselves.

You were there. You knew these senators, these lawmakers. Do you remember any specific meetings? Was Dianne Feinstein told specifically what the CIA was doing in terms of enhanced interrogation?

JOSE RODRIGUEZ: There are about 40 instances where we briefed the Senate and the House intelligence committees over the life of the program from 2002 to 2009. And we briefed Dianne Feinstein and Nancy Pelosi and Rockefeller and many others all the time. And we at the outset, at the beginning, back in 2001, I remember very clearly them telling me, you know, the problem that you guys have is that you are risk adverse. You need to use the authorities that we have given you to go out there and destroy this organization and to kill bin Laden. So we feel that we briefed them and briefed them thoroughly, and they are, you know, hypocritical.

Libertarians and anyone who believes in individual rights and who fears government power have to be happy that Feinstein has to a degree pulled back the covers on the anti-terrorism industrial complex.

But anyone who has watched the good cop/bad cop routine from Washington pols on national security  is not likely to readily accept the Feinstein-as-hero narrative.


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  1. Timberrrrrr......
    Timberrrrrr...... 11 December, 2014, 10:25

    Feinstein has known about these US run foreign torture factories for years. She was in it up to her neck and did nothing to stop it. She let the CIA have it’s way by turning a blind eye. God almighty, we didn’t even do these sorts of things to high ranking Nazi prisoners of war. But back then we were actually a civilized nation and operated under a higher moral authority. Today the nation is run by a bunch of fascists who couldn’t care less about international law or even constitutional law if it stands in the way of personal gain. Whatever moral authority America has is now gone. And now she acts disgusted. What an actress she is! When she retires from politics (if ever) she should go to Hollywood and audition for the role of a madam at a brothel. Perfect typecast. This is the bottom line: Do you hear Feinstein or any of the thugs back in DC demanding a criminal investigation by a Special Prosecutor and anyone who established these torture factories OR managed OR participated in those gross torturous techniques (anal feedings, etc…) go to prison for a very long time??? N-O-P-E!!!! And you won’t either. They will be full of excuses for not doing so. Just like they are with cops who beat or kill citizens without cause. UNTIL PEOPLE GO TO PRISON FOR THESE ATROCITIES NOTHING CHANGES!!! N-O-T-H-I-N-G!!!! So sit back and enjoy the theater until another news story pops up and this one gets buried with ZERO reform!!! Putin was right. We are a lawless nation!!!! 🙁

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  2. Timberrrrrr......
    Timberrrrrr...... 11 December, 2014, 10:59

    The only reason Feinstein is making a stink about the CIA is to deflect all the current vitriol against Obama and the Democrat party and redirect it toward the Republican party. It’s all about politics and getting the upper hand! It’s got NOTHING to do with exposing injustice and international crimes perpetrated by the United States for the sake for virtue. If Bill Clinton was behind it should would remain silent!! Hell, Feinstein has known about these clandestine US-operated foreign torture chambers for years! Who’s kidding whom? This is only about redirecting vitriol in the direction of the GOP as we approach 2016.

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  3. SkippingDog
    SkippingDog 11 December, 2014, 12:19

    Yowling from both the Left and the Right? Sounds like DiFi hit it right about on the mark.

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    NTHEOC 11 December, 2014, 12:57

    I could careless what the CIA/FBI does to these jihadis behind closed doors! A slap, stripping them, water boarding, sleep deprivation, etc! Heck, bin laden got off easy. Let our special ops guys and gals do what they need to do to keep us safe! And we should all be thankful we were lucky enough to be BORN here where we have Police to enforce the law keeping us safe. Mabey some of you haters should go live in an area with no law enforcement, you will be crying to get back here to safety! Same goes for The Fire Dept!!!!!!

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    • Timberrrrrr......
      Timberrrrrr...... 11 December, 2014, 13:23

      Oh, so you want animals (coyotes) treated humanely in the other but you promote human torture, eh??? You’re a perfect example of how civility has eroded in the United States. How would you like YOUR soldiers tortured like we torture the muslims? Would you like that? If your brother was in the service and captured by the muslims – would you want him to receive an ‘anal feeding’. Would you? What goes around comes around, buddy. We didn’t even torture ranking Nazi henchman when they were captured. They were treated humanely by our government. And now you promote torture. God almighty! What has this nation come to. I feel like I live in the midst of a bunch of savages! 🙁

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      • NTHEOC
        NTHEOC 11 December, 2014, 16:26

        We didn’t even torture ranking Nazi henchman when they were captured. They were treated humanely
        How do you know?? We also didn’t have the advanced open media outlets, communication, and modern day technology that let people know what was happening in actual time. Seems people of that time didn’t bother to butt in on our special ops or question our leaders,or demonize our CIA/FBI, or sympathize with Nazis. Hell we dropped Nuclear bombs and they supported our govt! That’s right, after the attack on Pearl Harbor we dropped fricken nukes! Same thing for 911, after that kind of attack there are no more rules and I wish every American had the opportunity to SMACK a terrorist upside the face!!!!

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        • Timberrrrrr......
          Timberrrrrr...... 11 December, 2014, 17:31

          After the war the German soldiers held in US POW camps openly said that they were never physically tortured in our concentration camps. Even while the Germans massacred millions of jews. We were a humane nation. That was one of our trademarks. Dropping nukes on Japan was wrong, especially since negotiations were moving in the direction of a full surrender. We massacred hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians when it wasn’t necessary. Infants and women. That was not a proud moment in America’s history. The average American takes it lightly because it’s never happened to us. We’ve been protected by 2 oceans. But if anybody ever hits us with a nuke and takes out a major American city you would be singing a different tune, NTHEOC. Like most Americans, you are spoiled. You have no idea what war is all about. It’s okay if we bomb them. But it’s not fair if they bomb us. Right? This is the reason so many foreigners can’t stand Americans. The arrogance. 😉

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          • NTHEOC
            NTHEOC 11 December, 2014, 19:15

            Dropping nukes on Japan was wrong
            Oh C’mon man!! To say that the bomb was the wrong decision would be to ignore what the strategists at the time were thinking. At the time, while the United States knew Japan was looking for peace, when the Allies issued the ultimatum to Japan at Potsdam, there was not a clear indication of Japan’s next move, so as far as America knew, the war would drag on. It’s easy to have 20/20 hindsight, but in the heat of the moment, it was certainly the right move to do. We’re allowed to judge now because it is now, not 1945. What if Japan or Germany bombed us before we bombed them? The alternative is much worse, and there are no options that would call for complete peace. The situation was us or them!! Just like post 911 timberrrrrf, it’s us or them buddy so I say slap away!!!

          • Timberrrrrr......
            Timberrrrrr...... 11 December, 2014, 22:14

            Oh stop it, NTHEOC. You are trying to justify what we did and there is no jusitication. Japan was down on both hands and both knees. Their army was destroyed. We had their island surrounded. There was an embargo on all goods entering Japan. It was over for them. Any honest historian would tell you that. And when Japan had no fight left in them we dropped 2 atomic bombs on their civilian population killing and maiming hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians – to include infants and woman. Real civilized behavior, huh? I sure wouldn’t want to be where Truman is right now. That’s for sure.

            “What if Japan or Germany bombed us before we bombed them?”

            Yeah, and if your grandmother had a set of testicles she’d be your grandfather. Stop with the rationalizations please. Deal in facts.

            “The situation was us or them!! Just like post 911 timberrrrrf, it’s us or them buddy so I say slap away!!!” [EDITED]

    NTHEOC 11 December, 2014, 13:01

    I wonder if Donkeys FBI son is part of these torture allegations? Donkey has said many times he goes after terrorist. I hope not, I support his son in the fight against terrorism and would back him any day for pulling off the fingers of these hodgies! I’m not sure if Donkey supports his son though.

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    • Timberrrrrr......
      Timberrrrrr...... 11 December, 2014, 13:27

      The FBI doesn’t torture people, you ogre. The feebies generally play by the rules – BY THE CONSTITUTION – as they should. It’s the CIA who are defying the US Constitution and the rules that WE agreed to under the Geneva Convention!!! You are promoting SAVAGERY! And the same will happen to OUR soliders when captured by the enemy – an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. Why do you think journalists are getting their heads chopped off??? Do you support that too??? Well, if you support OUR SIDE doing it then YOU are indirectly responsible for what the other side does as well!!! 🙁

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      • NTHEOC
        NTHEOC 11 December, 2014, 19:45

        WE agreed to under the Geneva Convention
        Well it’s about time we update the old convention! The conventions don’t work because many “wars” today are not being fought by conventional armies. Instead they are fought by “freedom fighters”, separatists, anti western groups, ethnic groups etc. who weren’t trained or educated in conventional warfare. Are these POWs?

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        • Timberrrrrr......
          Timberrrrrr...... 11 December, 2014, 22:04

          Oh call them whatever you want, NTHEOC. War is war regardless what you choose to call the other side. And we start most of the wars today. We didn’t do that back in the day. Wars started then we got involved. Today we are the agitators and the nation builders. How would you like it if a foreign invading army entered your town and started blowing up your neighborhoods with guided missiles. You wouldn’t like it, would you? Or started a war on a false pretext and then killed 400,000 of your fellow citizens. You wouldn’t like that, would you? Isn’t that terrorism??? The old Geneva Convention works just fine as long as everyone abides by the agreement and honors their committment. But when one side violates the contract (cough, cough, USA) then it’s not worth the paper it’s written on. Show some honor and respect for civility, NTHEOC. One day our nation will be on the losing end and you’ll cry your eyes out.

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  6. Timberrrrrr......
    Timberrrrrr...... 11 December, 2014, 14:36

    Violence begets violence. One side does it then the other side returns the favor and then all the rules of civility get thrown out the window. POW’s then suffer terrible fates when imprisoned by the enemy. That’s what the Geneva Convention was all about, folks. To stop torture and crimes against humanity during international conflicts! And America AGREED to and is a signatory of the Geneva Convention. Americans who are caught engaging in this ILLEGAL conduct should go to prison for a very very long time and not hide behind the government’s authority. We scoffed the Nazis at the Nurenberg trials when they claimed “I was just following orders”. The Americans who established and worked at those US torture factories in Poland knew it was illegal when they did it. And there is no excuse for it. Yet I don’t hear ANYONE in Congress or the POTUS calling for a criminal investigation and punishment for those who participated. Yes, we are a lawless nation for those at the top. The laws only apply to we peasants!!! That is not a genuine moral nation. That is a third world banana republic run by a bunch of thugs and hypocritical fascists!

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    • NTHEOC
      NTHEOC 11 December, 2014, 15:33

      Oh stop being so over dramatic Timberrrr! Their is a big difference in an open hand slap and hooking somebody’s ears up to a battery cable and turning up the voltage. Your coyote comparison is also weak! I’m reading a great book right now called Unbroken, it is a story about Louis zamperini. Now he was tortured by the Japanese! Modern warfare is different than the past and these Muslim terror countries and groups do not obey any war rules. If a jihadist needs to smacked upside his grill for some info, then so be it!!! One of these smacks could be the difference between another 911 or a foiled plot against us…..

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      • Timberrrrrr......
        Timberrrrrr...... 11 December, 2014, 17:19

        After WW2 in 1940 all civilized nations signed onto the Geneva Convention to prevent things like US operated torture factories in Poland, NTHEOC. Either you are an honorable person who agrees that those CONTRACTS should not be violated and should be strictly adhered to. They are international LAWS, my friend. So you promote your country violating international laws? That’s the reason Putin called us a ‘lawless nation’. And he’s correct. It’s okay if we torture others, but it’s not okay if they torture us, eh NTHEOC? That’s the game you wish to play? Sorry, it doesn’t work out that way. Now when an American is captured by the muslims expect to get bamboo shoots shoved up under your fingernails and cattle prods on your testicles. What comes around goes around, pal. You can’t have it both ways. Either you are civilized or you are a savage. Pick one and then own it!!! 🙂

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  7. Timberrrrrr......
    Timberrrrrr...... 11 December, 2014, 22:59

    Well, I see the CronyBus spending bill passed in the House of Reps by 2 votes where the GOP has the large majority. The voters give them both the House and the Senate then they turn around and screw us. Is that any doubt now? Stuck into the bill was a full funding for Obama’s amnesty and a provision that puts the taxpayers on the hook for 100’s of trillions of financial derivatives if they blow up on Wall Street. This nation no longer operates under “consent of the governed”. It’s over. You are nothing more than chattel and walking ATM machines. Your voice doesn’t mean squat. Democracy? Only in Grimm’s fairytales. The ruling class won again. You lost. Are you finally getting used to it? Keep submitting. You’re owned!!! 😀

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