PPIC poll ignores big drop in support for Brown’s tax

May 30, 2012

By Wayne Lusvardi

A recent California opinion poll selectively reports data only in favor of Gov. Brown’s tax increase proposal on the November 2012 ballot. Conversely, it ignores data indicating growing opposition to Brown’s package of income and sales tax increases.

The May 23 press release of the Public Policy Institute of California (PPIC) reported no change from April, whether voters would favor or oppose Brown’s budget and $15.7 billion tax increase proposal.  Here’s what PPIC press release reported:

Support For Brown Initiative Holds. A majority (56%) say they would vote yes on Brown’s tax initiative, with 38 percent saying they would vote no and 7 percent undecided.  This is similar to the results of the April survey in which 54 percent said they would vote yes (39% no, 6% undecided).

But question #34 in its May 2012 opinion poll reports that only 41 percent favor Brown’s tax plan and 50 percent oppose it.

That would reflect a 13 percent drop in favorability for Brown’s tax plan since April.

This also indicates a rise from 39 percent to 50 percent — or a total of 11 percent — of those who oppose Brown’s proposed tax increase.

Unsurprisingly, PPIC was negligent in not accurately reporting the decline in support for and increase in opposition to Brown’s tax measure.

Here’s the results of PPIC’s new poll excerpted verbatim from their website:

34. On another topic, Governor Brown recently released a revised budget plan for the next fiscal year to close the state’s projected $15.7 billion budget deficit. It includes spending cuts to Medi-Cal, welfare, childcare and other social service programs
and to courts and state employee compensation. It increases funding for K-12 public education. The proposal includes tax increases that would have to be approved by voters through an initiative on the November ballot. In general, do you favor or oppose the governor’s budget plan?

– 41% favor 
– 50% oppose
– 3% haven’t heard anything about the budget (volunteered)
– 6% don’t know 

The reported 41 percent who favor Brown’s tax and the 50 percent who oppose it is unlikely a mistake because all the numbers including “don’t know” add up to 100 percent. The growing — but unreported — opposition to Brown’s tax proposition is consistent with the public’s growing opposition to raising the state sales tax and cigarette tax — Prop 29.

Near supermajority oppose raising sales tax not reported

Part of Gov. Brown’s tax increase proposal includes a one-quarter percent (0.25 percent) increase in the base sales tax rate from 7.25 percent to 7.50 percent.  This proposed sales tax rate increase is being touted as “temporary.”  But California’s “temporary” two-year one percent sales tax increase expired on July 1, 2011.

The PPIC May 2012 poll press release inconsistently reports that the support for the proposed sales tax increase has dropped to 58 percent. But the actual reported results to the poll indicate that support for a sales tax rate increase was only 33 percent in May. Here is the actual PPIC opinion poll question and results excerpted from their website:

May 2012 PPIC Poll Result:

33. Do you favor or oppose raising the state sales tax?

– 33% favor
– 64% oppose
– 3% don’t know

The April 2012 PPIC poll reported 33 percent of voters were in favor and 52 percent opposed to raising the sales tax, even for K-12th grade public schools (see question #33 in April poll).  Thus, there was an apparent 13 percent drop in those favoring an increase in the state sales tax rate from April to May 2012.

Additionally, there was a 12 percent increase in those opposed to a sale tax rate increase.

But once gain, the PPIC poll press release failed to report the drop of those in favor and the rise of those opposed to a sales tax rate increase.

Support for cigarette tax drops 14 points

PPIC also reported Proposition 29 — the cigarette tax — dropped 14 points from March to May. Support dropped from 67 percent to 53 percent.  The 14 percent drop is consistent with the 13 percent drop in support for Brown’s income tax and sales tax rate increases. PPIC reports the change in public opinion on the cigarette tax accurately.

Voter lack of trust extends to opinion polls

To sum up:

PPIC reports support for Gov. Brown’s proposed budget and tax package increase is holding steady at 56 percent in May 2012 compared to 54 percent in April 2012.  The actual PPIC poll results indicate support for Brown’s tax dropped to 41 percent, a 13 percent drop in May. Opposition to Brown’s tax package rose from 39 percent to 50 percent, an 11 percent unreported jump in May.

PPIC accurately reports that those FAVORING a sales tax increase held steady at 33 percent from April to May 2012.  But PPIC failed to report that those voters OPPOSED to a sales tax rate increase rose from 52 percent to 64 percent from April to May 2012. This is nearly a supermajority — two thirds — of the voters opposed to a sales tax increase. This indicates a 12 percent increase of those OPPOSED to sales tax rate increase. Once again, PPIC fails to report this in their press release. The PPIC May 2012 press release does not specifically report the change of voters FAVORING or OPPOSING a sales tax increase.

PPIC April and May 2012 reported and actual poll results

PPIC Poll
April 2012
ACTUAL
PPIC Poll
May 2012
ACTUAL
Percent Change of Voters – April to May
ACTUAL
What PPIC Press Release Reported PPIC
Reporting Discrepancy
 

Brown Budget & Tax Package Increase

54%
IN FAVOR
41%%
IN FAVOR
13% drop of those IN FAVOR Majority of voters (56%) FAVOR Brown’s Tax Increase PPIC puffed up those in FAVOR of tax by 15%
39% OPPOSED 50% OPPOSED 11% Increase in those OPPOSED Rise in those OPPOSED not reported PPIC ignored 11% increase in those OPPOSED to tax hikes
 

State Sales Tax Rate Increase

33% IN FAVOR 33% IN FAVOR No Change PPIC reported no change No discrepancy
52%
OPPOSED
64%
OPPOSED
12% Increase of those OPPOSED PPIC said 58% OPPOSED to sales tax rate increase as of May 2012 PPIC omitted 12% increase in those OPPOSED to tax
Cigarette Tax – Prop 29 67% IN FAVOR 53% IN FAVOR 14% drop in those who FAVOR tax 14% drop in those who FAVOR tax No discrepancy
PPIC April 2012 Poll: http://www.ppic.org/main/publication.asp?i=1014
PPIC May 2012 Poll:  http://www.ppic.org/main/publication.asp?i=1019
PPIC Press Release: http://www.ppic.org/main/pressrelease.asp?i=1236

 

The PPIC polls selectively reports data in support of tax increases and ignores data showing growing voter opposition to tax increases.  The actual data trend from April to May is consistent across the board: there is growing opposition to Brown’s tax increase package and the proposed cigarette tax hike — Prop 29 — from 11 percent to 14 percent.  This trend cuts across both those reporting support for a tax increase and those opposing a tax increase.  But PPIC selectively only focuses public attention on the data supporting tax increases.

The May PPIC poll indicated a growing “lack of trust of voters this election season.”  To this might be added a growing lack of voter trust of any opinion polls dealing with taxes.

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  1. Ted Steele, American
    Ted Steele, American 30 May, 2012, 09:47

    Well– I for one favor it!

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  2. Wayne Lusvardi
    Wayne Lusvardi 30 May, 2012, 10:20

    To Ted Steele
    Now at least your will learn that you are in the minority as to support for Gov. Brown’s tax.

    WL

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  3. Beelzebub
    Beelzebub 30 May, 2012, 10:41

    And what have I told you folks time and time and time and time again about PPIC polls??? DON’T BELIEVE THEM OR HOW THEY ARE INTERPRETED BY PPIC!!!!

    Why would anyone be shocked about this???

    This is simply more false reporting on behalf of those who disseminate vital information to the public so that voters can make intelligent decisions at the polls. JUST LIKE THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA REPORTS FALSE INFORMATION OR CONVENIENTLY HIDES FACTUAL INFORMATION TO MANIPULATE THE MINDS OF THE MASSES!!!

    So instead of being shocked just calmly state “Look, they did it again”. That’s the way to approach these matters. Point out the false spin to everybody who reads your stuff. And make it clean that it’s NO LONGER THE EXCPETION TO THE RULE. IT HAS EVOLVED INTO THE RULE!!!!

    This is YOUR country, folks!!! It is YOUR children’s future!!!

    FIGHT BACK FOR GOD SAKES!!!! 🙁

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  4. Ted Steele, American
    Ted Steele, American 30 May, 2012, 11:08

    Wayner—

    True that. Well at least in that poll. There are others. And, to be sure the Gov. has his work cut out for him. There are still folks in Cali who buy in to the cult like obsession with absolutely no tax increases even though their hero RR raised taxes 11 times…..aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaany way, what is it the pols always say? …”the only poll that counts is on election day”?

    Ted

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  5. ExPFCWintergreen
    ExPFCWintergreen 30 May, 2012, 11:24

    But I am told all the time that PPIC is studiously non-partisan! This misrepresentation by PPIC is about as surprising as the sunrise. PPIC timed its first polling on the tax increases to coincide with Brown’s announcement of the scheme. It couldn’t have been a more coordinated campaign between Brown and PPIC operatives. PPIC is basically a state version of Media Matters for America. It will be interesting to see the spin emanating from PPIC when the reality sets in that a vast majority of voters will not vote for this garbage

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  6. Ted Steele, American
    Ted Steele, American 30 May, 2012, 11:27

    ExPFC– Good points.

    I am sure there is no spin on your side of this issue—pheeeeeeeeew.

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  7. Bob
    Bob 30 May, 2012, 11:35

    Hey Teddy Steal, if you feel so strongly that our politicians should get even more money will YOU send them more of YOUR money if these tax increases fail to be passed?

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  8. Beelzebub
    Beelzebub 30 May, 2012, 11:50

    “Well– I for one favor it!”

    Wow. Another shocker in the daily news.

    If this keeps up the sun may eventually set in the east. heh. 😉

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  9. Beelzebub
    Beelzebub 30 May, 2012, 11:51

    “Hey Teddy Steal, if you feel so strongly that our politicians should get even more money will YOU send them more of YOUR money if these tax increases fail to be passed?”

    He’s a liberal, bob. He wants the misery equally distributed but the money going only to a select few. 😀

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  10. queeg
    queeg 30 May, 2012, 12:34

    Teddy will pay his fair share to evert a financial meltdown…high interest rates….negative cash flow….hooligans ruling the streets….rampant infectious disease in dense urban areas….pensions cut…..convicts freed early….education of young people cut to the bone…conservative pundits foaming at the mouth.

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  11. Beelzebub
    Beelzebub 30 May, 2012, 13:03

    OMG. He’s back. God help us.

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  12. Wayne Lusvardi
    Wayne Lusvardi 30 May, 2012, 14:39

    Let me clarify. PPIC did not lie in reporting results of their poll. They just underreported certain findings that are negative to tax increases and over-reported findings that seemed to favor tax increases.

    As to the question of spin – this website has an advertised free market spin. We don’t try to be objective in the way newspapers often do – which is a fake objectivity where the real story gets buried in the last paragraph of an article that no one reads.

    There is also the problem of subjectivity in reporting in most newspapers. The reporting model used is what I call “he said – she said” journalism. He said…X She conversely said…Y. Who’s right? Who knows? So I try to anchor many of my stories with numbers, census data, or some other verifiable fact(s) the anchor the story in reality. Sometimes we do interviews – but mainly of those the newspapers fail to interview.

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  13. Ted Steele, American
    Ted Steele, American 30 May, 2012, 14:41

    OK, I AM a fool, we all know that. I am a trough sucking low life who could only get a job in Government because Walmart would not hire me, what can I say 🙂

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  14. Beelzebub
    Beelzebub 30 May, 2012, 15:46

    “PPIC did not lie in reporting results of their poll. They just underreported certain findings that are negative to tax increases and over-reported findings that seemed to favor tax increases”

    Wouldn’t that be an example of dishonesty, Wayne? PPIC is supposed to be providing a non-biased, upfront and transparent representation of public sentiment. What would you call it when PPIC emphasizes the positive angle for one side of the political spectrum and omits vital information that would lend positive momentum for the other??? What connotations arise for a polling agency that “underreports” for one side and “overreports” for the other??? I ask you to take this a step further if you please!

    “We don’t try to be objective in the way newspapers often do – which is a fake objectivity where the real story gets buried in the last paragraph of an article that no one reads”

    I understand that CWD is quite subjective and even biased on some topics of interest. I take that for granted when I visit your website. And you certainly have that right. I come here because the actual data you present is compelling and mostly complete. The articles are in-depth and, for the most part, don’t leave me quessing. I don’t pay much attention to your actual opinions on the subject matter. I draw my own conclusions by taking your data into account. I do wish you would be more objective on topics like Wall Street criminality and illegal immigration and California’s welfare state. But I have no control over that. However, I will not hesitate to point out any discrepancies that I might come across, as full disclosure is vital if we are to remain (or restore) a free society.

    “There is also the problem of subjectivity in reporting in most newspapers”

    If they want to be subjective on the editorial or opinion pages – that’s fine. But when they start spinning and selectively reporting hard news – at that point our freedoms and civil rights are under threat. At that point they have violated their obligations as journalists. The primary purpose of the mainstream media IMO is to report the truth and to prevent tyranny. From what I’ve seen – especially in the last decade – is that the mainstream media is selectively reporting major news and placing their own special spin on the reports that backstop the established powers. IMO that’s wrong. It’s deceitful, it’s dishonest and IMO a violation of journalistic ethics. It’s the pravdatization of America. And that is very scary to many of us who understand the ramifications. Tyranny is a progressive disease, my friend.

    Overall, I give CWD a “B” grade in your efforts to report the truth. You are better than most.

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  15. Dyspeptic
    Dyspeptic 30 May, 2012, 18:53

    Ted Steal, Commie Killer said
    “OK, I AM a fool, we all know that. I am a trough sucking low life who could only get a job in Government because Walmart would not hire me, what can I say”
    Finally, we agree on something.

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  16. Beelzebub
    Beelzebub 30 May, 2012, 19:53

    Looks like Teddy had an epiphany. Perhaps a burning bush in form of a swine. Let’s all pray he’s turned the corner. To pass the test he must repeat 3x’s: ‘Public pensions are thievery’. Come on, Teddy! You can do it! 🙂

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  17. Wayne Lusvardi
    Wayne Lusvardi 30 May, 2012, 20:49

    PPIC is non-partisan as they advertise. They don’t take a position according to political party.

    What they do however is find data in opinion polls to support non-corporate taxes. They are funded by corporate foundations. They don’t want taxes loaded on big corporations. So they appear to be pro-tax when they are really anti-corporate tax. PPIC just doesn’t disclose that is what they stand for. But you can’t accuse them of false advertising – they are non-partisan.

    All data requires interpretation. So they report opinion poll data from a slant. They have the right to do so under free speech laws. Like in all things, however, it is caveat emptor – buyer beware. So it is up to the reader of their polls to educate themselves about where PPIC is coming from in their polls. It should be self-obvious from the names of the big corporate foundations that support them.

    I’m not anti-corporation or anti-free speech. I’m just for full disclosure. But in this case it is up to the reader to use discernment with their press releases. PPIC has done some policy studies that are well worth reading. Let’s respect where they are coming from and avoid unjustifiably bashing them. California needs a pro-corporate voice in public policy.

    In Communist Russia there were no corporations – business organizations separate from the state. Corporations don’t always want corporate welfare as much as they want to avoid taxation just like homeowners, small businesspersons, and many libertarians. Nothing wrong with that.

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  18. Beelzebub
    Beelzebub 30 May, 2012, 21:27

    “PPIC is non-partisan as they advertise. They don’t take a position according to political party”

    Sorry, Wayne. For as long as I have followed PPIC polls I have NEVER seen them slant in the direction of the Republicans or the conservatives – the slant is ALWAYS to the left. So as one consumer of information – I am highly suspicious of their ‘non-partisan’ claim. And if PPIC is slanted in favor of corporations then the slant SHOULD be more to the right than to the left – since the right and the corporations have more commonalities. So I find it hard to connect your dots here.

    “So they report opinion poll data from a slant. They have the right to do so under free speech laws”

    Sure they have that right. But the consumer also has a right to a disclosure attesting to this ‘slant’. Polling agencies by their very nature disseminate information to the public that is often used to manipulate sentiment and attitudes. We EXPECT polling agencies to be STRAIGHT without a ‘slant’. Having a ‘slant’ only harms their reputations in the industry. If all use this ‘slant’ then sooner or later no one will believe them anymore. So if they use a ‘slant’ it only stands to reason that there should be a disclaimer on every poll that they publish. That would be fair to the public, would it not??? You wouldn’t want me to mislead you in a business deal. I don’t want to be misled by a polling agency without knowing it in advance either. That should be MY right. FULL DISCLOSURE!

    “But in this case it is up to the reader to use discernment with their press releases”

    No. In an ethical and honorable system it should be up to the one who disseminates the information to inform the consumer UP FRONT that the information presented may have a ‘slant’ to it. The consumer should not be forced to figure this out. What you are promoting is trickery. And being a journalist – you should think twice before you advance such an opinion.

    “Let’s respect where they are coming from and avoid unjustifiably bashing them”

    I respect people and organizations that are up front and honest with me. I respect people and organizations who don’t try to pull the wool over my eyes or fool me with ‘slant’. That is the way I deal with people in my daily life. And I EXPECT the same in return. Again, RESPECT is not an automatic – IT IS AN EARNED VIRTUE. Please don’t dilute it.

    “In Communist Russia there were no corporations – business organizations separate from the state. Corporations don’t always want corporate welfare as much as they want to avoid taxation just like homeowners, small businesspersons, and many libertarians. Nothing wrong with that”

    What the heck are you talking about??? Have you been asleep for the past 6 years? The state powers and the corporate powers have MERGED, my friend. That’s not Communism. That’s fascism! Corporations have caused tremendous damage to the financial well-being of our beloved nation. TEH EVIDENCE THAT SUPPORTS THAT FACT IS ABSOLUTELY OVERWHELMING! It’s disconcerting that a man who comes across so intelligent on some matters could be so willfully ignorant on others. And that’s not an insult, btw. It is simply an empirical observation.

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  19. Beezlebub
    Beezlebub 30 May, 2012, 22:08

    Ted is correct— I am a talking point moron Republican!

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  20. Ted Steele, toilet cleaner
    Ted Steele, toilet cleaner 30 May, 2012, 22:13

    Beezy– Posting under my name is a no no little buddy.

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  21. Ted Steele, toilet cleaner
    Ted Steele, toilet cleaner 30 May, 2012, 22:15

    Queeg is correct!

    Live it
    Learn it
    Love it

    Trolls discuss-

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  22. Beelzebub
    Beelzebub 30 May, 2012, 22:21

    “Beezy– Posting under my name is a no no little buddy”

    If you are going to accuse me of posting under your moniker – you’d better have proof, little man.

    I will say this ONE TIME and that’s it.

    I have NEVER posted using your moniker or ANYONE’s moniker other than my own.

    Now I will wait for your apology.

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  23. Ted Steele, toilet cleaner
    Ted Steele, toilet cleaner 31 May, 2012, 06:42

    Beezyboob— Why did you post under my name? I know you did it, I just want to know why you did it???—- Ted

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  24. Beelzebub
    Beelzebub 31 May, 2012, 08:33

    “Beezyboob— Why did you post under my name? I know you did it, I just want to know why you did it???—- Ted”

    You mean this one??

    “OK, I AM a fool, we all know that. I am a trough sucking low life who could only get a job in Government because Walmart would not hire me, what can I say”

    Maybe you did it and don’t remember, Barney. You aren’t on the hootch, are ya?

    I thought that perhaps you found religion or some spiritual path that compelled you to repent.

    But if somebody else did it I must say he or she has a great sense of humor. I laughed out loud when I read it.

    Lighten up, Barn.

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  25. Ted Steele, American
    Ted Steele, American 31 May, 2012, 08:51

    Well that confirms it for me— you DID post it. You need to abide by the rules out here if you want to continue to have a place to post your non stop waste verbage. Mmmmmmmmmm

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  26. Dyspeptic
    Dyspeptic 31 May, 2012, 09:04

    Regarding the issue of non-partisanship in polling and journalism, here is a point which should be obvious. One can be overtly non-partisan but still highly biased ideologically. The non-partisan label only means you don’t take an explicit stand in favor of a particular political party. It says nothing about your political ideology, values or agenda.

    The lamestream journolist media love to play this trick on their sucker readers. How often do you read “news” articles in which an important source is described only as non-partisan? This label is an attempt to mislead gullible readers by implying incorrectly that the source has no political agenda. Hogwash!

    Many news sources relied on by hack reporters and editors don’t disclose a partisan preference because they are non-profit organizations forbidden from doing so by the IRS code. By that standard virulently left wing non-profit groups like Rainbow PUSH, ACORN, Southern Poverty Law Center and The Natural Resources Defense Council are all “non-partisan”.

    Does anyone with a functioning brain really believe such groups are non-partisan? Of course they are hardcore left wing agitators who carry water for the Demonrat faction of the ruling elite. Just like the despicable troll reporters who mascarade as unbiased journalists while spewing left wing partisan crap passed off as fact. The non-partisan label is completely useless, deceptive and irrelevant. It’s all about ideology, values and agenda baby!

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  27. Ted Steele, American
    Ted Steele, American 31 May, 2012, 09:25

    Dyspeptic—- Sounds to me like you’re talking about Fox News!

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  28. Dyspeptic
    Dyspeptic 31 May, 2012, 09:41

    Yes, Fox News, CNN, MSNBC, ABC, NBC, CBS, The New York Times (Izvestia On The Hudson), The Washington Post (Pravda On The Potomac) and on, and on, and on. How predictably pathetic Teddy that you respond in such knee jerk partisan fashion just like the Demonrat flunky you are. Some folks just can’t stand the truth because it requires more intellectual and moral courage than they can muster. Tsk, Tsk, Tsk.

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  29. Ted Steele, American
    Ted Steele, American 31 May, 2012, 09:57

    Dyspeptic– I will try to soldier on after the drubbing you attempted but….Fox News stands way out above all others in it’s complete Pravadaesque skew on reality. They deserve a “shout out” ™

    Now…..put down your Swanson’s Hungry Man ™ and lumber on over to the TV….power up….ahhhhh tut tut….that’s better…mmmmmmm

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  30. Beelzebub
    Beelzebub 31 May, 2012, 10:11

    “Well that confirms it for me— you DID post it”

    Go suck an egg, you swine. 🙂

    “You need to abide by the rules out here if you want to continue to have a place to post your non stop waste verbage”

    Up yours.

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  31. Edward Steele, Chief Investigator
    Edward Steele, Chief Investigator 31 May, 2012, 10:39

    You wrote…Go suck an egg, you swine.

    OH Beezyboob—-do you think a personal attack and a childlike one at that is worthy of you?

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  32. Dyspeptic
    Dyspeptic 31 May, 2012, 10:40

    Pathetically juvenile response as usual Teddy. You have the intellectual substance of a twinkie. Why don’t you run along now and play your brainless Red Team vs. Blue Team game somewhere else. Those of us who aren’t victims of the government education monopoly know better.

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  33. Edward Steele, Chief Investigator
    Edward Steele, Chief Investigator 31 May, 2012, 10:41

    “victims of the guvment education monopoly”?

    Huh?

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  34. queeg
    queeg 31 May, 2012, 10:58

    Sharp tongues sink ships!!!!

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  35. Beelzebub
    Beelzebub 31 May, 2012, 12:00

    “OH Beezyboob—-do you think a personal attack and a childlike one at that is worthy of you?”

    Accusing someone of doing something wrong that they took no part in is not only a personal attack – it is libelous.

    And funny that you can accuse someone of being racist for using a proven non-racist phrase – yet edit a moniker of another poster with a hateful and sexist description of a female body part and still have the audacity to look into the mirror in the morning. You sexist slime swine! 🙂

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  36. Beelzebub
    Beelzebub 31 May, 2012, 12:04

    “Pathetically juvenile response as usual Teddy. You have the intellectual substance of a twinkie”

    Oh, be careful, Dys. Teddy is a college grad with a philo degree!!! HAH! He is a member of the nation’s intelligensia. Can’t you tell??? HAH! Apparently he is a former gov employee who had a highly respectable job! HAH!

    It is what it is. All you need to do is read his posts and they fit perfectly with his background and achievements!!! HAH!

    Laugh at him. He’s the clown jester of CWD!!! 😀

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  37. Edward Steele, Chief Investigator
    Edward Steele, Chief Investigator 31 May, 2012, 13:30

    Take a deep breath Beezy– It’ll be ok.

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  38. Ted Steele, American
    Ted Steele, American 1 June, 2012, 11:48

    Public pensions are thievery

    Public pensions are thievery

    Public pensions are thievery

    It feels so good to cleanse the soul when you purge yourself of your own lies and fraud 😉

    Thank you Beezy-I HAVE seen the light 🙂

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  39. Edward Steele, Chief Investigator
    Edward Steele, Chief Investigator 1 June, 2012, 13:28

    Wheen Beezy is gone this lomng I worry about him.

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  40. Beelzebub
    Beelzebub 1 June, 2012, 22:06

    “Thank you Beezy-I HAVE seen the light”

    Don’t mention it, Teddy.

    I am here to help.

    It’s been a tough day for you.

    Go get some shuteye. 😀

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  41. Ted Steele, American
    Ted Steele, American 2 June, 2012, 08:38

    You are very wise Beezy 😉

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  42. Richard Rider
    Richard Rider 2 June, 2012, 08:39

    It’s the false choice PPIC prefers — raise taxes or cut services.

    But there’s a third choice — deliver the services at considerably less cost. Two methods:

    1. Parity — making government compensation the same as the private sector average, adjusting for job security, retirement, etc.

    2. Contract out the taxpayer-funded services whenever possible — savings of 30%-50% are quite attainable.

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  43. Richard Rider
    Richard Rider 2 June, 2012, 08:48

    Historically, such tepid support for a tax increase at this early stage — with rigged questionnaires and before the tax opponents present their case to the public and the press — spells doom for the proposal. Let’s hope these latest attempts to commit California economic suicide fail as usual.

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  44. Ted Steele, toilet cleaner
    Ted Steele, toilet cleaner 2 June, 2012, 10:59

    Beezyboob— still using my name in violation of the rules?

    hmmmmm

    at least try to be more clever with the posts….maybe ask an adult friend?

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  45. Beelzebub
    Beelzebub 2 June, 2012, 13:10

    I wouldn’t pretend to be you if my life depended on it.

    I would never stoop so low.

    I’d have to stand in the shower for 3 hrs. to wash it all off.

    😀

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  46. Ted Steele, toilet cleaner
    Ted Steele, toilet cleaner 2 June, 2012, 15:58

    mmmmmmmmmm long showers with your picture of Glen Beck….mmmmmmmmmmmm

    discuss now !!

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  47. Beelzebub
    Beelzebub 2 June, 2012, 20:31

    I heard there’s an interior designer exhibit at the convention center. You and queeq should attend and go dutch. Afterward you could go bar hopping in Santa Ana. 😀

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  48. Ted Steele, Prosecutor
    Ted Steele, Prosecutor 2 June, 2012, 20:59

    Beezy? Homophobic too? hmmmmmmmm

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  49. Beelzebub
    Beelzebub 2 June, 2012, 22:07

    Not at all. Just thought you 2 would like to hang out together. You seem to have lots in common. Probably more than what we see at face value. I’ve often been described as a matchmaker and I sense that you 2 would hit it off in a grand way. Take a chance. 🙂

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  50. Ted Steele, Prosecutor
    Ted Steele, Prosecutor 2 June, 2012, 22:31

    hmmmm

    why are you continually having these thoughts about other men little buddy?

    No judgement here dude! It’s cool.

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  51. Beelzebub
    Beelzebub 2 June, 2012, 22:51

    I bet Queeq looks pretty darn good sitting on a barstool at final call, Teddy. 😀

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  52. Ted Steele, Prosecutor
    Ted Steele, Prosecutor 3 June, 2012, 08:42

    Beezy? You STILL hanging out in alternative lifestyle bars? I thought you stopped that????

    oh my.

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  53. Beelzebub
    Beelzebub 3 June, 2012, 09:29

    Did you have a good time last night, Teddy?

    I don’t believe for a second that you went to bed @ 10pm on a Sat night. heh.

    Fess up! 😀

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