Todd Spitzer on the Road to Damascus

April 14, 2012

By Steven Greenhut

If a politician has based his career on advocating a set of policies, and has always been aligned with a group of special interests, only a fool would believe that he has suddenly seen the light just at the time when those past policies and alliances are causing him some political grief.

Yet Orange County Republican Party Chairman Scott Baugh last weekend compared supervisorial candidate Todd Spitzer — a Republican with a long track record in the DA’s office, as an Assemblyman and previously as a supervisor and local school board member — to the adulterous woman at the well whom Jesus forgave. This implies that Spitzer has seen the light and is now a reformed man. I think Baugh is being as loose with his endorsements as the woman was with her partners.

Baugh, writing a rebuttal to an Orange County Register editorial that I had penned blasting his decision to headline a fund-raiser for Spitzer, argued: “It’s a good thing that Register editorial writers did not meet the woman at the well mentioned in the biblical book of John. The fact that she had five previous husbands and was living with a man who was not her husband would have doomed her to a life not worth living. Instead, the woman met Jesus, and she became a great messenger for changed lives.”

If we’re talking about a person’s heart, and a religious conversion, then I see what Baugh is talking about. When people change in those ways, I would never question it. That is, as the cliché goes, an issue between a man and his God. But my Register editorial pointed to Spitzer’s long-standing association with the public employee unions and the way that Spitzer led the charge for a 2001 retroactive pension increase that has put Orange County in a deep fiscal hole.

Baugh became well known for his “manifesto” declaring that the party will not give any support to politicians who take donations from unions. Baugh said in a speech trumpeting his edict that it is not enough for Republican politicians to avoid taking such cash. He expects them to be proactive and create solutions to the mess caused by excessive public-employee compensation.

Pension spiking

As I wrote in the Register editorial:

“Mr. Spitzer was the lead advocate on the Board of Supervisors for a 2001 pension increase for deputy sheriffs that retroactively increased their pensions to the unsustainable ‘3 percent at 50’ formula — guaranteeing a pension of 90 percent of a 50-year-old employee’s final year’s pay after 30 years of work.

“Mr. Spitzer since has said he was wrong on that vote but mainly he blames others for not warning him, which suggests that he won’t provide the kind of pension-reform leadership that Mr. Baugh previously said he was expecting from politicians. In the Assembly, Mr. Spitzer was the cat’s-paw for the public-safety unions. He is smart and hardworking, but he epitomizes everything Baugh and the party said it would stand against.”

I recall Spitzer changing his tune about that increase — at one point saying he didn’t know it was retroactive, at another saying he knew it was but believed the deputies deserved the extra taxpayer cash — and remember him defending it to me right up until the point that it became a political liability. Spitzer has publicly talked about a religious conversion he has had, but we’re talking here about a political conversion — and there’s no actual evidence he really has had one.

‘Trust, but verify.’

Ronald Reagan famously said that the United States should “trust, but verify.” He was talking about arms-reduction talks with the Soviet Union. Baugh recently told me that “I’ve had my conversation with Todd and he is a changed man on this issue and many others. He now admits to me that the vote is wrong . … He has committed to me that he will work to reform the system in the same way as [OC Supervisor] Shawn Nelson and others have done.”

But where is the verification? Spitzer has a long history of saying whatever needs to be said to advance his political career. Most politicians do that, but Baugh is one of those people who over the years had warned me about Spitzer and his union alliances and opportunistic ways. The verification would come in some sort of policy decisions, yet there’s little evidence that he has pushed in the right direction not only on the pension issue but on the civil liberties issues that Baugh and others care so much about.

Even in defending Spitzer, Baugh told me that he is bothered by Spitzer’s positions on civil liberties issues. In the Assembly, Spitzer was the lead Republican voice for police-union-backed policies that made it nearly impossible to do anything about those officers who abused their power. When Spitzer was fired from the Orange County District Attorney’s Office, he held his press conference at the deputies’ union headquarters.

He told a colleague of mine that I don’t like him because he was a police officer. That’s right out of the police union playback. If someone disagrees with his views on expanding police pensions or protecting bad-apple officers, then that makes the critic a “cop hater.” I recall an outrageous floor speech Spitzer gave suggesting that supporters of a minor good-government reform were friends of criminals. That type of toxic rhetoric defines Spitzer as well as everything that’s wrong in Sacramento.

Conviction…or convenience?

Sensible people could conclude that Spitzer’s political conversion is one of convenience, not conviction.

And it’s obvious that Spitzer is conforming to the letter, but not the spirit of Baugh’s manifesto. As I wrote in the Register, “Mr. Baugh said that Mr. Spitzer has complied with the manifesto — i.e., he is not taking union money for this race. But Mr. Spitzer has received large amounts of union money over the years. And as his opponents note, he still operates an old political account holding money collected well before Mr. Baugh drew his line in the sand.”

According to former Republican Assemblyman Chuck DeVore, who was running against Spitzer but bailed out after accepting a new job in Texas: “Donations to county office are limited to $1,800 per person or business.  But, Spitzer also has an account for Orange County Republican Party Central Committee — an account that allows unlimited donations.  Spitzer is also his own treasurer for this account, meaning that there is no oversight on how he spends his Central Committee cash.  This Central Committee account Spitzer uses to finance everything from Internet costs, to gasoline, to paying off his credit card, to fancy restaurant meals, to an XM Satellite Radio subscription, and even a trip to Las Vegas.”

DeVore then argued that “Dozens of checks from Big Labor totaling some $54,000 that were listed in Spitzer’s 2014 D.A. committee vanished.  Rather than detail the union money in his 2012 Board of Supervisors account, Spitzer hides it, then shifts it into his unlimited Central Committee account from his, serving as his own treasurer, he can use it to pay for virtually anything, including inappropriately underwriting his current campaign for O.C. Supervisor.”

In other words, he is still using union money, although that money is hidden from view. Spitzer criticized DeVore for pointing this out, telling the OCWeekly, “Chuck needs to learn how to read campaign finance reports.” Spitzer also said, “I’m adhering to [Orange County Republican Party boss] Scott Baugh’s manifesto and will not take any union contributions for my supervisor’s campaign. What Chuck is saying is frivolous. All of my money is traceable.”

But DeVore added that “[W]hen Spitzer thought no one was looking on the eve of the Labor Day weekend, he filed a 519-page amended campaign finance report.  This report contains 189 missing pages of information that Spitzer was legally required to report last month … detailing dozens of Big Labor donations of the type Spitzer denied accepting just a few weeks before.”

Spitzer did not return my call to his home seeking an explanation. Baugh admitted that Spitzer is still using union money, but that Spitzer is indeed following his edict because this is past money. According to Baugh, it would be impossible to hold candidates to the same standard for past financial contributions, but in my view he could insist that they not spend money from labor unions for current campaign-related expenses.

As DeVore told me via email, “Every Californian pays $1,105 every year to support state and local retired government workers — more than double the burden in Texas. Spitzer made this burden worse in his years on the board and in the state Assembly. Spitzer’s talking a good game now, but it will take years of discipline to make up for past mistakes.”

Spitzer is almost certain to win the election. It will be interesting to see what Baugh will have to say if Spitzer reverts to his ways and advocates policies that benefit the unions. I hope Spitzer did indeed have a political conversion, but I think Baugh’s comparison to the adulterous woman at the well might be more apt than he thought, but for less noble reasons.


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  1. CalWatchdog
    CalWatchdog Author 14 April, 2012, 13:07

    If your accountant robs you of $100,000, do you forgive him? Yes. You also get him prosecuted and thrown into prison for embezzlement. When he gets out of the klink, if he needs some money to start up again, you give it to him as charity. But you NEVER hire him again as your accountant.

    The same with Spitzer. Except even more so because politicians also ultimately have life-and-death powers. They set the rules for the police, who can kill you. And they grab your tax money; if you resist, they will kill you.

    If Spitzer really is repentant — like the woman at the well — then he should operate only in the private sector for the rest of his life. And he should write detailed memoirs about his relations with the government-worker unions.

    Otherwise, don’t trust him.

    — John Seiler

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  2. Rex The Wonder Dog!
    Rex The Wonder Dog! 14 April, 2012, 14:59

    Mr. Spitzer since has said he was wrong on that vote but mainly he blames others for not warning him

    A THGIRD GRADER with basic math KNOWS that a 50% retroactive increase in pensions is NOT above board, and so did Spitzer and everyone else who gave away the farm fro campaign bribes. To claim he wasn’t warned is preposterous.

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  3. Rex The Wonder Dog!
    Rex The Wonder Dog! 14 April, 2012, 15:01

    He was never a cop, he was a reserve, HUGE difference.

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  4. Beelzebub
    Beelzebub 14 April, 2012, 15:04

    Listen, let’s put this all in perspective, ok?

    Is Spitzer just another political hack who acts out of self-interest and who speaks from both sides of his mouth? Sure he is. Will he continue doing the the same crap that he’s been doing for his entire political career? Of course he will. Will all the other republican politicians cover for him and act as apologists for him? Yep. They sure will. Even Norby has endorsed him. Don’t you get it yet?

    Listen, folks. These people are all cut from the same cloth. Open your eyes. Democrats, Republicans and, yes, even some Libertarians. Look at who the Libertarians are going to nominate as their presidential candidate. Gary Johnson – ex-governor of New Mexico. Do you know anything about him? He’s phonier that a $3 dollar bill too. Don’t get me started on some of his political positions and his history. He is just as ingrained into the status quo political establishment as all the rest of them are, to include Todd Spitzer. So if you are going to throw stones throw them in all directions.

    Spitzer is a shoe-in. You are not going to change that. That woman city council person doesn’t have a snowball’s chance in hell against him. So if you think you are going to sway votes and create a huge upset – forget it. You should concentrate more on the Rino’s who currently sit on the Board of Supes in Orange County. Many people are not aware of what hypocrites and stooges that Campbell, Bates, Nguyen and Bates have been over the years. Lately Nelson has made a couple bad calls too that directly contradict the platform that he originally campaigned on. We expect more from him. So it’s not Spitzer – it’s your entire political system that sucks. From A thru Z.

    It was reported in the blogs that Obama’s attorney representing him during a ballot challenge in New Jersey ADMITTED IN OPEN COURT that the birth certificate posted on the White House website is, in fact, a forgery but made the absurd claim that it can’t be used as evidence to argue against his natural born citizen status. She went on to say that Obama need only invoke his popularity as a candidate to be on the ballot and does not need to prove his qualifications. You don’t believe me? Then google the lawyer’s name “Alexandra M. Hill” and “ballot challenge, NJ”. This is the crap that should get reported on the 6 o’clock news and in all the mainstream newspapers. But it won’t be. It will be concealed and ridiculed just like the facts in the George Zimmerman-Trayvon Martin case. And anyone who brings it up will be called a ‘wretched birther’ or a ‘racist’. We already know how the drill works.

    This is the stuff everyone should be up in arms about. We are talking about restricted access to relevant factual information in a nation that is purported to be the bastion of transparency and the beacon of freedom. Wake the hell up, folks. Your children’s liberty is at stake here.

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  5. Beelzebub
    Beelzebub 14 April, 2012, 15:50

    And everyone’s been pounding on Orly Taitz for years and calling her vile names and crap. And it turns out that she was dead on target the whole fing time. Obama’s own attorney in NJ has now confirmed Orly’s claims. All those clowns who ridiculed and denegated her over the years should get down on their hands and knees and beg for her forgiveness. The entire system has been beating the poor woman to a proverbial bloody pulp for years and she never backed down. God bless her.

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  6. Ted Steele, Janitor
    Ted Steele, Janitor 14 April, 2012, 16:20

    Greeny— What’s wrong with Spitzer? He was a great prosecutor, good legislator and a solid guy. Oh…yeah….. you went crazy at the OC Register pushing Rackaukass for all those years. I forgot.

    Kind of ironic isn’t it? T-Rackass DA’s office has practically eliminated the hard core pol ethics violations monitoring and prosecutions that Hicks and Capizzi had for all those many decades. That’s what you all wanted at the OCR…right Greeny? Now you’re complaining about Spitzer’s violations????

    You continue to be a joke.

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  7. Beelzebub
    Beelzebub 14 April, 2012, 17:09

    Ted Steal, you are bickering over which one is worse when every single one of them are cut from the same mold. They wouldn’t climb that high in the pecking order unless they were connivers, scoundrels and political prostitutes. And that has been proven time and time again. On a comparative scale I would place a street whore above a politician. At least when you turn over the money you know what you’re getting in return.

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  8. Steven Greenhut
    Steven Greenhut 14 April, 2012, 17:54

    Ted — your memory is off. Although early on I wrote a column supporting Rack over Wade, I was a repeated Rackauckas critic. I argued over and over that he was the anti-Capizzi, the guy who refused to prosecute political corruption and who gave a pass to dirty cops and dirty pols. I was one of the few columnists to directly criticize Rack aide Mike Schroeder. My beef with Spitzer is that he is a tool of the public-safety unions. Yes he was a good legislator for those unions, as he promoted massive increases in pensions for his union friends and shut down efforts to increase accountability. He’s a big government guy, the type of law-and-order “conservative” who expanded government and made a fiscal mess of the state.

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  9. Teddy S.
    Teddy S. 14 April, 2012, 17:55

    Beezy– True enuf— but Spitzer is pretty darn good——I have known him for years——-

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  10. Beelzebub
    Beelzebub 14 April, 2012, 18:27

    “Beezy– True enuf— but Spitzer is pretty darn good——I have known him for years——-”

    The fact that you’ve known him for years is not a positive. It’s a negative and increases my contempt for him.

    I decided that Spitzer had no redeeming value about the time Sheriff Mike Carona was indicted by the Federal courts several years back. As it happened Spitzer (an assemblyman at the time) appeared before the OC board of supervisors during public comments and started waving around the book about the Duke University lacrosse scandal while insinuating prosecutorial misconduct. I almost vomited in my mouth. From that moment on I despised Spitzer and never looked back. OC Weekly reporter Scott Moxley kept us current on Carona’s escapades over the years. We knew what he was all about. And when they had enough goods on him to take him down Spitzer crawls out of his hole to cover his backside. IMO absolutely despicable.

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  11. Teddy S.
    Teddy S. 14 April, 2012, 22:31

    Greeny—ok— my memory may be off a bit– your review there does refresh it a bit— I think you’re memory of the rack thing is correct. The ocr was so wildy in rack’s corner I may have included you in that— man Tony is a pitiful DA. — Sorry I confused you in all of that!

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  12. Teddy S.
    Teddy S. 14 April, 2012, 22:33

    Beezy— you vomited in your mouth?

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  13. Teddy S.
    Teddy S. 14 April, 2012, 22:36

    Greeny— as far as Capizzi— He prosecuted more dirty pols than you will ever meet little buddy.What guys do you think he let off the hook?

    What dirty cops did he let off the hook?


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  14. Steven Greenhut
    Steven Greenhut 15 April, 2012, 08:25

    Teddy — I wrote that Rackauckas let the dirty cops and dirty pols off the hook. He was the anti-Capizzi … get it? Capizzi prosecuted too many so Rack went to the other extreme and didn’t go after corruption at all.

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  15. Teddy S.
    Teddy S. 15 April, 2012, 08:37

    Greenster! OK OK OK— right you are there!!!

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  16. Beelzebub
    Beelzebub 15 April, 2012, 08:51

    Look at the murder of John Chamberlain in the OC jail. All of us know the story behind that one. Deputies changing log entries and using shot callers to do their dirty work. The deputy who allegedly set Chamberlain up for the brutal beating took the fifth and wasn’t even required to show up for trial as a witness, per the request of the defense. 5 or more inmates were found guilty of 2nd degree murder and have been sentenced to decades in prison. Not one single deputy was charged in that travesty. And they call that ‘justice’? I call it JUST US.

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  17. Teddy S.
    Teddy S. 15 April, 2012, 09:13

    Greenism— In my defense, my mistake was grounded in your flip flop on Wade. You came out against him— it hurt. Turns out he was right, Tony was/is a bad DA……

    Respectfully– you are wrong again on Spitzer…

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  18. Teddy S.
    Teddy S. 15 April, 2012, 09:13

    Beezy— Did you swallow the vomit?

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  19. Beelzebub
    Beelzebub 15 April, 2012, 09:50

    It will be interesting to learn the outcome of the DA’s investigation on the deputy shooting of Manuel Loggins, a decorated black US Marine who was gunned down by a sheriff’s deputy in the front seat of his automobile in San Clemente while his two young daughters sat and watched from the back seat. The cop blew away the girls father right in front of their innocent eyes for failing to follow orders! heh. 🙁 Think that might have an impact on the girls socio-psychological development as time marches on? No amount of therapy on God’s green earth could wipe those horrid memories clean. Based on the evidence leaked so far, Sgt. Loggins took his girls to a local HS for a routine walk around the track or ‘prayer walk’. This was according to a Marine captain who Sgt. Loggins apparently worked under. A cop pulled Sgt. Loggins over in the parking lot for driving through a gate. Sgt. Loggins got out of his car and walked away. According to the cops, he started acting ‘irrationally’ while walking around the sport’s field. 5 minutes later after other cops had arrived on the scene, Sgt. Loggins walked back to his automobile and was allowed to get back inside. There was no claim that the cops tried to physicially restrain him. The story was that Sgt. Loggins put the car into drive and began to inch forward at which time the cop blew him away. Wow. Based on the referenced follow up that I read about – Loggins had no drugs or alcohol in his system. We have heard nothing but strong accolades from Sgt. Loggins’ superiors and peers at Camp Pendelton. So it’s impossible for the system to paint him as some desperate criminal or hooligan. By all reports he was an upstanding Marine, husband and father. And the cops have a problem here. The Marines even issued a public report chastising the way the investigation was handled. Plus, there were 2 witnesses sitting in the back seat who saw everything. And children are not adept or trained in the art of lying. They only blurt out what they see. Anybody remember Art Linkletter’s “Kids say the darndest things”? 😀

    The Loggins family has sued the county. Although citizens were (are) very upset about this killing, we did not see the public outcry like we saw with Kelly Thomas, the homeless man who was beaten to a bloody pulp by Fullerton PD. So the DA does not feel the same pressure. And let’s face it. Had Kelly Thomas been estranged from his family – and if no death bed photos of his shredded face been made public – and if there were no public protests calling for justice – IMO there is a 99% chance that there would be no charges lodged against the 2 fullerton cops who participated in this brutal beating. It would be business as usual. In fact, the other 4 cops who were on the scene and witnessed it (and didn’t try to stop it) or even participated in using physical force on Kelly during the altercation remain uncharged. 😉 Go figure.

    So it will be very interesting to learn the DA’s ruling on Sgt. Loggins’ killing, considering no public protests, no death bed photos and relatively little pressure on the DA to pursue justice.

    And the Loggin’s killing happened on Feb 7th. Based on my envelope calculations we are a week past the two month anniversary. For how much longer will the DA delay his decision and keep the public in the dark?

    But I guess if I had evidence stacked against me and had a reputation of protecting cops, I would want to delay the decision for as long as possible too.

    Whatever the final decision – it will be very very interesting and revealing.

    Stay tuned. 😉

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  20. Beelzebub
    Beelzebub 15 April, 2012, 09:58

    “Beezy— Did you swallow the vomit?”

    No. I spit in out on a mailer I receive from Jerry Clown asking me to join his coalition for new higher taxes.

    It was green too. That’s how Jerry likes it. 😉

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  21. Teddy S.
    Teddy S. 15 April, 2012, 10:23

    Beezy? Huh?

    On a mailer?

    On the police shootings and protecting the cops…

    Sometimes all the facts are not out here in public land yet.

    Then when they are it is usually the case that the danger appeared to the reasonable cop in a way that justifies the shooting.

    You’d hope that is the case as we, the public, take alot of care in who we hire to police us.

    Sometimes the cops are charged——vis– Fullerton. Wait til that goes to trial and see if you think these cases are tough to prosecute or not……

    Teddy S.

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  22. Beelzebub
    Beelzebub 15 April, 2012, 10:49

    “Sometimes all the facts are not out here in public land yet”

    BS. Many of the facts have been released. They have the facts. They withhold them because they have to formulate a spin job to hoodwink the public. I’ve lived long enough and seen my fair share of the way these things are handled. You might be able to fool some of the sheeple – but you won’t fool me. Stop wasting your time.

    “Then when they are it is usually the case that the danger appeared to the reasonable cop in a way that justifies the shooting”

    A reasonable cop??? 😀 Don’t make me choke on my saliva. I know how the game is played. You’re not chatting with a snotty nosed 4 year old.

    “You’d hope that is the case as we, the public, take alot of care in who we hire to police us”

    Yeah sure. GED’s and high schoolers making as much if not more than licensed medical doctors! 🙂 Nothing but one scandal after another. And all the cops cover for each other. I know that. IMO that makes them all dirty. The ones who cover for the dirtbags are dirtbags themselves. Put that in your pipe and smoke it!!!

    “Sometimes the cops are charged——vis– Fullerton. Wait til that goes to trial and see if you think these cases are tough to prosecute or not……”

    BS. Mark my words. The DA will do a crappy job at prosecuting the two cops charged and will FAIL to prosecute the others. The only hope we have are the feds and the feebies. If they fail us we are totally screwed as a society and as a Republic.

    T-Rack has already made an intentional blunder. He charged the fullerton cop who bashed Kelly in the face and head with his taser EIGHT TIMES with manslaughter. Hell, he is the one who IMO delivered the fatal blows! He shoudl have been charged with 2nd degree.

    The other cop charged with 2nd degree by all accounts didn’t deliver any fatal blows. He just allegedly told kelly while holding up his fists “I am going to f you up…” Remember that dramatic press conference that T-Rack held??? 😀 But T-Rack didn’t present the entire sentence at that press conference. He held back. The cop actually said something to the effect of “I am going to F you up IF YOU DON’T DO AS I SAY” That makes a HUGE legal difference. That adds a whole new ingredient to the story which one of the best defense attorneys in the state (Barnett) will chew up and spit out at trial. They will market it as an unintentional blunder on part of the DA. 🙂 Sure. Pull my other thumb too! 😉

    So IMO the DA overcharged one cop and undercharged the other which will cause HUGE legal problems as this case moves forward. And I’m just another slob on the street. I don’t prosecute people for a living or get paid for it. But I know a headfake when I see one. I always look under the surface. You don’t fool me – and neither do they! 😉

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  23. Teddy S.
    Teddy S. 15 April, 2012, 11:08

    Geezo Beezy a hissy fit? You don’t need that.

    What I mean by “a reasonable cop” is of course the “objective” standard. You know what that is, don’t you?

    Or should we change our laws to create some subjective standard?


    So you think that the DA will do a crappy job? So I guess that if the DA losses you think it’s because they did a crappy job and not from any other reason? Hmmmm,

    That’s very tidy.

    “we are screwed as a Republic”?

    Is there enuf O2 down in your bunker?

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  24. Beelzebub
    Beelzebub 15 April, 2012, 11:33

    Here’s one for ya. It just happened in March.

    Why no public protests led by Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson on this one?

    Why no outcry in Sanford?

    Why no demand for justice from Holder in the DOJ or threats of civil right’s action?

    Why no public statement from Obama claiming that the elderly female victim here could have been his mother?

    Why no front page headlines on MSNBC or CNN or the LA Times or on the 6 o’clock news with Brian Williams?

    Why nothing from the American mainstream media?

    Shamefully, we had to get this report through the BRITISH MEDIA!!! 😀

    Can’t make this stuff up, folks.

    This is YOUR country! The land of the free and the brave!

    Can’t make this stuff up, folks!!! 😉

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  25. Teddy S.
    Teddy S. 15 April, 2012, 11:45

    Beezy Girl—

    You gotta take a breath little fella!

    Hey— on another note— I think we can both agree that Tony Rackaucas is a terrible DA—-Ask yourself this……Why does our dumb electorate keep reelecting him by landslides??????

    spooooooooky Republicounty!

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  26. Beelzebub
    Beelzebub 15 April, 2012, 11:46

    “What I mean by “a reasonable cop” is of course the “objective” standard”

    No. It’s not even objective. It’s a ‘mythical’ standard.

    “So you think that the DA will do a crappy job? So I guess that if the DA losses you think it’s because they did a crappy job and not from any other reason?”

    I’ve already pointed out the obvious flaws in this prosecution manufactured by the DA. Why don’t you comment on those instead of trying to deviate from the facts. Say what you mean. Be clear and concise in your writings. Don’t make us guess. Don’t be a boofhead.

    There is overwhelming evidence that Kelly Thomas was murdered. We have multiple witnesses who watched while Kelly called out for his dad. We have recordings. We have videos of uncoached witness statements just minutes after the fatal brutal beating. We have a video tape. We have photos of Kelly’s shredded face on his deathbed. We have evidence of a culture of corruption. All the elements are there. Who are you trying to fool?

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  27. Beelzebub
    Beelzebub 15 April, 2012, 11:51

    “Hey— on another note— I think we can both agree that Tony Rackaucas is a terrible DA—-Ask yourself this……Why does our dumb electorate keep reelecting him by landslides??????”

    Because elections are rigged with cash flow and people are easily fooled.

    As one individual all I can do is stay well informed and protect myself against people like you who try to fool us.

    And as I have demonstrated to you – I am foolproof. 🙂 So don’t test me anymore, ok? Make good use of your time and try someone else.

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  28. Teddy S.
    Teddy S. 15 April, 2012, 12:11

    So……you voting for Romney Beeeeeeeeezy Girl? Hmmmmmmmm

    or are you still holding out for Paul down there in the command bunker?

    or a write in? G. Beck?

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  29. Beelzebub
    Beelzebub 15 April, 2012, 13:25

    I don’t vote in national elections anymore. I may write-in “Beelzebub” in 2012 tho. Haven’t decided yet. I just sit here and watch the wheels go round and round. I don’t jump on for a ride anymore. When I finally figured the system out I refused to come out and play. The only real reason to walk down to the voting polls any more is to get a free cup of coffee or find out the latest neighborhood gossip. The old bitties are always on hand to dish that out. Other than that it’s mostly a waste of time.

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  30. Beelzebub
    Beelzebub 15 April, 2012, 15:51

    heh. I just read that Dick Cheney called Obama ‘an unmitigated disaster’. heh. That’s like Frankenstein calling Dracula an ahole. 🙂

    Dick Cheney is the reason I recently revoked my consent to voluntarily donor my body parts when I die.

    I wish he would just go away. My stomach starts churning whenever I see his photo.

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  31. Teddy S.
    Teddy S. 15 April, 2012, 17:57

    Beezy—Good point on Cheney—- he and his asst Pres. Bush were hard to survive. How old are you? How long did it take you to realize the system is corrupt at it’s core? Many of us got that news while still fairly young. Noit voting is a cop out little buddy— I am a dem but there is always a cogent vote out there. You can’t find any Repub to support????

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  32. Beelzebub
    Beelzebub 15 April, 2012, 20:07

    “How long did it take you to realize the system is corrupt at it’s core? Many of us got that news while still fairly young”

    Not me. I was taught by nuns and got a mushroom education. I thought Kennedy was the best thing since sliced bread. I was force fed the Camelot image of him and Jackie O. If Sister Mary Martin would have only known that Johnny coerced one of his interns to perform lewd acts on one of his bottom feeder sweathog cronies while he watched and was a drug addict to boot – Sister would have had a stroke. So I swallowed the bait hook, line and sinker though grade school. Come on. I was just a normal kid who followed orders and believed what I was told. Then an old neighbor of mine used to tell me war stories from WW1. He was a pretty sharp and funny guy and I liked listening to him talk. He told me that LBJ used to play grab butt with his secretaries all the time and even though I took it with a grain of salt it made me think. Then Nixon came along and I think that’s where I really started to question the system. I’ll never forget the day he came on TV and said that he wasn’t a crook. Both my parents were dems and started calling him names I can’t repeat on this board. I really think that was my awakening. But what I know now – looking back – Nixon was a saint compared to most of his successors. Those were the days when the media really did it’s job. I mean we had some real top notch reporters who truly took out the trash. Today most of them are paid journalism prostitutes who are told what to think and write. And if they don’t toe the line they get washed out. Even though there have been ample opportunities for Watergate type stories X 100 -you will never see another political heavyweight get taken down unless it’s ordered by the Oligarchs. Today everything is whitewashed. Even though I knew the system was dirty in the 80’s and 90’s I still had faith in the country. I still believed that, by and large, America was the greatest nation on earth and I still had a real sense of pride about living here. I began to lose faith after 911. I saw policy decisions – both domestic and international – that didn’t make sense and still don’t make sense. I saw financial decisions and economic shennanigans that, quite frankly, made me question whether I was still living in the United States of America. And at this point, I truly believe we have jumped the shark. We’ve gone beyond the point of no return. The only reason we have outward respect from our global neighbors is because we possess about 8000 nuclear warheads. Without those we would openly be the laughing stock of the world community. For those of you who have lived overseas – you know what I’m talking about. They laugh at us now – just not openly. Nobody wants to be the next Iraq. But I have seen the best that America has to offer. And I thank her dearly for all the opportunities that she has given me. But then I’ve shed a tear or two over what the Oligarchs have turned her into and the losing hand that they have dealt to all the American generations to follow us. It’s a crying shame and it didn’t have to happen this way.

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  33. Teddy S.
    Teddy S. 15 April, 2012, 20:10

    Oh Beezy…you are a caution!

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  34. Beelzebub
    Beelzebub 15 April, 2012, 22:48

    Here, this Venn Diagram consisely describes one principle reason why we’ve jumped the shark.

    Keep in mind that Goldman Sachs contributed just short of $1M to Obama’s campaign in 2008.

    And Goldman is just ONE investment house on Wall Street.

    Think of all the others that bought a piece of the action too.

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  35. Ted Steele, Janitor
    Ted Steele, Janitor 15 April, 2012, 22:58

    Beezy— Have you ever looked at all the clues on the album covers about Paul being dead? (Not the guy enroute to Damascus, the other one) you’d dig it.

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  36. Beelzebub
    Beelzebub 15 April, 2012, 23:54

    You didn’t hear? He blew through a red light while staring at a meter maid. The witnesses found him vaguely familiar. A few thought he was from the House of Lords. And they finally figured out that it took a million holes to fill the Albert Hall. The barefooted guy who took his place was the real Walrus. The original Paul only made it as far as ‘yesterday’ which he wrote from a dream. I betchya didn’t know all that, did ya? Old news. You must be an X’er.

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  37. Ted Steele, Janitor
    Ted Steele, Janitor 16 April, 2012, 07:52

    I bet you Venn Diagramed that.

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  38. Beelzebub
    Beelzebub 16 April, 2012, 09:12

    “I bet you Venn Diagramed that”

    Yeah right, Sherlock.

    Next you will accuse me of manufacturing Obama’s birth certificate that his own lawyer (Alexandra Hill) conceded is forged during a ballot challenge in a NJ court last week. 🙂

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  39. Rogue Elephant
    Rogue Elephant 16 April, 2012, 09:13

    The woman at the well? Really? Wow.

    I guess it’s true: for politicians, there is no branch too thin to crawl out upon.

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  40. Reality Check
    Reality Check 16 April, 2012, 09:33

    “As DeVore told me via email, “Every Californian pays $1,105 every year to support state and local retired government workers — more than double the burden in Texas.”

    If only it were such a paltry sum. There are 1.8 million state and local government workers in California, and the cost for their average salary plus ALL benefits is easily greater than $100,000 per year. That equals $180 billion per year, which, if you divide by 40 million people, equals $4,500 per year per person. Dividing by California’s roughly 10 million households, you are talking $18,000 per year per household. Put another way, California spends 10% of its $1.8 trillion GDP on compensation for its state and local government workers.

    I invite anyone to explain the inaccuracy of these calculations or the source variables.

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  41. Tough Love
    Tough Love 16 April, 2012, 10:03

    Reality Check, It looks like you missed the word “retired” (with no “salary”, just pensions and benefits).

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  42. Beelzebub
    Beelzebub 16 April, 2012, 12:25

    Since DeVore fled the state in the heat of the battle and turned his back on his constituents I think he should keep his nose out of California’s business. I see more op-ed’s from him these days than I did when he lived here. Fight illegal immigration in Texas, Chuck. Protect your own backyard. Shouting and waving your finger at us from across the road never solved anything.

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  43. queeg
    queeg 16 April, 2012, 14:58

    You guys grow these monsters….another war hero!!!

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  44. Beelzebub
    Beelzebub 16 April, 2012, 16:34

    I see the California Faculty Association (24k faculty, librarians, coaches, counselors, etc…) are casting votes at the college level about whether to strike to protest cutbacks and working conditions. They don’t want to give up their lofty salaries and pensions – so are now mad because they’re going to be saddled with personnel cutbacks. It’s either one or the other, folks. You can’t have both. You gotta pick one. Money or job security. Vote on that!

    These people act like children. It’s as if they have no sense of reality. Like they consider their ilk the center of the universe. I have never witnessed this degree of self-indulgence by seemingly educated people. What don’t they understand about BROKE? Do they think we manufacture greenbacks from our hind ends? Hello?: The State does not own a printing press. Currency is finite. If the revenue is not there it simply means we have to get the financial hatchet out and start chopping. The taxpayers are maxed out. Please, college professors and support staff – GROW UP!

    Strike and risk replacement. 😉

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  45. Ted Steele, Janitor
    Ted Steele, Janitor 16 April, 2012, 18:45


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  46. Rex The Wonder Dog!
    Rex The Wonder Dog! 16 April, 2012, 23:20

    These people act like children. It’s as if they have no sense of reality.

    “as if” they have NO SENSE whatsoever, and that inclused their perception and sense of reality, no common sense, no brain power whatsoever.

    Have you seen the psychotic posts Teddy Steals makes?? Or seesaw????

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  47. queeg
    queeg 17 April, 2012, 07:48

    A couple nice stikes sound fine…May Day student protest in works at a Orange County jr college.

    Be part of history….join the fun…if your too fat and ugly….wear a costume!!!

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  48. Ted Steele, Janitor
    Ted Steele, Janitor 17 April, 2012, 09:34

    Rex Poodle– Do you still feel the need to insult me out here? I have been living in your head so long you should charge me rent!

    Oh my!

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  49. queeg
    queeg 17 April, 2012, 09:37

    Lets be nice fans! Cannot step on the sages on this site….where do they find all the time tio impress themselves!!!

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  50. Ted Steele, Janitor
    Ted Steele, Janitor 17 April, 2012, 20:27

    You got that right Queeg!!!!!!

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