Tax slave revolt against union tyranny spreads

Sept. 18, 2012

By John Seiler

The problem with public-employee unions getting collective bargaining is that they then sit on both sides of the negotiating table. “This is our opportunity to elect our own bosses,” as union leader Ronda Walen put it in an election two years ago.

If you elect your “own boss,” then it’s not surprising that your “boss” — you — is over-generous with pay and benefits because other people — the taxpayers — pick up the bill.

As public coffers dive down in bankruptcy, people around the country are reacting.

In Wisconsin, Republican Gov. Scott Walker pushed through reforms that limited government-union power. A state judge just struck down the reforms, but there will be appeals.

In California, we have on the November ballot Proposition 32, the “Paycheck Protection Initiative,” which would ban unions heisting money directly from members’ paychecks.

Also, in Michigan, voters will need to reject Proposal 2, the so-called “Protect our Jobs Amendment.” The unions are pushing it because it would, among other things, “Invalidate existing or future state or local laws that limit the ability to join unions and bargain collectively, and to negotiate and enforce collective bargaining agreements, including employees’ financial support of their labor unions. Laws may be enacted to prohibit public employees from striking.”

Basically, it would ban the Michigan Legislature from itself passing something like Walker’s reforms. Initiatives still could do so by effectively repealing Proposal 2, should it pass.

Michigan is a heavily unionized state. But its unions, unlike in most places, largely are in the private sector, especially the United Auto Workers union. The problem is not private-sector unions. If you don’t like the UAW, you don’t have to buy GM, Ford or Chrysler cars. You can buy something else.

But with government unions, you have no choice — except to move. Otherwise, if you stay put and subject yourself to their tyrannies, you become their tax slave.

Of course, the limit eventually is reached when the tax slaves’ backs start breaking from the immense load placed upon thems, which is where we are now, especially on the public pension issue.

The government-worker unions can elect their “own bosses” all they want to, but now, like in “Spartacus” (1960 movie picture above), the tax slaves are revolting.

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  1. Queeg
    Queeg 18 September, 2012, 08:45

    There is no revolt…..these articles are red meat for bunker dwellers not normal Californians.

    The usual kooks and loons comment please!

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  2. John
    John 18 September, 2012, 09:38

    Regardless of any hyperbole, CA is in an unsustainable situation. The net effect of public employees unions being able to contribute to politicians and political campaigns is that we have a closed loop here — Tax Dollars => Public Worker => Public Employee Unions => Politicians => Raise Taxes => More Tax Dollars to Public Workers => Repeat Cycle Until Money Runs Out.

    This is why so many cities in CA, and the State itself, are on the verge of bankruptcy. It’s unsustainable, and we either address it rationally where public workers realize that they simply aren’t going to get all the pensions and benefits promised (since those promising them could NEVER have realistically delivered on those promises!) and accept a compromise, or, continue to stonewall and scream for everything and we all go down the tubes, and they wind up with nothing or very little.

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  3. Queeg
    Queeg 18 September, 2012, 09:53

    Same stale stuff….entitlements are a way of life just like Globalists hard work driving down wages and benefits!

    Lets get real and original…..stale retort.

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  4. Tax Target
    Tax Target 18 September, 2012, 09:58

    Queeg you can keep Kalifornsky… then you can enjoy all the benefits that your wonderful unions can deliver to you: Cradle to grave tax slavery! Me? I’m leaving. Sorry man. Your view that this ok is nonsense. I don’t live in a bunker but I certainly don’t want my hard earned dollars stolen by the communists in Sacramento!

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  5. Queeg
    Queeg 18 September, 2012, 10:16

    Good post…enjoy the snow, sleet, humidity, redneck twangy music and truck stop wages and benefits!

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  6. jimmydeeoc
    jimmydeeoc 18 September, 2012, 10:48

    Somewhat related (more California Insanity)

    Funny if it weren’t so sad ——

    Just watched California Channel a few minutes ago. Some analyst was making the point that Prop 34 (abolishing the death penalty) should be approved because we would save money. (We’ve only gassed 13 guys in 35 years)…..there’s the infinite appeals, special housing on death row, special guards, etc.

    Just think how insane that is. You can have a legitimate debate as to whether the death penalty is moral and all…….but to argue against it on a cost basis?

    No wonder this state is falling apart. It’s cheaper to keep a guy in prison for life than to sentence him to death.

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  7. Thomas20
    Thomas20 18 September, 2012, 11:25

    Unions are a necessity to counter the excesses of management. However, when unions can become too powerful, as in the case of public employee unions, they have the power to influence elections and hence the ability to enrich themselves at the expense of the taxpayer. For example, the unions had a profound effect in electing Jerry Brown. As a result, governor Brown is very pro union. Balance must be restored.

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  8. Queeg
    Queeg 18 September, 2012, 11:30

    Off topic….typical…..no new ideas.sad

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  9. jimmydeeoc
    jimmydeeoc 18 September, 2012, 12:19

    Ad hominem attacks on other posters……typical….nothing to add to the conversation……sad.

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  10. Donkey
    Donkey 18 September, 2012, 12:20

    Normal Californian’s are leaving the state Queeg. 🙂

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  11. Douglas
    Douglas 18 September, 2012, 12:25

    One would think that if the unions were sitting on both sides of the table, and therefore “over-generous with pay and benefits”, Cadillac would be doing a booming business in any state workplace. Not the case.

    According to the US Bureau of Labor Statistics, Employer Cost of Employee Compensation, when comparing SIMILAR public and private sector jobs, state and local government workers earn, on average, 7 to 10% LESS than private sector peers. This is a comparison of TOTAL compensation, which includes the cost of pension contributions and health care, as well as the cost of vacations, holidays, and sick leave.

    And, California has one of the LOWEST ratios of public employees per 100,000 population of all the states (number 45 to 47, depending on who you believe.)

    There is no “tyranny” by employee unions causing the budget deficits. The unions do spend millions in state campaigns, but most of that seems to be in self defense. “Powerful Public Employee Unions” is an oxymoron.

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  12. Queeg
    Queeg 18 September, 2012, 12:35

    Who cares who leaves California…..more come anyway….are they doomers like CWD posters?

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  13. Queeg
    Queeg 18 September, 2012, 12:37

    Jimbo….go down the bright side…associating with gloomers is not healthy!

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  14. Donkey
    Donkey 18 September, 2012, 14:38

    Cut the pay, benefits, perks, and pensions of all the RAGWUS feeders 40%, with no RAGWUS feeder recieving pay over $90,000, and no pension of over $50,000.

    Take the RAGWUS out of the equation by removing their exsistance. 🙂

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  15. Dyspeptic
    Dyspeptic 18 September, 2012, 16:33

    “There is no revolt…..these articles are red meat for bunker dwellers not normal Californians.”

    “The usual kooks and loons comment please!”

    Queegy, for a tax sucking know nothing who can’t complete a sentence you sure are fast and loose with the inarticulate insults. Do you even know any “normal Californians”? Besides, I’ll take my warm, quiet, cozy, secure bunker over your rubber room any day.

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  16. Queeg
    Queeg 18 September, 2012, 18:20

    Dys do you have a future?

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  17. Queeg
    Queeg 18 September, 2012, 18:23

    Queeg keeps you balanced!

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  18. Rex the Wonder Dog!
    Rex the Wonder Dog! 18 September, 2012, 21:31

    If John or Katy don’t ban Queeg the Gimmick account Im splitting this pop stand 🙁

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  19. Douglas
    Douglas 19 September, 2012, 07:28

    Queeg keeps you balanced!

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  20. Donkey
    Donkey 19 September, 2012, 09:27

    The RAGWUS will soon see the folly of their greed. From Forbes: “For many public pensions especially, they’re doubling-down with the last 30%-50% of remaining assets. Next time, when things fall apart, there’ll be nothing left in the pot.”

    The greediness of the RAGWUS feeders will result in their own failure to have any retirement at all. 🙂

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  21. us citizen
    us citizen 19 September, 2012, 10:57

    Its quite obvious that those stale arguments carry a lot of weight and truth. Kinda hurts huh?

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  22. Queeg
    Queeg 19 September, 2012, 14:46

    Nothing hurts……cause Queeg keeps you balanced!

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  23. us citizen
    us citizen 19 September, 2012, 15:46

    No you dont. You tick me off because your thinking is part of the problem.
    You put out trash responses consistently with no meat behind them. Any dimwit can do that.

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  24. Queeg
    Queeg 19 September, 2012, 15:52

    Gets your discourse…dunce communication appears to be showing readers your true feelings and character!

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  25. NTHEOC
    NTHEOC 19 September, 2012, 16:51

    John seiler says,
    In California, we have on the November ballot Proposition 32, the “Paycheck Protection Initiative,” which would ban unions heisting money directly from members’ paychecks.
    ========================
    Hey john, why doesn’t prop32 ban corporate money,big business or millionaire money? I guess its ok for them huh!! VOTE NO ON 32!!!!!!!!!!!!
    http://youtu.be/lVwLeCMB_EM

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  26. CalWatchdog
    CalWatchdog Author 19 September, 2012, 19:07

    NTHEOC: Actually, right now I’m undecided on Prop. 32 because of 1st Amendment considerations. The real answer is to end collective bargaining for government-worker unions.

    — John Seiler

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  27. Queeg
    Queeg 19 September, 2012, 19:20

    Ah…forget #32. It is a dog. Thomas Paine and Patrick Henry……remember freedom of speech…..founding fathers…dah?

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  28. Rex the Wonder Dog!
    Rex the Wonder Dog! 19 September, 2012, 23:31

    John, corporate money buying influence is no different-and just as damaging- than public unions buying influence. I thought corps were also limited by Prop 32, but ntheoc says otherwise, i have not yet researched that issue.

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  29. Queeg
    Queeg 20 September, 2012, 08:30

    #32 is not your friend!

    A slippery slope to shutting down political discourse.

    Reply this comment
  30. NTHEOC
    NTHEOC 20 September, 2012, 14:41

    Here’s some info Rex

    Prop 32 was written to limit the voice of union workers and create special exemptions for corporate interests, giving the wealthy and well-connected even more political power to write their own set of rules.
     
    Prop 32 exempts secretive Super PACs and corporate front groups, which can raise unlimited amounts of money from corporate special interests and billionaire businessmen to support their candidates or defeat their enemies. The measure does nothing to prevent anonymous donors from spending unlimited amounts to influence elections.
     
    Prop 32 is NOT campaign finance reform, as its backers claim. The wealthy supporters of this initiative created exemptions for Wall St. hedge funds, real estate investors, insurance companies and other well-heeled special interests allowing them to continue contributing directly to the coffers of political candidates.
     
    Prop 32 would severely restrict union members in both the public and private sector from having a voice in our political process. As a result, teachers, nurses, firefighters, police and other everyday heroes would be unable to speak out on issues that matter to us all—like cuts to our schools and colleges, police and fire response times, patient safety and workplace protections.
     
    This measure would give corporate CEOs and their lobbyists even greater influence over our political system. Corporations already outspend unions 15-1 in politics. This measure would effectively clear the playing field of any opposition to big corporations’ agenda, which includes outsourcing jobs, gutting homeowner protections, slashing wages and health benefits and attacking retirement security.
     
    Non-partisan groups like the California League of Women Voters, California Common Cause, Public Citizen and Public Campaign, who advocate for policies that curb special interest influence, are urging voters to REJECT Prop 32. Public Citizen calls it “an attack on labor masquerading as campaign finance reform”. California Common Cause says it “will do more harm to California’s democracy than good.”
     
    The primary financial backers are retired CEOs and millionaires associated with the extreme right-wing Lincoln Club of Orange County. All of the primary funders of the measure would benefit personally from the exemptions created for certain companies and organizations.
    VOTE NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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