Now these are good family values

Steven Greenhut: Orange County’s Family Action PAC on Thursday honored Assemblymen Chris Norby, R-Fullerton, and Allan Mansoor, R-Costa Mesa, for their votes in support of the governor’s bill ending redevelopment agencies. Norby gave a talk about the redevelopment monster, I said a few words while we awaited his late arrival, and the PAC also honored Assembly members Dan Logue, R-Linda, Beth Gaines, R-Roseville, and Sen. Ted Gaines, R-Roseville, for their anti-redevelopment votes. Norby, who brought his wife and newborn son to the event, spoke about redevelopment’s assault on churches and small businesses. It was great to see the pro-family movement recognize that property rights are at the core of true family values.

JULY 22, 2011

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  1. StevefromSacto
    StevefromSacto 22 July, 2011, 16:33

    I fInally understand, Steve. After all this time, I finally figured you out. What you really want is to move our country back to the 1700’s when only people who owned property (including slaves, of course) were allowed to vote.

    Maybe you and the guy from Riverside County can make that the law in your new state of South California.

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  2. David from Oceanside
    David from Oceanside 22 July, 2011, 18:55

    I had not seen a post from Steve from Sacto for a while and was very glad to see his posts again. An intelligent dissenting voice is great for discussion.

    So what gives here Steve? Name calling? Is that the best you can do?

    Property rights are exactly the core of all civil liberties. Your opinion, your speech, your body are all property rights.

    I find as much fault with conservatives as I do Liberals, but the liberals abandonment of the anti-war movement and civil liberties betrays their lack of conviction. They have unified around the enrichment of the few (government workers, arms dealers, government contractors, trial lawyers, Greens and Green investors, bankers) at the expense of the many.

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  3. Steven Greenhut
    Steven Greenhut 22 July, 2011, 20:31

    What a silly thing to write, Steve. How does supporting the end of redevelopment agencies — something passed by a Democratic Legislature and signed into law by a Democratic governor amount to wanting to move our country back to the 1700s?

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  4. StevefromSacto
    StevefromSacto 22 July, 2011, 22:46

    My comment has nothing to do with redevelopment agencies. Your true intentions are contained in this phrase: “Property rights are at the core of true family values.”

    Property rights are family values? That is the way it was in the 1700’s, Steve. Property ownership was the determinant in whether or not you could vote.

    And c’mon, David, how much conviction do so-called conservatives really have?
    They are all for small government until it comes to enforcing their moral code (anti-gay, anti-abortion, etc.) on the rest of us. Then, they are more than willing to use government to achieve their goals.

    Also, you know very well that Steve wasnt’ talking about opinion, speech, etc. Taxes have nothing to do with that. He’s talking about ownership of material things and his hatred of having any of it taken away for the common good.

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  5. David in Irvine
    David in Irvine 23 July, 2011, 02:12

    Anyone arguing that RDA’s operate for “the common good” has quite the challenge!

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  6. stevefromsacto
    stevefromsacto 23 July, 2011, 10:09

    One more time, David. My comment has nothing to do with redevelopment agencies. It has to do with the attitude that those who do not need government services should be allowed to deny them to those who do.

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  7. David from Oceanside
    David from Oceanside 23 July, 2011, 13:40

    Steve,

    As a Libertarian, I went out of my way to distance myself from conservatives and to not cloud the issue. The natural knee jerk reaction from the left is to blame the right and vice versa. Look where that has gotten us. Both Left and Right have made a mess of things.

    The original article focuses on property rights. You prefer a society where government bullies use threats of violence and violence to take from one and give to another. That other could be government workers, union workers, trial lawyers, arms dealers, bankers, third world dictators or even the truly needy.

    I prefer that government be defanged and we all be left alone to live our lives safe from government molestation. It is no coincidence that the freest societies are the most giving to charity. People stop giving when their property is taken by force.

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