Venice Beach proposal roils topless debate

Venice beachInspired by a recent resurgence in partial nudity as a women’s rights issue, the Venice Neighborhood Council in Los Angeles recommended that topless sunbathing be permitted. In decades past, fully nude beachgoing had been tolerated. In a 12-2 vote, the VNC confirmed that it “supports women being afforded the same rights as men,” according to the Los Angeles Times.

“The city and county of Los Angeles prohibit nude or topless sunbathing. But Melissa Diner, the Venice council community officer who sponsored the resolution, said the panel would draft letters to Councilman Mike Bonin, Mayor Eric Garcetti and the Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors, which has jurisdiction over the beach, calling for Venice to be exempted.”

Big idea, small beach

Council community officer Melissa Diner called the matter “a serious equality issue” intended to “start a conversation about not only wanting to show our nipples on Venice Beach but about what else people want to see.” On social media, the “Free The Nipple” movement has caught on with a broad swath of younger generations around the world. At FreeTheNipple.com, organizers have displayed a mission statement, complete with a political agenda:

“We stand against female oppression and censorship, both in the United States and around the globe. Today, in the USA it is effectively ILLEGAL for a woman to be topless, breastfeeding included, in 35 states. In less tolerant places like Louisiana, an exposed nipple can take a woman to jail for up to three years and cost $2,500 in fines. Even in New York City, which legalized public toplessness in 1992, the NYPD continues to arrest women. We’re working to change these inequalities through film, social media, and a grassroots campaign.”

According to The Raw Story, although Diner was directly inspired by the Free The Nipple campaign, local skepticism remained significant:

“Linda Lucks, president emeritus of Venice neighbourhood council, doubted the proposal will win approval given the precedent. ‘Nude sunbathing was perfectly legal in L.A. until the mid 1970s when a formerly quiet nude beach was discovered by a man (with) a wide angle lens. The photos were published world wide causing a crush of voyers and poseurs, forcing the City Council to ban nude sunbathing city wide[.]'”

Although proponents of the topless ordinance pointed out that Venice had always aimed to bring a more European flair to Southern California, the speed of change in American sexual mores moved too quickly for the beachside neighborhood to manage the last time more permissive standards applied. “News crews swarmed,” the Times recalled. “Helicopters hovered. Lifeguards found themselves rescuing people with nothing material to grasp. Lascivious men in leisure suits showed up carrying cameras with telephoto lenses.”

A delicate balance

Eric GarcettiTo become law, the Venice scheme must pass mayoral muster — posing an unanticipated problem for Mayor Eric Garcetti. Garcetti has earned positive reviews for his back-to-basics “Great Streets” approach to improving L.A.’s quality of life. For many observers, Garcetti’s modest but focused effort has cast a significant contrast with former Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa’s more ambitious but less successful take on leadership.

In that sense, Garcetti would be well-positioned to defer to the wishes of the Venice Neighborhood Council. On the other hand, the topless ordinance would cut against Venice’s fresh reputation as the home of top-flight tech firms and pricey dining and shopping. Although Garcetti’s office has not ruled topless Venice beaches out of hand, as the New York Post reported, Garcetti’s director of communications, Yusef Robb, “appeared to pour cold water on the idea. ‘I think it’s safe to say that most of our constituents would rather we keep our eyes on more pressing problems facing our city,'” he said.

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  1. Mary
    Mary 30 April, 2015, 00:59

    Brainless feminists strike again! Women’s breasts are sexually arousing to men, who are generally bigger and stronger than women. To pretend this isn’t so invites trouble. Intelligent woman keep her breasts for intimate moments with her man. Women displaying breasts will, over time, desensitize men to their arousing effect, decreasing men’s impetus to marry.Childhood poverty is caused by the collapse of marriage. But feminazis don’t give a hoot. They play “victim” while caring nothing for children hurt by their pernicious policies.

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    • Michael
      Michael 5 July, 2022, 07:37

      Brainless Americans are sticking again! Topless is the norm on European beaches! You Americans are viewed by Europeans as being totally prudish weirdos. Grow up!! Yes breast are “arousing” as thongs are, yet thongs aren’t banned. What’s the problem? You guys really look like Saudi Arabie. I’m glad I whent away from this weird country!

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    • MICHAEL MAHE
      MICHAEL MAHE 5 July, 2022, 07:41

      Brainless Americans are sticking again! Topless is the norm on European beaches! You Americans are viewed by Europeans as being totally prudish weirdos. Grow up!! It has NOTHING to do with liberals or feminists, just being normal! Yes breast are “arousing” as thongs are, yet thongs aren’t banned. What’s the problem? You guys really look like Saudi Arabia! I’m glad I whent away from this weird country!

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    • MICHAEL MAHE
      MICHAEL MAHE 5 July, 2022, 07:48

      You are the “brainless” sticking again! Toplessness is the norm on European beaches! You Americans are viewed by Europeans as being totally prudish weirdos. Grow up!! It has NOTHING to do with liberals or feminists, just being normal! Yes breast are “arousing” as thongs are, yet thongs aren’t banned. What’s the problem? You guys really look like Saudi Arabia… I’m glad I whent away from this country… and no we don’t get “used to and not feel excited after”. Topless women just tan topless, you aren’t seeing the breast just few centimeters from your face, you aren’t touching them etc. Really you guys in the US… well many of you guys are just totally hypocrite and way too extrem in religion stuff.. relax a bit!

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  2. Bill Gore
    Bill Gore 30 April, 2015, 09:28

    Laying out naked in the California summer sun is really pretty stupid: a recipe for premature skin aging, cancer, etc…Having said that, will Americans EVER grow up culturally about sex and the human body? I mean, really, we are totally schizophrenic about this! We are saturated in porn, marinated in nonstop sex-based advertising, practically every form of sex is debated in public yet we then turn 180 degrees and get weird about the sight of a woman’s breasts. Unbelievable.

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  3. ItUsedToBeNiceHere
    ItUsedToBeNiceHere 30 April, 2015, 12:14

    Only free the ATTRACTIVE ones, OK???

    The worst part is, 97% of the ones that WANT to show ’em off are NOT worth looking at….

    LOSE/LOSE

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  4. John
    John 9 March, 2020, 22:00

    all very sexist comments. Only open minded people should go to Venice beach to begin with. I’m a man who goes topless, and no one wants to look my my man boobs either, but too bad. I’m not dressing for you.

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  5. Michael
    Michael 5 July, 2022, 07:39

    Brainless Americans are sticking again! Topless is the norm on European beaches! You Americans are viewed by Europeans as being totally prudish weirdos. Grow up!! It has NOTHING to do with liberals or feminists, just being normal! Yes breast are “arousing” as thongs are, yet thongs aren’t banned. What’s the problem? You guys really look like Saudi Arabie. I’m glad I whent away from this weird country!

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  6. MICHAEL MAHE
    MICHAEL MAHE 5 July, 2022, 08:01

    It seems like I can’t reply to anyone so… I will reply her to @Mary if ever she sees it!

    You are the “brainless” sticking again! Toplessness is the norm on European beaches! You Americans are viewed by Europeans as being totally prudish weirdos. Grow up!! It has NOTHING to do with liberals or feminists, just being normal! Yes breast are “arousing” …as thongs are, yet thongs aren’t banned. What’s the problem? You guys really look like Saudi Arabia… it’s just going to be few women being topless, a minority… I’m glad I went away from this country… and no we don’t get “used to and not feel excited after”. Topless women just tan topless, you aren’t seeing the breasts just few centimeters from your face, you aren’t touching them etc. They usually kind of hide a bit by going not close to other people etc really you guys in the US… well many of you guys are just totally hypocrite and way too extrem in religious stuff.. relax a bit! I say you guys but you’re actually a woman… concerning the supposed link with divorce rate and less kids… well it’s actually even the opposite that we can see if we compare to many European countries, less divorces, more kids. So toplessness isn’t going to do any bad. Relax!

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