Gov. Brown, Democrats push lumber tax

Aug. 28, 2012

By Dave Roberts

When is a tax not a tax? When it’s called a fee by Gov. Jerry Brown and fellow Democrats. But the $30 million that has been proposed to be sucked out of Californians’ wallets and fed into the wood chipper of state government definitely walks, quacks and smells like a tax, according to some Republicans.

Brown’s 2012-13 budget includes a 1 percent tax hike on retail sales of lumber and wood products. The money will pay the cost for state agencies to regulate the timber industry. Timber company officials are backing the bill because consumers get stuck with the tab instead of them, and the legislation, AB 1492, introduced by the Assembly Budget Committee, limits the amount of the judicial damages that timber companies can be hit with in the event of a forest fire.

The Senate Budget and Fiscal Review Committee approved the bill 11-0, with five Republicans abstaining, on Aug. 15. Although calling it a fee rather than a tax means that AB 1492 does not need the two-thirds legislative approval mandated by Proposition 26, the bill still requires two-thirds support because it’s been deemed an urgency item as the tax takes effect in January. Although the vote was lopsided in the budget committee, the bill was bashed and thrashed by several Republicans and even one Democrat before that.

That Democrat is Sen. Roderick Wright, who represents Inglewood. He sounded positively Republican as he blasted California’s expensive regulatory practices. He ended up voting for AB 1492, but was not happy about it.

“One of the things that we seem to do in California is we make stuff decidedly more expensive for absolutely no benefit,” said Wright. “Those states, Oregon and Washington in particular, seem to have figured out a way to manage their forest as well or in some cases better than we do, have a lower timber harvest plan cost, deliver more board feet of lumber at a better price. We are importing lumber from them in many instances. And their fire danger seems to be less than ours. So they end up achieving all of the benefits at a lower cost than we do.

“It seems like to me we have an ass backwards system. And I’m not sure what we do with it. Today we may have to support this because it may be the best that we have. But I don’t think anyone would even suggest that this is a good idea. It’s just better than the stupidity that we have been operating under. We’re just making an improvement over something that was before admittedly stupid. So now it’s just less stupid.”

New tax

Another Senate Democrat who voted for the bill, Gloria Negrete McLeod, also seemed skeptical about how the new tax on wood products would be implemented. “What if I go to the lumber store and I want a lath, and I only want six inches of a lath because I want to shore something up,” she asked. “Are you going to charge me six inches of a lath as opposed to a board as opposed to a bunch? What about toothpicks? They are made out of wood. [Laughter in the audience.] I’m serious.”

Although the specific wood products that will be taxed have yet to be identified, the intent is to focus on building products, responded Matt Paulin, assistant program budget manager for the California Department of Finance. But that answer did not satisfy Mira Guertin, a lobbyist representing Home Depot.

“Home Depot has concerns this new assessment burdens retailers like Home Depot,” she said. “The definitions are vague. The toothpick example raised by Sen. Negrete Mcleod is not really all that farfetched. There’s a lot of things like doors, window frames, lattice work, gardening barrels, tool handles, all sorts of things, thousands of products in these stores that could potentially be subject to the tax. And that is a big burden for retailers to try to program around that. And also the list will change every year.

“We are also concerned that this is potentially a double increase for our customers. They may be facing or choosing to impose on themselves a half-percent sales tax increase in the fall [Proposition 30]. This would go on top of that. It’s currently unclear in the language whether the sales tax is applied to the 1 percent lumber assessment or not. That’s something we’d like to see clarified at the very least.”

Quick decision

Senator Doug La Malfa, who represents Butte, led the Republican attack on the bill, which he said should first have been considered by other committees dealing with governance, finances and natural resources.

“Here we are with 16 days to go in the session taking up some very important policy that should be heard and fully vetted in these committees,” he said. “And we are doing it once again as a budget trailer item on some key tax and resource policy. Traditionally, when we have the implications on the regulatory side and the new tax that’s going to be involved, I think we would like to vet out in the committee process and have input on … what is going to be deemed a wood product that’s going to be subject to the 1 percent sales tax.”

Hearing the word “tax,” Committee Chairman Mark Leno, D-San Francisco, smiled and corrected La Malfa, calling it a “regulatory fee.”

La Malfa responded, “If it walks and quacks like a tax …” He went on to agree with Wright about incompetent regulations: “I’m just really troubled by this. And this is something that I care passionately about. I’ve served here almost eight years in the Legislature. And forestry management issues, the ability to harvest timber within our state instead of exporting our so-called environmental problem to other states or countries, I think great strides need to be made. Yet what we are doing is conceding California’s costs are going to be tremendously higher for timber harvest plans than Oregon or Washington, which are very successful in managing forests.”

Tax or fee?

Sen. Bill Emerson, R-Riverside, is concerned that the lumber tax revenue will be sawed off to other programs, especially if more money comes in than is needed to regulate timber.

“What happens when the economy improves and the dollars go to, say, $60 million?” Emerson asked Paulin. “You’re telling me that any excess funds would be protected and not ripped off as we’ve done traditionally in this state of California. Will they go into the General Fund and just be used for whatever?”

Paulin responded, “No, they clearly can’t go into the General Fund, being a regulatory fee.”

Emerson interrupted, “Sir, sir, it’s not a regulatory fee. Individuals are paying. This is a tax. It’s a consumer tax that individuals are paying. It has nothing to do with regulatory. You may use it for regulatory, but it has nothing to do with a regulatory fee. Let’s be honest about that one.”

But the committee Democrats were persuaded by the pleas from timber company officials, some of whom said that they are in danger of going out of business if AB 1492 is not passed. One of those is Chuck Henderson, manager for Shasta Forest Timberlands, who said his family-owned company owns 140,000 acres of timberland in northeast California and has been in business since 1894. It is being sued by the federal government for $791 million in connection with the Moonlight fire, which burned 65,000 acres in the Plumas National Forest in 2007. If the federal government is successful in court, Henderson called it “a virtual economic death penalty.

“This law is critical to the survival of family-owned timberland companies such as ours as well as farmers, ranchers, ski areas and anyone else whose business abuts government property. This law sensibly seeks a balance between economic and environmental damages and the value of the land damaged. It recognizes the cost of negligence while also ensuring the risk of accidents is insurable. Last year our insurance doubled for half the coverage. And what’s more, we now have four layers of insurance where we used to have two. This is not sustainable. If we are no longer able to afford insurance, we will no longer be able to stay in business and no longer be able to stewards of our land and no longer able to deliver the economic and environmental benefits that we have provided to the community and to the citizens of California for over a century.”

Leno cited the pleas from Henderson and other timber harvesters as he called for the vote. AB 1492 received two-thirds support, 47-23, in the Assembly on March 22. No Republicans voted for it, but four abstained. The full Senate still is considering it.


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  1. Edward Steele, Chief Investigator
    Edward Steele, Chief Investigator 28 August, 2012, 09:53

    Lumber tax! When will it end!

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  2. Mike
    Mike 28 August, 2012, 10:17

    It’s California, the Democrats will tax as many wood products as they possibly can.

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  3. Rex the Wonder Dog!
    Rex the Wonder Dog! 28 August, 2012, 10:25

    That IS a tax….and leave it to the $200K comped GED gov employees to tax it.

    PS-Teddy, Ed said if you behave he will let you back on Calpensions (but not the sock puppets)!

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  4. us citizen
    us citizen 28 August, 2012, 10:58

    So they vote in a tax, that they dont believe in, because they think that is better than nothing. DUH………..that is what gets this state into a pile of shit. Did ANYONE of these goons say………DO OVER!

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  5. Bob
    Bob 28 August, 2012, 11:11

    And don’t ya love the taxes on taxes that Caulifornia (or is it Colliefornia…almost forgot how Ahnode sez it) charges?

    For example you pay sales tax on the CA redemption “fee” on containers (for things like soda, beer and some juices).

    These [email protected] DemoNRats will tax everything and anything…even taxes!

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  6. Ulysses Uhaul
    Ulysses Uhaul 28 August, 2012, 11:32

    Stop whining..

    Lots of you posters pay no income tax, and still wear bell bottom polyester pants with white belts to the Saturday night doings at your country club.

    If moves, moans or breathes it should be taxed!

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  7. Mike
    Mike 28 August, 2012, 11:43

    This is just more insanity on the part of our state government! I mean we are in the middle of the worst slump on record. I personally haven’t built a new home since 06. Before that I was very busy! We need to take Sacramento and turn it upside down, shake it out and start over with some kind of common sense! I’m really sad to witness what liberals and their policies have done to this once great state.

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  8. Edward Steele, Chief Investigator
    Edward Steele, Chief Investigator 28 August, 2012, 11:52

    U haul is once again correct!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    When we killed OBL
    When you call for fire rescue
    When we teach your bratty kids
    When you go to the county hospital
    Drive on roads
    Enjoy protection of many kinds

    You didn’t build that!

    Ya gotta pay to play.

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  9. Edward Steele, Chief Investigator
    Edward Steele, Chief Investigator 28 August, 2012, 11:52

    Oh man, that was fun!

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  10. jimmydeeoc
    jimmydeeoc 28 August, 2012, 12:27

    Funny how all that gets done in other states for far, far less, Eddy Steele..

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  11. Edward Steele, Chief Investigator
    Edward Steele, Chief Investigator 28 August, 2012, 13:24

    Jimmy— I agree with ya!

    Reply this comment
  12. Queeg
    Queeg 28 August, 2012, 13:28

    Penna and New Jersey are run down…roads etc. No cheaper just never get fixed!

    Calif sucks per CWD posters, as I sit on my cool to temperant patio at the beach and try to find empathy, particularily, with the Tremor bunker types in Adelanto sweating like pack mules!

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  13. doug
    doug 28 August, 2012, 13:44

    yeah, lets punch construction in the gut again.

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  14. Rex the Wonder Dog!
    Rex the Wonder Dog! 28 August, 2012, 15:59

    Edward Steele, Chief Investigator says:
    U haul is once again correct!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    When we killed OBL-WE???
    When you call for fire rescue-NEVER CALLED, CAN I GET A REFUND 😉
    When we teach your bratty kids- ALL KIDS ARE ANEGELKS, TEACHERS SHOULD DO IT FOR FREE.
    When you go to the county hospital- I GO TO MY HMO!
    Enjoy protection of many kinds- PROTETCION???? YOU MEAN GED COPS THAT SIT ON THEIR FANNIES 95% OF TEH TIME 😉
    You didn’t build that!- NEITHER DID YOU!
    Ya gotta pay to play- I DIDN’T PLAY, SO I DON’T HAVE TO PAY IT LOOKS LIKE 🙂


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  15. Dyspeptic
    Dyspeptic 28 August, 2012, 16:33

    Isn’t it clever how the tax happy Demonrat politicians bribed the timber companies with liability protection to get their support for this phony and illegal tax scam. Just more politics as usual for the sleezebag Democrats, whose legislative antics give sausage making a bad name. Meanwhile, the placid ungulates known as California voters continue to graze contentedly, swishing their tales and mooing with ignorant bovine satisfaction. But don’t you dare put a tax on this weeks episode of “Dancing With The Stars”.

    So Ed-Ted, U-U and Queegy, I know all of you smug, indolent tax consumers like higher taxes for self serving reasons but aren’t you even a teensy bit bothered by the fact that this is an attempt to levy an illegal tax? Do you tax consumers care about the rule of law at all or is it just about maintaining your own tax payer financed living standards and everything else be damned.

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    • FatKen
      FatKen 19 March, 2017, 16:16

      You have hit the nail on the head. The people who voted for Pelosi et. al. have the brains of a stegosaurus so might as well empty their wallets. Still we don’t know with any clarity what the lofty, grandiose intentions for the revenues will be. It always starts with some romantic idealism that the demos can jump up and down and slobber and drool about and stare wide eyed at each other (you know the look. It’s the one that Pelosi ALWAYS has). Later, of course they will raise the amount of the tax knowing that they are doing the right thing for you and me.

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    • TimB
      TimB 2 August, 2018, 10:30

      You are spot on. Buy off the timber companies to get support for a TAX on wood products. Time to cut off this “fee” loop hole these politicians love. But then again, we will never get this passed without using the referendum process which is also controlled by the politicians in control of our state.

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  16. Dyspeptic
    Dyspeptic 28 August, 2012, 16:42

    @Rex, 3:59pm,

    Inside the park home run on that one! Teddy and the sock puppets can’t field their position and throw like girls:-)

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  17. Ted Steele, Janitor
    Ted Steele, Janitor 28 August, 2012, 17:23


    Oh Yeah! I throw like a girl!!!

    Oh Yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  18. Rex the Wonder Dog!
    Rex the Wonder Dog! 28 August, 2012, 23:19

    Teddy-you sue do whine like a little girl 😉

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  19. Deb
    Deb 29 April, 2013, 17:07

    Ok, I have throw in my 2 sense. I purchased plastic lumber for a deck job. I noticed there was an extortion fee/tax for plastic. How are they defining wood????? IF YOU WANT TO LEARN SOMETHING TALK TO THE FOLKS IN MONTANA. THEY KNOW HOW TO KEEP THEIR ELECTED OFFICIALS IN LINE. I MEAN, THOSE FOLKS ARE KEEPING IT TOGETHER THERE !

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  20. MarcV
    MarcV 28 June, 2017, 18:49

    That poor family owns 140,000 acres of forest land and they need Californians to pay a tax to help them keep their wealth? I won’t even get into the providing California with economic benefits, and being “stewards?” Give me a break. They are in it for profit. And they can obviously afford lobbyists. Us General Contractors ought to lobby for relief from this fee and get us a tax going to help us turn a profit.

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  21. badass
    badass 10 August, 2017, 16:18

    fuck you brown and all you calif. liberals . i hope all libtards get cancer tonight

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  22. Mike
    Mike 31 August, 2017, 17:43

    I live in Oregon and own property in extreme N. Ca. that i bought to build on in ’05. Since then, Ca. has added soooo many fees and regulations that it’s not financially viable to build there anymore (unless you’re a pot grower). 5 acre mountain top for sale…

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