Tax Polls Irrelevant Now

John Seiler:

Joel Fox makes some good points about the recent PPIC poll on tax increases. Supposedly the poll showed big margins of folks backing tax increases.

But Fox pointed out that the recent Republican poll numbers in the primary season have changed rapidly within just a few days. There are no active campaigns yet against the taxes to give the poll numbers context. And those who answered the polls liked taxing the rich, but not themselves through a sales tax hike.

The poll also showed that people favored higher taxes on commercial real estate, a “split roll” tax. “The poll asked if the respondents favored or opposed taxing commercial property at market value. The response was 60 percent favorable, 34 percent opposed,” Fox wrote. “But there was no context to the question. In a campaign, consequences of raising taxes on business, like the potential of lost jobs, would be presented to the voters. Surely, voters hearing both sides of an argument would result in some change in the current poll numbers.”

I would add that the context here would that a split roll would be an assault on Proposition 13, which is the “third rail” in California politics. All ads against the tax would focus on that.

A big question is whether rich people, if they’re assaulted by higher tax increases, will fight back. The didn’t when the 1 percent tax on millionaires was imposed by crazed voters back in 2004 to fund mental-health care. But this time, wealthy producers and investors might be fed up with having their money robbed. Money, by the way, that is used to invest in business and jobs creation.

Tax obsessives believe that there are no consequences to increasing taxes. But there are. Money is taken away from investing and used to pay the bloated pensions of government workers.

Maybe Californians have just about had enough of such robbery.

Jan. 25, 2012


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  1. stevefromsacto
    stevefromsacto 25 January, 2012, 19:43

    If a poll comes out showing that Californians understand the need for both revenue and budget cuts to solve our current deficit, it’s flawed. If a poll shows that Californians understand that in order to receive public services, you have to pay for them, it’s a “left-wing, union-influenced” poll.

    On the other hand, if a poll shows opposition to any tax increases, anywhere, anytime, it’s the word of God.

    Just for once, please, can’t you be at least a tiny bit objective?

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  2. David H
    David H 25 January, 2012, 20:10

    Poor StevefromSacto, the word of God says to render to Caesar the thinks that are Caesars, so it specifically says to pay tribute(taxes). But the Bible also tells about a child of the King who when he assumed the throne increased the tax burden on the people so greatly that it split the kingdom in revolt. We no longer have a reckoning of the ten “lost” tribes as a result of this split. You could learn something by studying the word of God. Taxes yes, union pensions and kingly union power no, why do you think you are entitled to other people’s money, or government money to fund your retirement? Go out and earn it yourself in an open and free market, then you are entitled to it.

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  3. queeg
    queeg 25 January, 2012, 23:28


    No new taxes end of story.

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  4. Bob
    Bob 26 January, 2012, 00:06

    And if polls come out that show the public loves public employees making more than comparable workers in the private sector and receiving pensions that private sector workers can only dream of then Steveo is in heavan.

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  5. Bob
    Bob 26 January, 2012, 00:09

    Steve, what will polls show about the parasite killing its host?

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  6. queeg
    queeg 26 January, 2012, 23:46

    Producers your an indangered species..

    File for civil liberties, rape and discrimination….something will fly!!!

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  7. Bob
    Bob 28 January, 2012, 18:48

    I’ve been warning you people for months and we are now one step closer to lights out for Cawleefornia (as Ahnode sez).

    Mark my words, next year at this time the DemoNcrats will be free to raise your taxes all they want and this is all you people are going to be talking about.

    A California Supreme Court ruling Friday significantly raised Democratic Party prospects of gaining the supermajority needed in the state Senate to pass tax or fee increases.

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  8. Beelzebub
    Beelzebub 29 January, 2012, 12:50

    Well, this ruling that Bob posted will take lots of heat off the CA republicans and protect them against the likes of the political backlash they suffered in Feb 2009 when 6 of the CA republican state legislators had to vote “yes” to pass the big tax hikes. This will protect the state republicans from ever finding themselves in that awkward and precarious political situation again. Now all of them can vote against higher taxes (to no avail)and claim that they did everything to stop them. They lost a significant number of contributors and constituents after passing the Feb 2009 tax increases and could not afford to sustain another loss like that in the future. So better to give up a few seats and keep what loyalty remains for the Party.

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  9. stevefromsacto
    stevefromsacto 29 January, 2012, 20:17


    Of course, facts have never stood in your way when it comes to a good right-wing rant. So why should you start now.

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  10. queeg
    queeg 29 January, 2012, 23:39

    Steve…relax…it’s only our futures….

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  11. Bob
    Bob 30 January, 2012, 09:47

    Steveo, show where I said you work for the gummit.

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  12. stevefromsacto
    stevefromsacto 30 January, 2012, 19:27

    You said I’d be in “heavan” (might want to use spellcheck) if the polls found support for public employees making more than comparable workers in the private sector (which by the way, is not true).

    That’s BS. Bob. I’d be in heaven if the public supported ALL workers, from the Wal-Mart greeter to the DMV clerk, making decent salaries with good benefits.

    I guess you think that anyone who believes in fairness and equity has to belong to the “gummit.” Sad.

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  13. ExExZonie
    ExExZonie 31 January, 2012, 06:14

    Steve if you’re so gung-ho on “equity” then give up half what you earn to be distributed to others paychecks. The “public” (i.e. taxpayers and customers) are tapped out!

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  14. stevefromsacto
    stevefromsacto 1 February, 2012, 20:03

    I will if you will. Besides, I’m as much a taxpayer and customer as you are. Only difference is the degree of greed and selfishness.

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